Ape vs Nuke OS

Brad Harris · Post by **Brad Harris** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:54 am

It looks like two overstable speed 13 drivers will be hitting the market this spring. Innova is preparing to release the Ape in April while Discraft has put out a teaser for the Nuke OS.

So who will capture the sidearm market this year?

Based on the numbers, the Ape appears to be a faster XCaliber. I've heard nothing about the Nuke OS, but clearly, it is a more stable version of the Nuke. So it will likely settle into the flight chart pretty close to the Ape.

I'm anxious to get out into a field with both of these to compare them head-to-head. I think it's highly unlikely that both will end up in my bag, but only field work will decide which one (if any).

Matt Aubin · Post by **Matt Aubin** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:17 am

both of these discs scare the [bleep] out of me.

Shawn Mullen · Post by **Shawn Mullen** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:27 am

Matt Aubin wrote:both of these discs scare the [bleep] out of me.

Usable by 1% of the DG population......but 90% will think they are in the 1%.

Matt Aubin · Post by **Matt Aubin** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:37 am

ding ding ding!

I'd say less than 1% honestly. But, for them, very useful. They should come with warning labels!

Jaxon Sheehy · Post by **Jaxon Sheehy** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:08 pm

i think 1% is a bit skeptical. if you can throw a bomb, you can turn over a nuke, especially with wind. personally, i'm not a bomb-thrower, but i can name a few discraft throwers that tried the nuke and stuck with a surge for the stability- real people, not pros.

i feel like discraft still has to answer for innova's boss- a speed 13 disc that's been around a while. plus with lat64 putting out another speed 13, the market is getting a little flooded. i wonder how many top pro's carry the nuke?

Keith Burtt · Post by **Keith Burtt** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:33 am

i think just about all of the discraft pros throw them

Eric Kevorkian · Post by **Eric Kevorkian** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:02 am

Bard was throwing em all day during our dubs match.

Todd Lapham · Post by **Todd Lapham** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:07 am

The Nuke absolutely bombs.

Jaxon Sheehy · Post by **Jaxon Sheehy** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 6:08 pm

Keith Burtt wrote:i think just about all of the discraft pros throw them

oh- sort of surprised by that I'll admit. I guess I've viewed it as a bomb disc for mortals. maybe that's not accurate- I don't see it like the speed 13 innova stuff that's marketed to beginners, but it also doesnt surprise me that they'd add some stability to it-

Tom Fisher · Post by **Tom Fisher** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:59 pm

i throw a nuke. and love it. interested to see if the Nuke OS will break in a little slower. i go through esp nukes like nothin. i try and only keep them for open field bombs. but a broke in esp nuke is great for continues anhyzer bombs. a new nuke will work for elongated anhyzer bombs

now the fastest disc in my bag that is more then durable and very predicatable is: I think they called it HALO cuz it fell from heaven... CAUTION: SLIPPERY WHEN WET!!!

Mark Valis · Post by **Mark Valis** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:34 pm

West Side Discs has a Highspeed Driver that is called the King , a speed rating of 14!

Matt Aubin · Post by **Matt Aubin** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 6:53 pm

Mark Valis wrote:West Side Discs has a Highspeed Driver that is called the King , a speed rating of 14!

they can call it speed whatever, the rim is actually smaller than a nuke or boss. 2.3cm compared to 2.5cm.

Todd Lapham · Post by **Todd Lapham** » Wed Mar 30, 2011 7:08 pm

How do they fly?

Bobby Direnzo · Post by **Bobby Direnzo** » Thu Mar 31, 2011 3:54 pm

I love my nuke.

Shawn Mullen · Post by **Shawn Mullen** » Fri Apr 01, 2011 9:13 am

Bobby D wrote:I love my nuke.

Yep I like mine too.
This thread is about the new more overstable version

Karl Molitoris · Post by **Karl Molitoris** » Fri Apr 01, 2011 9:26 am

(Obviously) I don't have either of them - yet, but am moderately excited...as an "OS Nuke", to me, would be a Boss, no? And an Ape would be a glidier Force, maybe?

If the Ape ends up being nothing more than a very slightly longer Xcal (which, IMO, has very little glide) or like the PD-2 Chaos, I'll be disappointed...and it won't make it into my bag.

If the OS Nuke is REALLY OS, then it might supplant the Force.

We'll have to see

.

Karl

David Gipson · Post by **David Gipson** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 9:46 am

I read on PDGA that the Ape was flying like a Longer Teebird in testing. Flight numbers say a Fast Xcal. IMO the market dosen't need. PD2 Is a Xcal w/ a differnt name maybe bit more stable.

David Hoey · Post by **David Hoey** » Sat Apr 02, 2011 3:58 pm

gippy wrote:I read on PDGA that the Ape was flying like a Longer Teebird in testing. Flight numbers say a Fast Xcal. IMO the market dosen't need. PD2 Is a Xcal w/ a differnt name maybe bit more stable.

Their flight path shows a Teebird like flight... straight with a little fade. This is with 480ft of power.

Thought I've heard that super power players were flipping their Xcals...

