'13 ProWorlds

[James Lane]

Brinster had the hot round (44) in rd5, in 11th, 11 back
Dore 57th(t)
Steve Eco 75th(t)
The AM champ is playing way above his rating
McBeast is a Beast, makes it look so easy
My money on Nikko, though

Who are you watching?

[Chris Bolton]

I like seeing the battle between the champ and Barry.

[Trent Solomon]

Val finally winning her 4th after being so close the last few years.

[Justin White]

Brinsters last shot of the tourney was an ace on hole one. Sick!

[Dave Jackson]

BooM!!!!

[Andy Gallerani]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk6DRyssIS ... 3Dyoutu.be

[Adam McGahey]

So 8th place open against the best in the world earns you the same as 5th place Grandmasters, $900?? I'd have thought this sport would have matured a little better by now. Not to take away from MPG (and I am one of them) but MPO should be rewarded WAY better than that. So should all the Pro divisions. 131 players in MPO and only 57 in MPG. There is still not sponsorship $$$ in DG obviously in the U.S. Not to take away from the efforts of those that raise any sponsorship $$ in this sport, trust me I ran a tourney or 2 and it's hard to convince the value of it. Brinster at best probably broke even after expenses for a great showing. I sound like I'm bitching a bit and that's because I am! It's all about dollahs if the best can actually profit and tour like they do. 8th in the world championships should equal better than a good weekend for me at work.
I know, I'm not the one with the solution or answers but I can at least voice an opinion. Actually I do have an opinion on both but I've mentioned them before and it goes nowhere. And I wouldn't post it on a public forum again. Just surprised at such a low payout for what is the 'pinnacle' of our sport.

[Josh Connell]

So 8th place open against the best in the world earns you the same as 5th place Grandmasters, $900?? I'd have thought this sport would have matured a little better by now. Not to take away from MPG (and I am one of them) but MPO should be rewarded WAY better than that. So should all the Pro divisions. 131 players in MPO and only 57 in MPG. There is still not sponsorship $$$ in DG obviously in the U.S. Not to take away from the efforts of those that raise any sponsorship $$ in this sport, trust me I ran a tourney or 2 and it's hard to convince the value of it. Brinster at best probably broke even after expenses for a great showing. I sound like I'm bitching a bit and that's because I am! It's all about dollahs if the best can actually profit and tour like they do. 8th in the world championships should equal better than a good weekend for me at work.
I know, I'm not the one with the solution or answers but I can at least voice an opinion. Actually I do have an opinion on both but I've mentioned them before and it goes nowhere. And I wouldn't post it on a public forum again. Just surprised at such a low payout for what is the 'pinnacle' of our sport.

I agree with you that Steve deserves better. I have a solution, at least as pertains to this particular tournament and perhaps others, and I'm not afraid to post it...

Don't add cash to age-protected divisions. Add money to Open and Women, and that's it. If the older players want a piece of it, they can pony up and play with the youngsters. "Protection" should come at a price, IMO, and that price is having no bonus money in the purse.

[Rob Breckenridge]

Where are you guys watching this?

[Jake LaFlamme]

dgplanet.tv

[Mike Dussault]

I agree with you that Steve deserves better. I have a solution, at least as pertains to this particular tournament and perhaps others, and I'm not afraid to post it...

Don't add cash to age-protected divisions. Add money to Open and Women, and that's it. If the older players want a piece of it, they can pony up and play with the youngsters. "Protection" should come at a price, IMO, and that price is having no bonus money in the purse.[/quote]


I agree with this, and I am creeping up on GM myself.

[Jeff Wiechowski]

Don't add cash to age-protected divisions. Add money to Open and Women, and that's it. If the older players want a piece of it, they can pony up and play with the youngsters. "Protection" should come at a price, IMO, and that price is having no bonus money in the purse.

So no added cash for Climo and Schultz?
Pretty sure that's never gonna happen.

Fact is, the first couple generations of superstars are getting older. They still wanna play competitive and if the PDGA turned their backs($$) on these GREAT players, it would do much more harm than good.

[Titan_Bariloni]

are the TD's GM's or GM minded..coulda been a personal TD choice to add the cash there

kinda redick I guess though no matter the reason

screw da champ he can't even get his BUTTTTT up to NE ever

[Todd Lapham]

So no added cash for Climo and Schultz?
Pretty sure that's never gonna happen.

Fact is, the first couple generations of superstars are getting older. They still wanna play competitive and if the PDGA turned their backs($$) on these GREAT players, it would do much more harm than good.

I highly doubt it would do more harm than good. I'd bet they'd just play open and not cherry pick for easier money.

