B-Pool Finals

[Matt DeAngelis]

If you are a captain for a team in the B-Pool Finals, please continue reading and post your thoughts. If not, please feel free to read and post some thoughts, but don't turn this into a [bleep] show thread. Thanks in advance.

Location:

Are you OK with it being at another team's home course (ie Maple Hill)? Do we need to put it to a vote?

Rules state that it can't be the home course of someone in finals.

# of players :

Should we limit the number of players. I think we have to limit the number of players in order to make this work. It's not like there will be a full time tourney staff there to run it for us to play. We need to run it ourselves and I have run an event with 105 people playing...it was crazy.

It was posted for finals to have the following:

1-4 can play up to 14 players.
5-8 can play up to 12 players.

We have an extra team in our finals, so that means 5-9. That gives us 116 players possible if all teams brought their maximum. I would be OK with dropping this down to 1-4 play 12 and 5-9 bring 10 to give us 98. That is a lot more managable from a setup/scoring/TD aspect. We would be playing in sixomes on an 18 hole layout, but could add a ghost hole or temp hole depending on where we are playing.

Money:

We will have $900 to work with for finals. Let's decide how to spend it. I asked Todd to mail me a check for the money. If you have an objection to that, let me know.

Thoughts on what to spend the money on:

* Location expenses (greens fees, porta potty, etc)
* Beer and Alt Bev (including water/ice)
* CTP's (either cash or purchase something with the money)
* Hot scores (Top 3 singles, Top 3 Doubles)

Food:

Coordinating that much food for everyone would be a nightmare and I want no part in that. I think it would be best for each team to work that out on their own. If that means each team fends for themselves, or a few captains agree to do a communal spread (nojomo) then so be it.

Anything else that I missed?

[Steve Solbo]

Thank you for taking the lead Meow, as Todd and I (Todd) get started on A pool stuff.

[Steven Dakai]

We could ask each team to have two designated people to act as td's (and not play)for the day. For food,beverage,scorecard,hole assignment stuff.

Paying the top anything would be unfair to the bottom teams. Keep it ctp's and bounties.

Lunch will be a nightmare,any way we do it.

Maple can pick the parking lot at Gillette for all I care. Just as long as it is central to all teams. No wick,no cape no maine.

Thanks for getting this together Matt.

[Shawn Mullen]

I'm fine with whatever majority decides......but I'd like to see it NOT on someone's home course. It's a rule and the rules are there for a reason. To be followed. It's maple's decision on what course....and as nice as maple is that shouldn't even be an option.

[Shawn Mullen]

My opionion of food.... byof. Use the cash for beverages / ctp prizes / Hot rounds.

[Dave Hickson]

We could ask each team to have two designated people to act as td's (and not play)for the day. For food,beverage,scorecard,hole assignment stuff.

Paying the top anything would be unfair to the bottom teams. Keep it ctp's and bounties.

Lunch will be a nightmare,any way we do it.

Maple can pick the parking lot at Gillette for all I care. Just as long as it is central to all teams. No wick,no cape no maine.

Thanks for getting this together Matt.

2nd

[Alan MacLean]

Speaking partly on behalf of the Dam Team, I know we northern MA folk would appreciate a "central" location as that minimizes the drive for us. I understand the basis for a rule that dictates a team not having finals at a home course but I'm not opposed to the finals being at MH. I mean, if you play NEFA Team Challenge, you've been to MH at least one... right It's not like NoHo is asking that we play their course which would probably be a first for many (no offense, just saying).

Because Barre wasn't used all year (was supposed to be a home course for us but we ended up being another Tully/FlatRock team due to flooding) I can throw that course out there as a "neutral course". Also besides the extra 45 min in driving I don't mind Wick at all just because either you A) love that course, B) are in for a real treat, or C) don't play disc golf.

Another thing about MH that could be to the advantage of finals, expanding on Meow's initial post, is that there are ways to accomodate 116 players at MH. With 5 somes, we technically need 24 holes. MH has so many layouts that we can play multiple layouts on the same hole. Think about it...

Hole 1 Red, then Hole 1b White-Blue
Castle Hole (10?) Red, then 10b White
Hole 11 Red, then a temp tee to 11b Blue basket
13 Blue and then 13b White...etc

Only need two more on that to make 24 holes. Got some additional walks. Maybe some waits at the tees, but overall flow is still there, and allows for everyone to play.

[Matt DeAngelis]

Fivesomes will take 10-15 minutes on avg to play each hole. That means that the avg round should take 3-4.5 hours on an 18 hole course vs 4-6 hrs to play a 24 hole course.

