2010-11 Team Challenge Rules/Guidelines

[Todd Lapham]

• Roster size of 16 players including a woman.

• Players must play in 3 challenges to qualify for finals.

• Changes in roster can be made for any reasonable reason (moving, injury, jail, quitting etc.) However the new player still has to play 3 challenges.

• Max 2 roster moves per season.

• Minimum number of players for a challenge is 8.

• Standard format is Match Play singles and Best Disc Stroke Play for doubles. Captains can agree to whatever they want, if they can’t agree this is the default.

• The 8 teams in this year’s finals will be the “A Pool” next year. Everyone else will be in the “B Pool.” Divisions for next year are based off finals results. One division with be 1st, 4th, 5th and 8th place. The other with be 2nd, 3rd, 6th and 7th place.

• Team dues are $200. Pay or make arrangements with me before first challenge. Payout breakdown will be posted.

• Team(s) in first place after regular season gets to pick finals location(s).

• Finals location can’t be anyone in the finals home course (even Wick).

• Captains will post or PM the challenge results in order to keep track of who has played. Scores aren't required just results.

[Todd Lapham]

Finals Info

• Top 2 teams in each division and 2 Wild Card teams make finals. Best record of teams remaining in A Pool determines Wild Card. Bottom 2 from A Pool get relegated to the B Pool and top 2 B Pool teams move up to the A Pool for finals and the next season.

• Places 1-4 get 14 players that play.
Places 5-8 get 12 players that play.

• Top 10 singles scores count. If a team has less than 10 the bottom scores will be counted twice. Ex. A team has 8 players, then 7th and 8th will count twice.

• Top 5 doubles scores count.

• Doubles scores will be double weighted.

• Consolation pool player numbers will be determined after we have all the teams. The same scoring format applies.

• Consolation pool gets money for food, drink and optional CTPs. ($900-finals fees)

• Finals payouts will be: Posted after we determine how many teams we have.

1st: $850
2nd: $650
3rd: $400
4th: $300
5th: $200
6th:$100 (Only if no fee has to be paid)

CTPS:

• Every team is responsible for bringing food and beverages to finals for themselves. This was determined by the majority preseason. We’ll have grills available.

[Mark Valis]

Finals Info

• Top 2 teams in each division and 2 Wild Card teams make finals. Best record of teams remaining in A Pool determines Wild Card. Bottom 2 from A Pool get relegated to the B Pool and top 2 B Pool teams move up to the A Pool for finals and the next season.

• Places 1-4 get 14 players that play.
Places 5-8 get 12 players that play.

• Top 10 singles scores count. If a team has less than 10 the bottom scores will be counted twice. Ex. A team has 8 players, then 7th and 8th will count twice.

• Top 5 doubles scores count.

• Doubles scores will be double weighted.



This part of the scoring sucks IMHO!
• Consolation pool player numbers will be determined after we have all the teams. The same scoring format applies.

• Consolation pool gets money for food, drink and optional CTPs.

• Finals payouts will be: Posted after we determine how many teams we have.

1st:
2nd:
3rd:
4th:

CTPS:

• Every team is responsible for bringing food and beverages to finals for themselves. This was determined by the majority preseason. We’ll have grills available.

[Sean Curcio]

I assume the previous post was to prevent any mid-season changes...

[Todd Lapham]

Nope, he doesn't like doubles scores being double weighted. He bolded it and wrote underneath. Once again, there were no mid season changes last year.

[Sean Curcio]

I know, just stirring the pot alittle.

This part of the scoring sucks IMHO!

...and I missed this part.

[Sean Curcio]

• Team dues are $200. Pay or make arrangements with me before first challenge. Payout breakdown will be posted.

any word on this?

What are you going to do, wait until you have ALL the money so no teams can drop when they find out what's going on.

[Mike Dussault]

Sean, it is posted in the first and second post. There is no hidden agenda, it is there for all to see now. Take it or leave it I guess.

[Sean Curcio]

Where is it posted, Mike? I looked and didn't see it. Is it posted somewhere that $133.33 from each of the B-pool teams $200 will go towards A-pool payout? Maybe this kind of information should be posted BEFORE teams pay thier dues so they know what they are gettting into. Or will it be just like last year, conform the rules as the season goes and then tell everyone that has a problem to go "F" themselves at the end? Sounds like a whoe lot of fun to me.

GET RID OF TEAM DUES AND PAYOUT AND JUST PLAY FOR FUN A BRAGGING RIGHTS! (if you can't figure out something that is fair to all.)

[Sean Curcio]

Here is a simple question:

WHY IS OVER HALF OF THE B-POOLS MONEY GOING TO THE A-POOLS PAYOUT?

JUST LOOKING FOR AN ANSWER FROM SOME WHO KNOWS?

[ekap]

I didn't realize B Pool was subsidizing A Pool prize money. Thanks! Now it makes sense why most of Buff bolted to A pool. I think we should play for bragging rights and have a big bash at the end.

[Mike Dussault]

Finals Info

• Top 2 teams in each division and 2 Wild Card teams make finals. Best record of teams remaining in A Pool determines Wild Card. Bottom 2 from A Pool get relegated to the B Pool and top 2 B Pool teams move up to the A Pool for finals and the next season.

• Places 1-4 get 14 players that play.
Places 5-8 get 12 players that play.

