DROT

STREETER821 · Post by **STREETER821** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:34 pm

D.R.O.T, Disc Rests On Top, we heard today in North Carolina that the PDGA has changed this rule to count as in, NEFA, please confirm this....

Chuck Kennedy · Post by **Chuck Kennedy** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:48 pm

The Rules Committee may be talking about it but no rules are scheduled to change until Jan 1, 2011 at the earliest.

STREETER821 · Post by **STREETER821** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:05 pm

Thanks Chuck, I hope not! Any other sport that would be like that if the rule changed, i can't think of any, NEFA?

James Lane · Post by **James Lane** » Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:05 pm

Grr, no thanks.

Dave McHale · Post by **Dave McHale** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:59 am

yeah seriously, no thanks is right. what's their reasoning for even looking at this?

Mike Murphy · Post by **Mike Murphy** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:10 pm

whats the rule?

Chris Webb · Post by **Chris Webb** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:36 pm

If your disc lands on top of another person's disc, then you have to buy them a beer.

Mark Valis · Post by **Mark Valis** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:51 pm

Cheef wrote:whats the rule?

Really? Think about it for a bit .

Mike Murphy · Post by **Mike Murphy** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 2:55 pm

11%er wrote:
Cheef wrote:whats the rule?

Really? Think about it for a bit .

I get it now. I'm dumb.

Not as dumb as that rule would be though.

John DeBois · Post by **John DeBois** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:03 pm

The disc wedged in the side of the cage rule is kinda shady too.

Jeff Zipkin · Post by **Jeff Zipkin** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:41 pm

JDB wrote:The disc wedged in the side of the cage rule is kinda shady too.

agreed! i never understood why this was considered legitimate. if you hit the basket you missed the target. why should you be rewarded if your disc sticks?
that would be like in hoops getting the ball stuck between the rim and backboard...it's supported by the rim then it must be good. nonsense.

John DeBois · Post by **John DeBois** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:57 pm

Yeah, the only reason I can think of is for the case where you throw at a basket, blind, and walk up to it and find your disc wedged in the side. Since you don't know if it got stuck on the way in or the way out the benefit goes to you. I think the basket specifications should mandate maximum gap sizes for both the bottom and sides of the basket so that this never happens. Either that, or amend the rule to say that if the majority of the group watches it wedge from the outside, it does not count.

Mark Valis · Post by **Mark Valis** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:29 pm

jzip wrote:
JDB wrote:The disc wedged in the side of the cage rule is kinda shady too.

agreed! i never understood why this was considered legitimate. if you hit the basket you missed the target. why should you be rewarded if your disc sticks?
that would be like in hoops getting the ball stuck between the rim and backboard...it's supported by the rim then it must be good. nonsense.

Then what would you do if it hit the basket and forced it's way through? You still technically missed.

If they do change it I would like to see the tops opened so you could put floaters in over a bush.

Dave McHale · Post by **Dave McHale** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:31 pm

john, i agree that i dont like the wedgie rule but adding stipulations on "if you saw it or not" gets rules-wonky. we want the rules to be more cut-and-dry, not more "open to interpretation and specific example"

oh, and i thought there WERE minimum specs on how big the diagonals could be in the side of the basket? I'm too lazy to look it up though, but I thought that was in the requirements for being an approved basket.

Karl Molitoris · Post by **Karl Molitoris** » Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:21 pm

Dave,

You said:

we want the rules to be more cut-and-dry

You can't get much more "cut-and-dry" than "any disc supported by the xxxxx is considered holed out" (whether it's 'on top' or not, hanging by a nub, wedged in, wedged out, divine intervention, you name it).

The xxxxx is what ever you call the entire 'funny looking thing' that we call a target. Not just a part of it. Not if it came in on 'some angle'. Etc.

Yeh, I like "cut and dried" - something we don't have now (with our rules nor with our target).

How you design / make the xxxxx is up to you :wink:

!

Karl

STREETER821 · Post by **STREETER821** » Sat May 01, 2010 6:34 pm

At rest in the basket/chains is pretty cut a dry, anything else shouldn't count.

Joe Yaskis · Post by **Joe Yaskis** » Mon May 03, 2010 2:33 pm

I say the more ways I can get credited with a good putt, the better. I wanna hit the pole and have it count!

Alan MacLean · Post by **Alan MacLean** » Mon May 03, 2010 3:05 pm

I hope this rule isn't true. It will sway some players to go for a more arching lob style putt rather than run at it which I think is what a good putt should be.