Josh is spot on, imo.

[Josh Connell]

Don't add cash to age-protected divisions. Add money to Open and Women, and that's it. If the older players want a piece of it, they can pony up and play with the youngsters. "Protection" should come at a price, IMO, and that price is having no bonus money in the purse.

So no added cash for Climo and Schultz?
Pretty sure that's never gonna happen.

Fact is, the first couple generations of superstars are getting older. They still wanna play competitive and if the PDGA turned their backs($$) on these GREAT players, it would do much more harm than good.

Ken Climo of the 1034 rating (13th highest in the world)? Barry Schultz of the 1028 (21st highest in the world)? These guys can't still compete in Open? Of course they can (and do outside Worlds). If they're in it for the money, they still have the chops to cash in Open.

And let's be realistic, it's not as though taking the added cash away from the Masters division would reduce payouts to nothing. $200 entry X 47 players = $9400 in the Masters purse (assuming 100% payout of gross, which I'm fine with adding money to achieve if necessary). Barry still goes home with ~$1600 in that situation. Actual payouts totaled $11750, so that's at least $2350 that was added to the purse. Add just that amount into the Open purse and McBeth goes home with about $400 more and the rest trickles down the ranks.

I might buy into boosting the Masters (and other age divisions) purse if it meant that more of the field gets paid so that the odds of putting a dent in the week's expenses increase for the whole field, but they don't. They paid 40% of the field, which is the minimum percentage the PDGA allows. So with or without the money, the same 19 players cash, it's just their checks would be smaller without the added cash.

I'm simply of the opinion that added money should be put into the divisions in which the most players can take a crack at it. Paul and Will and Nikko and Ricky can't play Masters or GM if they wanted to. But Barry and Kenny and Raley and Tannock can play Open if they want to. So it only makes sense that Open is where the bonus money goes.

[Sean Healy]

Don't add cash to age-protected divisions. Add money to Open and Women, and that's it. If the older players want a piece of it, they can pony up and play with the youngsters. "Protection" should come at a price, IMO, and that price is having no bonus money in the purse.

So no added cash for Climo and Schultz?
Pretty sure that's never gonna happen.

Fact is, the first couple generations of superstars are getting older. They still wanna play competitive and if the PDGA turned their backs($$) on these GREAT players, it would do much more harm than good.

Ken Climo of the 1034 rating (13th highest in the world)? Barry Schultz of the 1028 (21st highest in the world)? These guys can't still compete in Open? Of course they can (and do outside Worlds). If they're in it for the money, they still have the chops to cash in Open.

And let's be realistic, it's not as though taking the added cash away from the Masters division would reduce payouts to nothing. $200 entry X 47 players = $9400 in the Masters purse (assuming 100% payout of gross, which I'm fine with adding money to achieve if necessary). Barry still goes home with ~$1600 in that situation. Actual payouts totaled $11750, so that's at least $2350 that was added to the purse. Add just that amount into the Open purse and McBeth goes home with about $400 more and the rest trickles down the ranks.

I might buy into boosting the Masters (and other age divisions) purse if it meant that more of the field gets paid so that the odds of putting a dent in the week's expenses increase for the whole field, but they don't. They paid 40% of the field, which is the minimum percentage the PDGA allows. So with or without the money, the same 19 players cash, it's just their checks would be smaller without the added cash.

I'm simply of the opinion that added money should be put into the divisions in which the most players can take a crack at it. Paul and Will and Nikko and Ricky can't play Masters or GM if they wanted to. But Barry and Kenny and Raley and Tannock can play Open if they want to. So it only makes sense that Open is where the bonus money goes.

Boom. Nailed it

[Jeff LaGrassa]

So 8th place open against the best in the world earns you the same as 5th place Grandmasters, $900?? I'd have thought this sport would have matured a little better by now. Not to take away from MPG (and I am one of them) but MPO should be rewarded WAY better than that. So should all the Pro divisions. 131 players in MPO and only 57 in MPG. There is still not sponsorship $$$ in DG obviously in the U.S. Not to take away from the efforts of those that raise any sponsorship $$ in this sport, trust me I ran a tourney or 2 and it's hard to convince the value of it. Brinster at best probably broke even after expenses for a great showing. I sound like I'm bitching a bit and that's because I am! It's all about dollahs if the best can actually profit and tour like they do. 8th in the world championships should equal better than a good weekend for me at work.
I know, I'm not the one with the solution or answers but I can at least voice an opinion. Actually I do have an opinion on both but I've mentioned them before and it goes nowhere. And I wouldn't post it on a public forum again. Just surprised at such a low payout for what is the 'pinnacle' of our sport.

