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[Titan Bariloni]

wow..just wow...we make 2x events be open to 90..yet finals is only 72

I guess it makes for a competitive series...rather the open to anyone..just think that when trying to attract sponsors and members this is a really huge mistake

THIS CAN STILL BE FIXED...!

just wow...never am amazed when it comes to nefa mess ups

[Titan Bariloni]

another long year ended with some BS

I went from playing 30 plus events to playing 6....I wonder why..? cuz nefa is crap when making choices in regards to Finals

makes ya not even wanna play

[Titan Bariloni]

Rob,

why invite 15 am2's and 14 MPO's

I know they had more qualified..I thought the call was made last year that the series should start with inviting the most in Open regardless of numbers???? why the change this year?

keep inviting more in lower am levels....people never move up..in turn undermines competitive DG

[Titan Bariloni]

would be nice if nefa would contact TD when they know who it is gonna be and find out some logistics prior to the last week

and make some announcements such as field size...so players can determine if they need to play more events

not just saying last second oh..ok 180 anyone is welcome...or 72 so not many are invited

lets not brush this off on the TD...this is a NEFA issue..and Nefa can tell the TD how it is IMO...! and SHOULD..

yeah quad post..tis nefa finals..time of the year to be pissssed off and disgusted yet again..

TY again to VT for a great Finals last year..ME and NH sux

[Justin White]

look what i started. sorry

[Jeff Wiechowski]

Rob,

why invite 15 am2's and 14 MPO's

I know they had more qualified..I thought the call was made last year that the series should start with inviting the most in Open regardless of numbers???? why the change this year?

keep inviting more in lower am levels....people never move up..in turn undermines competitive DG

Simple numbers Titan.

Total number of players qualified is 129. Total in the finals is 72. So 72/129 = 0.558

The number of players qualified in each division is multiplied by 0.558 to get the number invited to the finals. For example, in Pro Open there are 25 players qualified. 25 x 0.558 = 14

The invites will need to be adjusted as some divisions won't fill and other divisions will then be able to grow in order to get a total of 72.

[Jeff Wiechowski]

And last year 11 MPO players declined the invite, you're not shut out yet.

[Andrew McManus]

Please don't encourage...I was going to comment on the ME/NH remark but bit my tongue...bottom line its up to the TD as to the final # of players..that's all.

[Sandy Redd]

would be nice if nefa would contact TD when they know who it is gonna be and find out some logistics prior to the last week

and make some announcements such as field size...so players can determine if they need to play more events

not just saying last second oh..ok 180 anyone is welcome...or 72 so not many are invited

lets not brush this off on the TD...this is a NEFA issue..and Nefa can tell the TD how it is IMO...! and SHOULD..

yeah quad post..tis nefa finals..time of the year to be pissssed off and disgusted yet again..

TY again to VT for a great Finals last year..ME and NH sux

OK titan
Do you not think we tried to get 90 plAYERS, because we tried. But the simple fact is that the days are getting shorter, so we might have maybe till 5 to 530 to play and with 90 players it wouldnt get done. And u dont want to end finals in the dark.
So cut us some slack.

[Rob Tatro]

Titan, you're such a tool and you can shove it for all that I care. There, yes, I said it and I hope I see you soon that I can say it to your face.

What Sandy, Jeff, and Andrew said. We tried to encourage to 90 but ultimately it comes down to the TD and it's their choice. As for the number of invites it all comes down to math and a simple formula to make it easy and inarguable although I know you don't understand such concepts so I'll stop before I get you too confused

[Titan Bariloni]

ok..so lets argue 72 sux in one breathe..then say well do ya wanna finish in the dark in another...I know it was not from the same set of lungs..just speaking to the BOD in generaL

