A Pool Finals

[Whit Cooper]

Time for Todd to make a commissioner call.

[Matt Buono]

Or go with a vote from the 3 teams . Majority rule... Or have a third party decide

[Matt DeAngelis]

Or go with a vote from the 3 teams . Majority rule... Or have a third party decide

Seriously. There are three teams. Put it to a vote the manner in which to have the playoff, majority rule. Why make it so complicated. Each team puts up their best doubles team and plays a dubs match. Sudden death after 9 holes.

[Matt Buono]

Or go with a vote from the 3 teams . Majority rule... Or have a third party decide

Seriously. There are three teams. Put it to a vote the manner in which to have the playoff, majority rule. Why make it so complicated. Each team puts up their best doubles team and plays a dubs match. Sudden death after 9 holes.

Totally agree. Just trying to be diplomatic and transparent.. I want all to feel like they have equal chance. But you can't make everybody happy. I am sure Todd has enough on his plate then to have to be a judge in this circus.

[Sandy Redd]

Or go with a vote from the 3 teams . Majority rule... Or have a third party decide

I can decide.
I am the president for god sakes

[John Dickison]

Hey, I don't want to make a big deal of this. I think we have agreement on 2 dubz teams each. I suppose we'll need to play in 6-somes (which will be slow when time is critical). 1 group off the front and 1 group off the back makes sense. 745am start.

If the idea is to put your best/strongest players forward, then NASA would want to include a woman. To do that implies a gender requirement since women and men are not equals in this sport. Don't tell me I can choose to play a woman against a guy -- that makes no sense, and I'm really not looking to shoot myself in the foot. Thanks.

Anticipating your response, I suggested coed dubz, which minimizes impact. I did not propose female singles, although would certainly accept that offer. In 6 holes, it is likely female players contributions will be very limited. I don't believe it is a BIG advantage.

Both Cran and CL are relatively top heavy compared to NASA, meaning you have some of the best players in the league on paper (rating). Anything can happen on a give day, but i consider us the underdog in this type of playoff format. NASA does well more based on team depth, but I can't think of a good way to have playoffs be more representative of a broader team.

I am requesting the opportunity to involve one of my teams strengths in a league that is a coed league. I would like to see women involved.

[Sean Healy]

Hey, I don't want to make a big deal of this. I think we have agreement on 2 dubz teams each. I suppose we'll need to play in 6-somes (which will be slow when time is critical). 1 group off the front and 1 group off the back makes sense. 745am start.

If the idea is to put your best/strongest players forward, then NASA would want to include a woman. To do that implies a gender requirement since women and men are not equals in this sport. Don't tell me I can choose to play a woman against a guy -- that makes no sense, and I'm really not looking to shoot myself in the foot. Thanks.

Anticipating your response, I suggested coed dubz, which minimizes impact. I did not propose female singles, although would certainly accept that offer. In 6 holes, it is likely female players contributions will be very limited. I don't believe it is a BIG advantage.

Both Cran and CL are relatively top heavy compared to NASA, meaning you have some of the best players in the league on paper (rating). Anything can happen on a give day, but i consider us the underdog in this type of playoff format. NASA does well more based on team depth, but I can't think of a good way to have playoffs be more representative of a broader team.

I am requesting the opportunity to involve one of my teams strengths in a league that is a coed league. I would like to see women involved.

Completely disagree your assertion that Cran and CL are relatively top heavy compared to the rest of the league. Top 2 of every team have roughly the same ratings.........

This is obviously just a ploy to give your team the best shot at winning, you're not making it fair for everyone. I could easily go along with your plan based on Moe's strength, but it's not right.

[Joseph Mason Proud, III]

..........tick-tock...........

[Matt Buono]

Hey, I don't want to make a big deal of this. I think we have agreement on 2 dubz teams each. I suppose we'll need to play in 6-somes (which will be slow when time is critical). 1 group off the front and 1 group off the back makes sense. 745am start.

If the idea is to put your best/strongest players forward, then NASA would want to include a woman. To do that implies a gender requirement since women and men are not equals in this sport. Don't tell me I can choose to play a woman against a guy -- that makes no sense, and I'm really not looking to shoot myself in the foot. Thanks.

Anticipating your response, I suggested coed dubz, which minimizes impact. I did not propose female singles, although would certainly accept that offer. In 6 holes, it is likely female players contributions will be very limited. I don't believe it is a BIG advantage.

Both Cran and CL are relatively top heavy compared to NASA, meaning you have some of the best players in the league on paper (rating). Anything can happen on a give day, but i consider us the underdog in this type of playoff format. NASA does well more based on team depth, but I can't think of a good way to have playoffs be more representative of a broader team.

I am requesting the opportunity to involve one of my teams strengths in a league that is a coed league. I would like to see women involved.

So what your saying is you would like to balance the playing field correct? If this is true then we use the Pdga ratings and pick groups based on rating. Go ahead put your first group up. We can look at the ratings of those players and put up similar rated players. I'll go second Sean last. Then reverse order Sean me JD. Compromise I think. More work o yes. you won't budge off co-Ed and I wont cave in to it. This I believe is all we are left with.

[Sean Healy]

Both Cran and CL are relatively top heavy compared to NASA, meaning you have some of the best players in the league on paper (rating).

You're being a joker, JD.