• Top 10 singles scores count. If a team has less than 10 the bottom scores will be counted twice. Ex. A team has 8 players, then 7th and 8th will count twice.

• Top 5 doubles scores count.

• Doubles scores will be double weighted.

• Consolation pool player numbers will be determined after we have all the teams. The same scoring format applies.

• Consolation pool gets money for food, drink and optional CTPs.

• Finals payouts will be: Posted after we determine how many teams we have.

1st:
2nd:
3rd:
4th:

CTPS:

• Every team is responsible for bringing food and beverages to finals for themselves. This was determined by the majority preseason. We’ll have grills available.

[Steven Dakai]

This was discussed and voted on by your team captains. Todd is not the same A hole that was running things before, he is a different A hole.
Seriously this was all decided more than a month ago. The time to make changes has come and gone.
Live with it or quit... Simple choices!

[Sean Curcio]

Here is a simple question:

WHY IS OVER HALF OF THE B-POOLS MONEY GOING TO THE A-POOLS PAYOUT?

JUST LOOKING FOR AN ANSWER FROM SOME WHO KNOWS?

No answers yet? Todd, no comment? If this was voted on then why is my captain surprised about this? Were any B-pool captains involved in the vote?

Thanks for the insight, Steve...

[Todd Lapham]

I don't know why your captain is surprised. Maybe he can't read. You guys have 3 people that have access to the captains on thread when every other team has 1. There is no reason why anyone on your team should be surprised by this. Maybe you should ask your:

Captain
Co Captain or
Team Manager

[Todd Lapham]

Oh and sorry it took me so long to respond...

[Steve Solbo]

This was discussed and voted on by your team captains. Todd is not the same A hole that was running things before, he is a different A hole.
Seriously this was all decided more than a month ago. The time to make changes has come and gone.
Live with it or quit... Simple choices!

We are all a different breed of Ahole.

[Paul Sullivan]

Again, I would like to ask the question and I'm just looking for an explanation or a reason....

Why does over 1/2 of the money collected from the B Pool teams go directly to the A Pool payouts?

Please don't tell me because it's in the rules, or because my captain voted on it. I'm just trying to figure out what my money is getting me in return.

I'm anxiously awaiting anybodys thoughts on this

[Steve Solbo]

Again, I would like to ask the question and I'm just looking for an explanation or a reason....

Why does over 1/2 of the money collected from the B Pool teams go directly to the A Pool payouts?

Please don't tell me because it's in the rules, or because my captain voted on it. I'm just trying to figure out what my money is getting me in return.

I'm anxiously awaiting anybodys thoughts on this

Same format as last year, like any tournament, the best players/teams reap the rewards. Top 3rd effectively get paid out. Trying to find out where your $12 goes? For people that end up in the B pool, $6 goes to the food/other stuff in the B Pool. The other $6 goes to subsidize the payout for the teams that simply put, finished top 3rd in what's an OPEN league.

I don't get what people don't understand about this. If you play in your division, whatever it may be, and you finish in the bottom 3rd, do you expect anything? Do you? That's what happens to the teams that remain in the B pool, they are fighting to get back up to that top third.

This is why I voted for NO money. Christ people it's $12 for a season! You know what Burgess did with our winnings? Contributed it towards dinner! Whoopdie do! You know everyone still had to throw in money! Yeah!

If you don't like it, get out! B/C a majority does!

Go create your own B pool for life! I am sure that sentiment is out there, then the winners of your pool will want in on A pool.. welp.. nope. too bad.

[Todd Lapham]

What do you get when you finish in the bottom half of you division in a tournament?

[Justin White]

It's only $2.50 per challenge to get your rounds recorded. Big deal. I know where my money is going, to the A Pool finals and the B Pool finals. I'll see you in the A Pool.

[Titan Bariloni]

I know where my money is going

CRACK......

Tick Tock almost time for your demise Whitey no Bulge

[Titan Bariloni]

What do you get when you finish in the bottom half of you division in a tournament?

an even crappier rating then I already have and sometimes 2 am bucks...

TY for your time Todd

I understand your thinking..I don't agree but I "get it"..we shall leave it at that..!

[M.P. Morse III]

ok i got a rules question....

you must have a woman on your roster.... but it is not required to have a woman play at every challenge???

[Steve Solbo]

ok i got a rules question....

you must have a woman on your roster.... but it is not required to have a woman play at every challenge???

correct.. you can still play your woman however.

[Shaun LaForce]

But she does have to qualify correct?

[Steve Solbo]

But she does have to qualify correct?

Yes. That is my understanding. I'll wait for Todd for clarification.

[M.P. Morse III]

so qualify as in play 3 challenges to qualify for finals????

so you Must have a woman playing at finals if/when your team makes it in???

[Steve Solbo]

so qualify as in play 3 challenges to qualify for finals????

so you Must have a woman playing at finals if/when your team makes it in???

Yup. Their your teammates, not lepers.

[M.P. Morse III]

so qualify as in play 3 challenges to qualify for finals????

so you Must have a woman playing at finals if/when your team makes it in???

Yup. Their your teammates, not lepers.

hahaaaa that COULD be read that way.....

im not wondering for our team.... we've got some pretty dedicated ladies....

but our first challenge our opponents may not.... just kinda sucks for her....

it just seems weird to have a madatory woman (and alternate) on the roster, and only have it matter for finals....