I AGREE 5somes stink....just think an announcement should be made as to field size prior to after the season is over...IDC if its 22 people..just think it should be stated

not this wait to wonder..I fully understand field sizes for divisions can't be made out...the number to the overall field could be announced though

in my 3 and half years playing the series

first year CRAN..seemed awesome
2nd year ME open to ALL or 180
3rd year open to 90 did not fill
4th year open to 72...players will prob be shut out

seems some kinda system should be worked out instead of this play and wait and wonder crap

JW I don't care about "simple" numbers...last year we all agreed the numbers are not all that mattered...MPO should invite the MOST..! and your numbers are off cuz MPO plays 6 events rather then 5...so some more weight should be added to that divisions..simply cuz its NEFA highest divisions..!

don't care if I get in or not..the "simple" fact is its BS again..!

[Titan Bariloni]

rob your funny....and the nefa BOD is a joke..always will be when eastern MA tools are running IT..!

you are full of contradictions as always..!

[Titan Bariloni]

td freedom....keep preaching it..! or maybe nefa could step up and say NO GO

wake UP nefa is a JOKE..I can't wait till someone who actually gives a fuuuuuck steps up and takes this series in a better direction....

sponsorship from the backs of the members....great idea..take even more from the players who form the series...

I don't really care what ya think Mr President..you sir are a laughable JOKE

[Jeff Wiechowski]

don't care if I get in or not..the "simple" fact is its BS again..!

So which is it?

Yea, we didn't ask the one question "how many players will be invited", probably assuming that 90 would be the answer. But it's too late to fix this year, at this point............ and if you say " i told you so", THAT doesn't help out either.
Yea we didn't include that in the Charter this year. But we did overhaul the Charter to include some of what needed to be included or revised. And the BoD has said that Finals invite numbers WILL be addressed in the next revision.

We get thru an entire season of great tournaments and then one little glitch and you're up on the highest mountain, announcing it for all to hear. You were included in this process last year, you KNOW the logjam of stuff that it takes to get the Finals up and running. Things get missed, people point them out and we do the best we can to fix it.

Again, your "delivery" needs work........... And cheap shots at Rob are just wrong after what he's been thru for NEFA this year.

Grow the F up.

[Andrew McManus]

Start saving your pennies Titan...maybe someday when you're all grown up you can buy a plot of land and start a dg course where you can have full say over how many players it can accomodate...until then, shut yer freakin cake hole.

While there are certainly admirable qualities to your perseverence and fortitude and some of your ideas do have merit, the way you relay them to the masses just plain sucks and contrary to what you seem to believe wholeheartedly, most people view your posts as nothing more than rabble rousing BS! So really, from the heart, piss off already!

[Titan Bariloni]

cheap shots....pfffff.....reread the thread buddy

the gloves are off now that we know how people really feel.....

and one lil glitch.....the frigging field size is kinda important....things like this will keep happening when ya change BOD duties every year cuz people don't like someone for personal reasons...I kept em sealed all year for the most part...let countless issues just slide on by...chalked it up to the "legal" issues..well hey when ya have people that wanna help and ya shut em out cuz ya think the person is a "tool" then hey your gonna get some slack when shart messes up..

so as much as everyone want to be on the "hate titan wagon" or the I hatre nefa cuz of titan wagon...and yes I have heard it..from more then a few...it is time for all those jokes to hear this...my first year I played over 30 events...2 years later 6....the reasons not from money or time..I am disgusted with nefas internal operations...so how many else are? I predict many....and we wonder why membership is weak...all from my post that is why..lets blame it all on that

I don't need to shout it from the mountains..its OBV in the lack of membership...

[Titan Bariloni]

oh and for delivery

sux my disc..!

[Kyle Stevens]

Start saving your pennies Titan...maybe someday when you're all grown up you can buy a plot of land and start a dg course where you can have full say over how many players it can accomodate...until then, shut yer freakin cake hole.

While there are certainly admirable qualities to your perseverence and fortitude and some of your ideas do have merit, the way you relay them to the masses just plain sucks and contrary to what you seem to believe wholeheartedly, most people view your posts as nothing more than rabble rousing BS! So really, from the heart, piss off already!