Jim Wills isn't current but his last rating was 989, Marcus is 963 now but usually overs around 975, Jerel is 971, and Drew Smith's last rating was 963.

Scott Howard - 982
John DeBois - 980
Charlie Holmgren - 973
Sean Healy - 958

Stop the nonsense already.

[Joseph Mason Proud, III]

....................really............................?

[Matt Buono]

JD?

[Joseph Mason Proud, III]

nice

24 hours away

well done

[Steve Solbo]

Hate to say it, but the women are only 3% of the league, therefore, to include them as 50% or even 25% of a tiebreaker to decide the final 4 is not fair, especially when NASA easily holds the trump card, with Marielle.

That's a stretch JD.

I also agree with Healy and Dome, NASA is not as lacking at the top as you think they are, any combo of Jerel, Wills, Marcus, Ouellet and Mike Andrews whose been playing out of his mind lately could easily beat a team from Cranbury or Capt Larry.

It's gonna be damn close.

Sixsomes are out of the question, unless the playoffs are limited to six holes.

[Sean Healy]

Hate to say it, but the women are only 3% of the league, therefore, to include them as 50% or even 25% of a tiebreaker to decide the final 4 is not fair, especially when NASA easily holds the trump card, with Marielle.

That's a stretch JD.

I also agree with Healy and Dome, NASA is not as lacking at the top as you think they are, any combo of Jerel, Wills, Marcus, Ouellet and Mike Andrews whose been playing out of his mind lately could easily beat a team from Cranbury or Capt Larry.

It's gonna be damn close.

Sixsomes are out of the question, unless the playoffs are limited to six holes.

Solbo's best post ever

[Matt Buono]

I am headed to hylands soon see u there....

[John Dickison]

OK -- back home / ready to put this to rest -- most of which is already in place.

First, I would like to make a few points:

1) Any playoff format that is not full team / match play (the game we play all season long) will favor one team or another. The current plan for 2 dubz teams / stroke play clearly benefits the teams with the top individual players. I believe Cran has 2 or more 1000+ rated players. Advantage Cran.

2) This a coed league and our women is one of the reasons NASA is even in the playoffs, yet we're not able to bring that relative strength to bear in Playoff scenario. Disadvantage NASA. I'm not looking for a "big big big advantage", just the ability to bring one of my team's strengths to the table. Note that I have been a big advocate of including women in this league even before we acquired Marielle.

3) We had the same tie breaker scenario last year and made a ranking determination based on results (no playoff). Precedence was established yet this year a different decision was made -- to have a playoff. Both year's decisions to NASA's detriment. Teams that were happy to accept the tie breaker last year somehow firmly believe it is unfair this year? How convenient.

4) The fact that this year's tie breaker would determine who goes to top versus bottom playoffs is totally irrelevant. The game being played is always independent of the stakes. This is like going to a casino where the rules at the high-stakes blackjack table are somehow different than the $5 table.

5) No additional tie breakers (or playoff provisions) were put in place despite the same scenario occurring last year -- a big fail for all the captains and the commissioner involved, myself included.

Personally, I'm just as happy going to Charlton and would rather not deal with this headache. I've got plenty of headaches in my life right now. I even suggested to my team we just head to Charlton, but they all want to play this out, so I'm representing my team's opinions / desires as best I can.

OK, got that out. Now go ahead and tell me (again) that I'm being unreasonable, ridiculous, or somehow less than manly.

NASA agrees to a 2 dubz team playoff. 7:45am start. 6 holes, then sudden death. Total score.

[John Dickison]

Additional items:

* If total score, then match-ups don't matter and we can play 4-somes? We need to get this done as quickly as possible.

* If there is a tie after 6 holes (for worst score), then we go to sudden death -- I assume with only the teams tied for worst score.

* If extra holes, do both dubz groups play for a team, or just one?

* Other considerations? Any time cap? If so, what then?

[Joseph Mason Proud, III]

Thanks for relenting JD

Actually, I think we need to decide all positions as that affects who plays who in the semifinal round.

So, please play it to determine third, fourth, and fishers................

[Matt Buono]

So no ties play it out. Agree?

[John Dickison]

...need to decide all positions as that affects who plays who in the semifinal round...

Good point, Lick -- seems pretty straight forward, but...

As soon as worst score determined, that team goes fishing. If, at the time worst is determined, the two other teams are tied, they would continue to playoff for 3rd and 4th. If two teams are tied for worst score at the end of 6 holes, the team ahead at that point gets 3rd. Continue playoff (2 teams only) to determine 4th and 5th.

Two groups or one group during playoffs? Single group might make it quicker and preventing needing to go back and forth between groups to determine total (2 group) score.

[John Dickison]

So no ties play it out. Agree?

Agree. If Commish wants to establish a time cap (and subsequent tie breaker), then that's up to him.

[Sean Healy]

Additional items:

* If total score, then match-ups don't matter and we can play 4-somes? We need to get this done as quickly as possible.

* If there is a tie after 6 holes (for worst score), then we go to sudden death -- I assume with only the teams tied for worst score.

* If extra holes, do both dubz groups play for a team, or just one?

* Other considerations? Any time cap? If so, what then?

I think it should still be 6somes one on front one on back so we know where both other teams are at.

Captains pick for sudden death, 1 dubs pairing from each team?

[Joseph Mason Proud, III]

good luck to all - hope it goes smoothly