Also something not considered (at least so far on this thread, I'm sure the PDGA will consider it) is that, if I'm correct, the basket was developed to replace the "hoop" style target to give players anywhere along the full 360 degree circle a fair chance at the basket. The design, ignoring the number of chains and location of the bars on the basket, is symmetric all the way around. However, some of those DGA Mach baskets have that circular and FLAT 6-8" # sign on top.

It already makes a difference now, but if two players are 90 degrees apart, and this rule is in effect, one player only may only have 1 way in (basket) and the other has two ways (basket, and hit sign and DROT).

No thanks!

Dave McHale · Post by **Dave McHale** » Mon May 03, 2010 3:31 pm

I think I've seen ONE drot in my time playing on discatchers, machs, and chainstars w/o a number plate where a really flukey shot went straight up and down off the top of a chainstar and plopped in the middle. one.

I've seen over half a dozen drots due to the plate being on top of the basket :evil:

Raymond W. Parrish · Post by **Raymond W. Parrish** » Mon May 03, 2010 3:38 pm

I DROTed on a Discatcher yesterday at Loriella Park.

Chris Bolton · Post by **Chris Bolton** » Mon May 03, 2010 4:11 pm

during one of my rounds at Mighty Gaw we had two DROT

it seemed to happen when a putt missed kinda high and hit one of wooden stakes they have in the basket with a flag to help you see where the basket is located on blind elevation shots.

if that wooden stake was not there the shot would have skipped off and then a come backer would have to be made or the putt could have rolled behind a tree something else

it seems that DROT seems to happen more when stuff is put on top of the basket

Mike Murphy · Post by **Mike Murphy** » Mon May 03, 2010 4:39 pm

I had a DROT at Newton Hill a few weeks ago, while putting uphill :shock:

One of the weirder shots I've had.

Jeff Wiechowski · Post by **Jeff Wiechowski** » Mon May 10, 2010 10:06 am

From the PDGA website today.........

All discs but the yellow one will complete the hole once the owner gets to the basket and removes it before it possibly falls down and out.

Complete story here: http://www.pdga.com/interference-rule

Matt DeAngelis · Post by **Matt DeAngelis** » Mon May 10, 2010 10:10 am

Tim Walsh had a disc land on top of the cage, then fell through! He said it has happened to him twice now!

Jeff Wiechowski · Post by **Jeff Wiechowski** » Mon May 10, 2010 10:12 am

Fu Man wrote:Tim Walsh had a disc land on top of the cage, then fell through! He said it has happened to him twice now!

I've seen that happen too............i can't remember which NE course it was that has baskets with openings in the top big enough for a disc to get thru.

Matt DeAngelis · Post by **Matt DeAngelis** » Mon May 10, 2010 10:15 am

Well, Kisco had some as I recall. This was at Tully on Saturday, Hole 18.

Eric Kevorkian · Post by **Eric Kevorkian** » Mon May 10, 2010 10:18 am

It's happened to me recently...Can't remember where it was though.

Jeff Wiechowski · Post by **Jeff Wiechowski** » Mon May 10, 2010 10:19 am

Fu Man wrote:Well, Kisco had some as I recall. This was at Tully on Saturday, Hole 18.

Innova has since fixed that issue........ at CPS, the new Discatchers don't have the same top.

Matt DeAngelis · Post by **Matt DeAngelis** » Mon May 10, 2010 10:56 am

Kovo wrote:It's happened to me recently...Can't remember where it was though.

Amesbury probably

Dave McHale · Post by **Dave McHale** » Mon May 10, 2010 11:01 am

CaptainAnhyzer wrote:From the PDGA website today.........

All discs but the yellow one will complete the hole once the owner gets to the basket and removes it before it possibly falls down and out.

Complete story here: http://www.pdga.com/interference-rule

Unless the group declares the disc "at rest", at which point it's a legal hole-out (as the article says but your quoted caption doesn't - just clarifying for people

)

And it's interesting the example demonstrates a DROT as hanging off the edge instead of a normal "disc is sitting on top of the basket" which is what most people refer to as a DROT. I can't say I've EVER seen someone hole out the way the yellow disc is hanging

Also....

If the thrower of the “wedgie” has not yet gotten the “at rest” call from the group or they are not yet willing to do so, the thrower must quickly get to the basket and remove the wedgie to make sure it doesn’t pop out so the hole out can be completed. If it does pop out before it’s deemed at rest, then the new lie for the disc is where it lands on the ground and that thrower will then have to putt out.

So this actually states that despite the group not willing to give you an "at rest" call, it COULD be holed out if the player gets there in time. The way this reads, I'm taking it that the player actually has priority to go retrieve their disc before anyone else throws, yes? Because otherwise I could see other players trying to call courtesy violations for a player INSISTING he clear his disc before other people threw, even if this was a "fairway ace" example.