Yeah!! Right on!! No criticism allowed here! After all...they are volunteers!

It wouldnt matter if Titan made his observations in the most eloquent, non-confrontational manner possible..it was gonna get $hit on either way.

[Andrew McManus]

cheap shots....pfffff.....reread the thread buddy..

So calling Rob a "joke" is constructive criticism then?...guess I had you pegged all wrong..my bad.

Wake up and realize that the more venom you spew, the more you get back in return No one panders or kowtows to someone who time and time again refuses to listen to sound reasoning and/or explanations, much less someone who refuses to engage in meaningful communication while at the same time kicks, wails and screams like a child in the process.

[Titan Bariloni]

question...Andrew?

how many people would be going to play OCT 22nd at BH if NEFA Finals was not there? this is not about owning a course..its about the frigging Point series

Blaze I love the course..and I knopw ya do hard work there..this is not about you in anyway and I will tell ya that when I see you...!

This is about NEfa not taking a stance for the players and members who worked hard this year...and for not announcing this detail till after the season...someone from the BOD shoulda had this pre worked out..so your backdoor BOD style blows up now...

The point and simply the point is these details should be released to members prior to the end of season..! simply that...a simple "we messed up" woulda been fine...not this "blame the TD" crap..! or talk to the TD....or we have no control...!

Let me find my copy of charter revisions from last year...pretty sure I had revised charter to have finals reflect 90 person field...but then it was taken and revised again..and then i think it was done again...so not sure what happened to it

so from the heart I AM FED UP WITH BOGUS EXCUSES from and ORG that represents the sport I so deeply LOVE

and trust this I have no problems telling people what I think..on the forum or in person...if anyone wants to discuss a post..I am more then willing to do so..!

[Andrew McManus]

It wouldnt matter if Titan made his observations in the most eloquent, non-confrontational manner possible

Actually, yeah it would, but it's perfectly ok to crap on the volunteers over and over again in the same confrontational manner...yeah, no issue there.

Kyle, if you honestly believe that Titan's approach is the best way to get things done, then I guess there's really nothing more to say, to each their own.

[Andrew McManus]

question...Andrew?

how many people would be going to play OCT 22nd at BH if NEFA Finals was not there? this is not about owning a course..its about the frigging Point series

However many Blaze and Lisa see fit as it is their course...and based on the time of year, that number has been set by Blaze, so why don't you ask Blaze that question?

[Titan Bariloni]

cheap shots....pfffff.....reread the thread buddy..

So calling Rob a "joke" is constructive criticism then?...guess I had you pegged all wrong..my bad.

Wake up and realize that the more venom you spew, the more you get back in return No one panders or kowtows to someone who time and time again refuses to listen to sound reasoning and/or explanations, much less someone who refuses to engage in meaningful communication while at the same time kicks, wails and screams like a child in the process.

really do I need to copy paste post...I made no cheap shots at anyone..my issues where presented at the BOD of Nefa as a whole

I was called a "tool" and put on blast....

so basically a member voiced his opinion(about a mistake IMO) and then the VP and Pres put him on blast by name calling....and trust me IDC I have been called worst by my mother....that is not even an issue with me...yet all you tact pphags blast me still and don't mention that fact..then blast my counter...it really is funny watching you idiots in action...and my intelligence is questioned....when i sit here and laugh at you toooools that are so predictable I could type what you post before you do....jokes..!

so give me crap for fueling the fire...l o l...where is the tact police on your fearless Pres..?

BOD shoulda just mannnnnnnnnnned up said we messed up..DONE DEALY....instead push the blame off from their inability to collect the facts prior to NEFA's Final shindiggy(the one that is suppose to be the biggest and best) and put it on the back of the TD

nuff said carry on with your yingling event

[Titan Bariloni]

volunteers...I volunteer more time in one day then most do in a lifetime..so don't come at me with that wacked crap

esp when people ask to help out and get shunned no matter the tact used..!

