Ideas Please !

[Dave Jackson]

Here is an idea:
Raise the NEFA dues price and make it worth the price hike.

Or not.

[Titan Bariloni]

http://www.nefa.com/Events/default.asp

could a link to tourney central be put here^%^
I know they could click on the forum but they(onlookers) may fear signing up blah blah that goes with a forum..some events don't make the calendar and onlookers may click the link as it is not labeled "forum"

[Josh Connell]

http://www.nefa.com/Events/default.asp

could a link to tourney central be put here^%^
I know they could click on the forum but they(onlookers) may fear signing up blah blah that goes with a forum..some events don't make the calendar and onlookers may click the link as it is not labeled "forum"

Events that don't get put on the calendar deserve what they get in terms of (lack of) exposure. It's not hard to submit an event to be listed on the official calendar. One of the biggest mis-uses of this site is the growing trend to forgo listing an event on the schedule in favor of doing it exclusively on the forum.

The discussion forum is the last place we want to be directing people to search for a tournament or a tournament date. It's way too disorganized for that purpose. If I'm looking for a tournament on a particular weekend, I shouldn't have to scroll through a page of threads to find a tournament that fits the date. With the way some of the threads get titled (no dates, no course identification, etc), it is like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

But I can understand the desire to direct people to a tournament thread if that's where the TD is putting all relevant info. A direct link from the schedule listing to the appropriate thread would make a ton of sense. That option is already available to TDs that want to go that way, since there is a place to link a tournament flyer/website on each listing.

[Jeff Wiechowski]

The discussion forum is the last place we want to be directing people to search for a tournament or a tournament date. It's way too disorganized for that purpose. If I'm looking for a tournament on a particular weekend, I shouldn't have to scroll through a page of threads to find a tournament that fits the date. With the way some of the threads get titled (no dates, no course identification, etc), it is like trying to find a needle in a haystack.

But I can understand the desire to direct people to a tournament thread if that's where the TD is putting all relevant info. A direct link from the schedule listing to the appropriate thread would make a ton of sense. That option is already available to TDs that want to go that way, since there is a place to link a tournament flyer/website on each listing.

As usual, Josh is the voice of logic.

I've been trying to keep the titles of NEFA events to similiar format(Name-location-date-sanctioning) so that their easy to spot. That also makes it easy for me to sticky the events as their dates close in.
A link from the Calendar list to the appropriate thread is easy(as is a link to a flyer) as long as the TD includes the info with their submittal.

I'd like to limit the Tournament Central area to NEFA-only events or at least NEFA and/or PDGA events with the non-sanctioned events getting their own catergory area.

[Jeff Wiechowski]

Events that don't get put on the calendar deserve what they get in terms of (lack of) exposure. It's not hard to submit an event to be listed on the official calendar. One of the biggest mis-uses of this site is the growing trend to forgo listing an event on the schedule in favor of doing it exclusively on the forum.

In order to get an event listed on the main calendar with a NEFA logo next to it, you need to fill out the form and pay your $25. So anyone that "forgoes" the schedule is not running a NEFA event in the first place. Any non-NEFA event that ARE listed are done so as a free perk that NEFA offers.

If someone runs a non-NEFA event and chooses not to send an email to the scheduler, that their problem.It's not up to NEFA to hold every TDs hand while running a non-NEFA event.

[Josh Connell]

Events that don't get put on the calendar deserve what they get in terms of (lack of) exposure. It's not hard to submit an event to be listed on the official calendar. One of the biggest mis-uses of this site is the growing trend to forgo listing an event on the schedule in favor of doing it exclusively on the forum.

I thought that we'd written into the Charter that an event must have a listing in the Calendar AND a thread started. Imma go check.........

You're right...for NEFA Points events only. The Charter doesn't really apply to PDGAs, MPTs, Green Mountain Series, doubles, non-sanctioned, etc. Those are the events I'm referring to more than anything else.

Sucks to miss out on an event that you might otherwise play because you didn't spot it in the Tournament Central section. I tend not to click on threads for tournaments I have no stake or interest in, at least not until after the event because I like to check out the results. If the thread heading doesn't contain the right eye-catching notes (date, sanction, location, etc), I'm bound to miss it. I'd wager I'm not alone in that.

[Titan Bariloni]

I agree with jeff about nefa/pdga only area for sure

I see your points and I understand the schedule listing and the value of it

I just think the more times we can direct people to relevant areas is better..why not..? just because "they" could do ___X

[Titan Bariloni]

It's not up to NEFA to hold every TDs hand while running a non-NEFA event.

wow guys relax we are talking about a link here...lets not talk about what people should do and focus on the what we can do....human nature is human nature...once you understand it..manipulating it is simple

[Jeff Wiechowski]

oops..... edited it after ya quoted it.