I really think we need to get rid of the idea of everyone playing and get real. Limit the number of players so we are at a reasonable amount (around 100) and it won't be a total cluster cluck to run.

[Steven Dakai]

I would like to hear from Shaun before we go much further. He is watching the thread so hopefully we will get some input soon. Otherwise this is a futile discussion.

[Matt DeAngelis]

I have to agree with Mullen in that the rule was there for a reason and it should be adheared to.

In order for a rule like that to be changed now, ALL teams would need to agree to the change.

Same thing goes for the # of players. Either we all agree to reduce it to make the day run smoother or it remains at the 116 that was set forth at the start of the season.

[Shaun LaForce]

Maple Hill is more than willing and very capable of hosting this event.

I do however understand the resistance.

If you want, we can put it to a vote. Keeping in mind that finals will be held here in the mecca regardless

Thanks Matt for grabbing the bull.

[Matt DeAngelis]

I really don't think that rule can be broken at this point. We can put it to a vote, but at least two teams will be opposed, and I think the only fair thing to do in that case is to play by the rule as it stands.

[Matt DeAngelis]

I would also like to mention that I think Maple Hill would be a great option...if Maple wasn't participating in the finals.

[Shawn Mullen]

I have to agree with Mullen in that the rule was there for a reason and it should be adheared to.

In order for a rule like that to be changed now, ALL teams would need to agree to the change.

Same thing goes for the # of players. Either we all agree to reduce it to make the day run smoother or it remains at the 116 that was set forth at the start of the season.

Yeah....we can't really play in 6 somes. Numbers prob need to go down a bit. I'd like everyone to play but I don't think it's possible.

I'm def. against changing the home course rule, we change that now and whatever team wins the choice in the future, will just pick home turf. We need to think about the future of this too, not just this season. Shaun, put it wherever your team wants that isn't Maple Hill (or another course you have used for a home match).

[Shaun LaForce]

OK so we will be going to Hyland Orchard & Brewery.

I've spoken with the course architect and he will be happy to have it there.

He can close the course for the day so we will have the course and the pavilion to ourselves.

He also said he can set up 4 additional holes to accommodate more players (agreed we should minimize).

[Steven Dakai]

We will help in anyway that we can before/during and after.

I have a scoreport...any more out there?

[Todd Lapham]

So it's officially Hylands?

[Matt DeAngelis]

I will have the score port as well. I volunteered to take on the responsibility of doing the hole assignments, but we need to figure out the numbers issue ASAP so I can get the list of who's playing and in what round.

[Shaun LaForce]

chits official

[Shaun LaForce]

22 holes. 5somes. 110 people.

I dont want to do more than 5somes for singles. I'd imagine not every team will be bringing the full amounts.

[Matt DeAngelis]

22 holes. 5somes. 110 people.

I dont want to do more than 5somes for singles. I'd imagine not every team will be bringing the full amounts.

Sounds logical to me, but 22 holes in fivesomes will take over 4 hours to play.

[Shaun LaForce]

Agreed. We can go smaller. I'm game for whatever.

[Steven Dakai]

I say 10 players per team per round.

[Shaun LaForce]

So 90 people, no extra holes?

I'd hate to have to sit that many. Can we shuffle players 2nd round?

[Matt DeAngelis]

That works for me too. Let me see if I can do a poll to get a vote on it.

[Steven Dakai]

ya, I plan on bringing 14 and using everyone eventually. We should still have the extra holes for the ladies maybe? That way they can do their own thing.

[Matt DeAngelis]

With the finals at Hyland, what will the beer situation be like? Can we purchase kegs from there to have on tap in the pavilion and what would that cost be?

Can we purchase beer tokens (like 16, one for each member on a team) and do that as a CTP?

[Matt DeAngelis]

ya, I plan on bringing 14 and using everyone eventually. We should still have the extra holes for the ladies maybe? That way they can do their own thing.

You can bring 16 to the finals, but only play the 10. I think the women should be considered part of your team and part of that 10. We should keep them together as much as possible for the social aspect though. My opinion, just to avoid adding holes and adding that extra 10-15 min to everyone's round.

[Steven Dakai]

Wow, good question...We will need to pull Don Boutin into this discussion for those answers.

That sounds fine with regard to the girls/ Extra holes will = extra time.

[Shaun LaForce]

Working on beer logistics.

Will all teams have a girl present? If not, we will have to impose some type of penalty if we are going to count their score. Maybe worst girl score counted against them or something.