If I volunteer to build a house for you...and then ya move in and it falls down....then ya gotta pay someone to come fix it and it cost more then if ya just paid in the first place.....ya get the frigging point

edit..just cuz I am sick of your BS andrew....and for those that think I sit here and post for fun and to stir the pot.....all DAY...not true...where was I this morning..oh yeah volunteering work on a DG course....wow shocker huh Stir my ballz [bleep]

[Jeff Wiechowski]

This is about NEfa not taking a stance for the players and members who worked hard this year...and for not announcing this detail till after the season...someone from the BOD shoulda had this pre worked out..so your backdoor BOD style blows up now...

So you think that we're PURPOSLY hiding this from the members??? There's the joke.

[color=#FF0000]The point and simply the point is these details should be released to members prior to the end of season..! simply that...a simple "we messed up" woulda been fine...not this "blame the TD" crap..! or talk to the TD....or we have no control....!

Go back and read MY post, I did say we messed up. http://forums.nefa.com/viewtopic.php?p=248126#p248126

[Jeff Wiechowski]

There is no best way to get stuff done Andrew! Thats my point man! It doesnt matter if you yell and scream, whisper, quietly contemplate..it just doesnt matter. The guys that run this, not all of them mind you, but a good share of them..sit on their hands. There are volunteers for the org really doing the work and following through. But the dudes in charge....need to make way for someone willing to do the work. The old guard gets all up in arms anytime a mention is made by a member of something that needs to be fixed. take your medicine and deal with it..thats the message over and over. Its utterly ridiculous.

Hows getting that year old, brand new, NEFA logo up on the front page coming? Andrew, you appear to be a resonably intelligent dude with a good share of motivation. Do you think that finals, the points series, issue after issue, were handled to the best of this orgs. ability?

Which one of "those guys" are you speaking of, Kyle?

The new logo was never intended to replace the original one. Find a post that says different(aside from Titan's, he took the idea and ran with it on his own). There's a legal issue involving the original that requires a couple details to be included in the logo(which were not). The not-for-profit thing is very specific when it comes to the name of an organization and it's logos, symbols, etc.

[Kyle Stevens]

Jeff, make no doubt about it. I definitely include you in those guys that put in serious work.

[Jeff Wiechowski]

Jeff, make no doubt about it. I definitely include you in those guys that put in serious work.

I know. But if your gonna point fingers in an abitrary direction, no one is really sure who you're speaking of.

[Titan Bariloni]

the basic breakdown..is not in the actual people on the BOD all have great qualities and skilllllz

the problem is communication between them...then to the membership

simple as that..has been an issue and will continue to be an issue until egos and BS is put aside

Nefa needs to get back to the mission statement and further evolve the pointseries in a pumped up muscle car that makes the alarms sound kinda of way..not this segway speed and that means use any and all resources to do so...if ya don't have the time to go full throttle then don't step up..let someone else who has the strong desire and time do so

I digress...same BS kinda gets olds..so I guess both sides of the fence feel the same way

[Kyle Stevens]

I dunno dude, Ive already laid it out pretty clear elsewhere. But for the record, I think Rob Tatro is as bad as Steve Solbo was as president..worse in some cases...cause I know a few who were really betting on him to make a big difference. I understand bad stuff happened..all that jazz. I saw him at one tourney this year. Would have expected to see him schmoozing with potential members, but I did not see anything like that happen. It was absentee volunteerism all year. Ill probably get blasted for that..but its genuinely how I feel.

Dano...I dont even know what he did for the series this year. Put on a great tourney at Amesbury though. It ticks me off that he doesnt read the forums..even the "points series issues" and he requires direct contact OUTSIDE of NEFA. Its not what you would expect from the points series chair.

I dont even want to get started on DM.