The Charter doesn't really apply to PDGAs, MPTs, Green Mountain Series, doubles, non-sanctioned, etc. Those are the events I'm referring to more than anything else.

Sucks to miss out on an event that you might otherwise play because you didn't spot it in the Tournament Central section. I tend not to click on threads for tournaments I have no stake or interest in, at least not until after the event because I like to check out the results. If the thread heading doesn't contain the right eye-catching notes (date, sanction, location, etc), I'm bound to miss it. I'd wager I'm not alone in that.

I agree you're not alone there. But to expect us to track/maintain/edit all these other non-NEFA events in addition to the NEFA ones is a bit much, IMO.

Or maybe i need an assistant?.........

[Jeff Wiechowski]

I am relaxed, Titan............... good convo, Josh.

the only way we can mold these ideas into things is to discuss like this....... Ideas Become Things, just like the sticker on your truck says.

[Titan Bariloni]

the constant problem around nefaland seems to be when an idea is entered..people pick it apart with reasons why not to do it..when the task in the first place takes less time just to do...if the idea could only help and is simple to accomplish..kinda like the link to homepage again..then why all the BS..yes I understand this is a discussion board and things are discussed..but sometimes more words of discussion happen then actual action

[Titan Bariloni]

if nefa charges 25 for event listing...I hear this fee goes to pro payouts?,,through the grape from pres and sec..why would a non nefa event get same listing rights for free? I understand the logo is there..but in all reality why should nefa charge for there logo?(esp when we don't have any nefa gear with logo that could be sold)

what does nefa give the nefa event extra(besides for possible more entrants due to series participants) in regards to "listing" all these events have standards they must meet..maybe nefa should work with events and offer an article on homepage for event...again I understand nefa allows people to submit them but since they charge 25 for listing fee maybe something exclusive to nefa events would be some words about the event else where then the scxhedule by nefa

[Jeff Wiechowski]

Not a listing fee but a sanctioning fee.
The Points bring more players.

I've never asked where that 25 goes, hmmmmmm.....

[Josh Connell]

I agree you're not alone there. But to expect us to track/maintain/edit all these other non-NEFA events in addition to the NEFA ones is a bit much, IMO.

Or maybe i need an assistant?.........

Jeff, no one's asking you to track and maintain non-NEFA event listings. The onus should always be on the TDs to make sure their most up to date info is out there. My issue isn't with NEFA or you or anyone else who has the access to update the schedule. It's 100% with the TDs not taking advantage of their opportunity to be listed on the schedule in the first place.

As the guy who maintained the schedule (and the forum and the rest of the site) for quite a few years, I understand exactly what the job entails. My rule always was that the only tournament info that got put on the schedule was the info that was sent directly to me via email or once we had it as an option, PM. I didn't scour the discussion pages for events to list on the schedule. I wasn't going to take on the responsibility of deciding what info was relevant and what wasn't for the schedule, and possibly getting it wrong. TDs sent in their stuff or they didn't get listed.

[Jeff Wiechowski]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, OK !!!

I knew I was missing something............... grrrrrr, i hate misinterpreting text.

Fully agree that those that choose to publish the bare minimum get an appropriate attendance to their events.

[Josh Connell]

if nefa charges 25 for event listing...I hear this fee goes to pro payouts?,,through the grape from pres and sec..why would a non nefa event get same listing rights for free? I understand the logo is there..but in all reality why should nefa charge for there logo?(esp when we don't have any nefa gear with logo that could be sold)

what does nefa give the nefa event extra(besides for possible more entrants due to series participants) in regards to "listing" all these events have standards they must meet..maybe nefa should work with events and offer an article on homepage for event...again I understand nefa allows people to submit them but since they charge 25 for listing fee maybe something exclusive to nefa events would be some words about the event else where then the scxhedule by nefa

The $25 is a sanctioning fee, which last I knew, was divvied up proportionally across all divisions' payouts.

The schedule is just another perk of membership. It should not be exclusively for NEFA Points, or for events that pay to be listed. It has always been and should always remain the place for ALL disc events within NEFA's realm to be listed. It used to be the one-stop spot for all events in the area. Now, it's become one of about six different places you have to look at to find out what's going on on a particular weekend. Frankly, I'd love for it to become that one-stop spot again. But it would take a greater effort on the part of TDs around the area to make it that way again.