I hate them all

So, there is a need for a truely overstable, speed 13 disc... but just mostly for their team. I'll bet the majority of players who throw this disc will not see a teebird like flight.

Brett Antosik · Post by **Brett Antosik** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:46 am

anyone been tossin a nuke OS yet? ive been having mixed feelings about the ape, and ive been thinkin about picking up an OS instead... any thoughts?

Brad Harris · Post by **Brad Harris** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 10:56 am

I've heard the Nuke OS is more overstable than the Ape. I have two of them waiting for me at home that I haven't had a chance to throw yet.

Josh Connor · Post by **Josh Connor** » Fri Jul 01, 2011 1:39 pm

I like to think I can throw pretty hard and will throw a max weight boss on a rope. I picked up a 171 OS last week and it made my bosss look like sidewinders. I spent the rest of the round purposely throwing it into trees and rocks to make it throwable.

However one application which works great is those funky situations where you have to throw an aggressive anhyzer flick and have it come back which helped me when I was in the middle of the pine trees on Maple 18 fairway to park it.

Havnt had a chance to test when ripping it into a head wind, but anticipate thats where this discs purpose will live. If there is a head wind at maple 1 today I can update. Long story short this disc isnt for the average back hander.

Jason Charpentier · Post by **Jason Charpentier** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 10:51 pm

I have had great success with a 170g ESP Nuke but since it's gotten slightly worn in it's been getting a little flippy on me. When I saw that they came out with the new Nuke OS I thought maybe that would solve the 'flippy' problem that I had been having with my regular Nuke. Since it is more OS than the regular Nuke I decided to get a lighter weight than I'd normally throw to see if I could try to increase the high speed turn a little bit knowing that it would be much more overstable. I got a First Run 176-179g Elite Z Nuke OS. I went to a field today to try it out and I was surprised how crazy overstable it is. More overstable than my 175g Echo Star Boss for sure. Not sure if it's gonna make my bag at all. I'll give it a second chance again on a windy day sometime but it may be too much disc for my arm. Might have to try a Surge or Avenger which are more stable than a regular Nuke but not as overstable as the Nuke OS.

Kyle Moriarty · Post by **Kyle Moriarty** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:13 pm

Jason Charp wrote:I have had great success with a 170g ESP Nuke but since it's gotten slightly worn in it's been getting a little flippy on me. When I saw that they came out with the new Nuke OS I thought maybe that would solve the 'flippy' problem that I had been having with my regular Nuke. Since it is more OS than the regular Nuke I decided to get a lighter weight than I'd normally throw to see if I could try to increase the high speed turn a little bit knowing that it would be much more overstable. I got a First Run 176-179g Elite Z Nuke OS. I went to a field today to try it out and I was surprised how crazy overstable it is. More overstable than my 175g Echo Star Boss for sure. Not sure if it's gonna make my bag at all. I'll give it a second chance again on a windy day sometime but it may be too much disc for my arm. Might have to try a Surge or Avenger which are more stable than a regular Nuke but not as overstable as the Nuke OS.

Just get a Z Nuke, it holds the brand new stability for a long time.

Jason Charpentier · Post by **Jason Charpentier** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:37 pm

Thanks Kyle. I was wondering if that would be the case.

Kyle Moriarty · Post by **Kyle Moriarty** » Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:50 pm

I had the same issue with the ESP Nuke, just went flippy. I've been throwing the same Z Nuke for about a year now and its still flies like it did the first week. Of course I try not to throw the Nuke in holes where there are tons of trees.

Mark Valis · Post by **Mark Valis** » Thu Jul 14, 2011 4:40 pm

Jason Charp wrote:I have had great success with a 170g ESP Nuke but since it's gotten slightly worn in it's been getting a little flippy on me. When I saw that they came out with the new Nuke OS I thought maybe that would solve the 'flippy' problem that I had been having with my regular Nuke. Since it is more OS than the regular Nuke I decided to get a lighter weight than I'd normally throw to see if I could try to increase the high speed turn a little bit knowing that it would be much more overstable. I got a First Run 176-179g Elite Z Nuke OS. I went to a field today to try it out and I was surprised how crazy overstable it is. More overstable than my 175g Echo Star Boss for sure. Not sure if it's gonna make my bag at all. I'll give it a second chance again on a windy day sometime but it may be too much disc for my arm. Might have to try a Surge or Avenger which are more stable than a regular Nuke but not as overstable as the Nuke OS.

This is suppose to be lighter ? That's about as MAX weight as it gets !

Karl Molitoris · Post by **Karl Molitoris** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:38 am

OK,

Finished extensive field testing on the Ape vs. Nuke OS.

Two different discs.

Ape is much glidier / longer (by at least 40 - 50 feet for me) than the Nuke OS. Boss-like distance with a hard fade at the end.
Nuke OS is much, much more over stable. Flick-like over stableness but only Predator distance. And much longer when thrown overhand than the Ape.

Maybe a beat-to-crap Nuke OS might become an Ape...but I doubt it. There just seems to be soooooooo much underwing on the Nuke OS (which severly helps to make it over stable) that I doubt it would ever be a BIG glider. Hope I'm wrong (will tell you about 1,000 ground / tree hits from now :shock:

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Karl

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