[Jeff Wiechowski]

Now, it's become one of about six different places you have to look at to find out what's going on on a particular weekend.

Blame this on Zuckerdweeb, lol.

[Titan Bariloni]

yeah to many spots really nowadays..it was cool but wow

dgscene,facebook,nefa,pdga just to name a few

i AGREE would be cool to have a standard for td's to use..and no doubt it is easy to pop it to schedule..

just maybe people wanna freestyle w/o hitting that forum button.trick em with a link that says...also browse through tourney central for an event/more info..with link..any extra way to draw em in..I don't see it as confusion I see it as hey what if/maybe even 5 people hit the button that would have never hit the forum button then success

what came up from the brain of helen franchi was nefa is not the end all for DG...I agree..it was meant for me and franchi to stop messing around drawing out of towners and hit all the local websites and local area medias/ect ect...this is what we are lacking the local connection..we have some but compared to players/tourney players ratio it is small...this adds even more places to hit so it would be cool if DG could set a standard get it out there and be semi unified or cross promote each other very closely so we can spend time/energy to hit these in all reality more valuable areas of communication..but by the time you even get one setup the event is there it seems..lol

I think this may change a lil at least for my area as we are getting a rotation and hopefully we can find balance between DG-local outlets..the recent boom and added cool events have had low turnouts but I think once we have are shart together better the future will only be better

sorry thread drift ramble kinda

[Titan Bariloni]

it was meant for me and franchi to stop messing around drawing out of towners and hit all the local websites and local area medias/ect ect...this is what we are lacking the local connection

I have found the information on this site to be very useful..almost a text book for DG..one that shows the journey to success or failure

This new year I will be transitioning to other websites locally..we have all kinds of regional outdoor activity websites,meetings/gatherings,ect ect..I wanna set up a DG thread in all of them and hope to maintain them..I think trying to draw new to sport people would be more valuable then the beg,plead,convince,bribe method currently used by TD's..to draw already active DG'ers

also wanna create some smaller less over whelming as nefa..and yes to some it is overwhelming kinda like the TC site just for all local activities and help keep all the litter from basically casual events in our area from the nefa board..and contain them to a "this region thread" check out the happenings out here ect ect blah blah...and I can admit I must maintain a facebook or find some eager local to do so..as much as I hate to admit it..ya kinda got to

that said I will also keep current events on nefa but more for this areas larger events...just makes more sense to me

local areas with online pre reg options seem to thrive..I gotta find/set something up around here..I always gotta deal with the $$$ and I actually hate doing that but nobody has ever stepped up around here

My mission is to fill some roles around here(much like discap) and find more volunteers...I am done trying to draw the woooosta boyz they got major things popping down there..they know about the events they come or don't

nice the sun is out I gotta get outside..

[Doug Callaghan]

Other than my nefa advertising at Kiosks at Nefa courses. Another idea is a TD of the year award. What do you guys think? Not sure how this person would be chosen but maybe a criteria could be worked out. Especially this year, it seems like several people have stepped up to taking on the TD role. Pretty thankless pain in the butt in my mind, but maybe we should do something for the people that do it the best. Personally i think its a skill, some people TD much better than others, lets get em a trophy or at least a gift certificate to applebee's or something.

just an idea

[Matt DeAngelis]

I always wanted to see awards in our org, beyond just the normal point series prizes. Last years poker/banquet was intended to get bigger and better, but the loss of Charlton effected all of us! That was the perfect venue for this type of event. The long term plan was to have a few different categories for members to vote on prior to the meeting, then give out the awards during the banquet. It is something I will add to the growing list of improvements that have been suggested!

[Jason Southwick]

NEFA should devise a way for New England TDs who are not running NEFA Points events (or Matt's new stoopid name) to upload tournament results into our existing schedule, which then can serve as an archive of New England disc golf events.

Right now a lot of event results are somewhere else and either buried in a NEFA Tournament Forum thread, at PDGAy.com, or some other obscure nook in the great wide webworld.

They should all be in one place, namely on our schedule, so today's up and comers can someday look back at the results archives at nefa.com and remember faces attached to the names, and see who shot what. Remember the hole where it all went south, and who was humorously obnoxious.

We need a way to preserve our unsanctioned results in one place.

We need a TD Upload button.

Who wants to fight?

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Anyway, Josh Connell already stated the same thing six different ways in this very thread. Josh is smart.

The TD Upload Button. Yeah baby.