Pure and simple, blame the golfers who didn't attend this year's event.

There were only 131 competitors in the Open division this year, and payouts are overwhelmingly based on entrants; added cash from sponsorship and the PDGA is only a small portion of the total payout. There's no sense in arguing whether sponsorship dollars should be allocated between Open, Masters, etc. It's like debating whether a larger portion of a tip at a restaurant should go to the server or the bartender or the kitchen, when the total bill is the overwhelming factor at how much tip money is available in the first place.

If you're comparing payouts from this year to previous years, consider that Charlotte had 144 Open competitors and Santa Cruz had 179. With fewer competitors, the payouts go down.

Until sponsorship and added cash are in the same ballpark as the purse from the entry fees, this won't change. I don't know any business willing to give $30k or $40k to Pro Worlds. Do you? If so, please sign them up!

[Patrick Harris]

^^Good point I'll say(sign)^^

[Jake LaFlamme]

the final 9 for those of us to cheap to pay for it live.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eo2bOR1NWLY

[Trent Solomon]

the final 9 for those of us to cheap to pay for it live.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eo2bOR1NWLY

[Adam McGahey]

So 8th place open against the best in the world earns you the same as 5th place Grandmasters, $900?? I'd have thought this sport would have matured a little better by now. Not to take away from MPG (and I am one of them) but MPO should be rewarded WAY better than that. So should all the Pro divisions. 131 players in MPO and only 57 in MPG. There is still not sponsorship $$$ in DG obviously in the U.S. Not to take away from the efforts of those that raise any sponsorship $$ in this sport, trust me I ran a tourney or 2 and it's hard to convince the value of it. Brinster at best probably broke even after expenses for a great showing. I sound like I'm bitching a bit and that's because I am! It's all about dollahs if the best can actually profit and tour like they do. 8th in the world championships should equal better than a good weekend for me at work.
I know, I'm not the one with the solution or answers but I can at least voice an opinion. Actually I do have an opinion on both but I've mentioned them before and it goes nowhere. And I wouldn't post it on a public forum again. Just surprised at such a low payout for what is the 'pinnacle' of our sport.

Pure and simple, blame the golfers who didn't attend this year's event.

There were only 131 competitors in the Open division this year, and payouts are overwhelmingly based on entrants; added cash from sponsorship and the PDGA is only a small portion of the total payout. There's no sense in arguing whether sponsorship dollars should be allocated between Open, Masters, etc. It's like debating whether a larger portion of a tip at a restaurant should go to the server or the bartender or the kitchen, when the total bill is the overwhelming factor at how much tip money is available in the first place.

If you're comparing payouts from this year to previous years, consider that Charlotte had 144 Open competitors and Santa Cruz had 179. With fewer competitors, the payouts go down.

Until sponsorship and added cash are in the same ballpark as the purse from the entry fees, this won't change. I don't know any business willing to give $30k or $40k to Pro Worlds. Do you? If so, please sign them up!

I'll be the first to pony up that sponsorship cash!! Oh, wait-I didn't win the Powerball. Damn, it was only a dream! Glad to see some discussion after my post and I did not want to bring negativity to Steve's great showing. I was only surprised and I get it how things are as they stand. But I agree some age protected guys could win it again. If I was 1000 rated hell yeah I'd compete in MPO in Worlds! Let alone 1034!! If there were no age protected divisions I'd go back to AM1, be happy and most likely 'cash' more. So you are all going to have to wait for me to win the Powerball for the solution. And I mean at least 100 mill. I have a better shot at that than being 1000 rated anytime soon!!!.
But back to my original bitching-8th Open(best in the world) = 5th MPG(age protected 2 steps down with less than 1/2 the competitors)? Still seems out of whack any way you slice it.

[Karl Molitoris]

Adam,

You make some valid points and I'm not JUST taking one of them out of context (and harping on it), but your...

"8th in the world championships should equal better than a good weekend for me at work."

...has me stating that you (and others agreeing with you on this) are failing to remember one VERY important point - which is:

How much someone earns is WAY more directly related to how much they 'make' for their boss than it is how much they are actually worth!

Over the past 11 years, my brother has saved numerous lives (and other cool things) as a paramedic while I have argued with lawyers, the government, and other crappy stuff to keep the companies I've worked for out of regulatory "hot water". Bro has probably "helped" society more so but I've helped a 'paying entity' "save" money - thus I've earned a lot more than he has. Fair? No. Reality? Yes.

And I'm sure there are a LOT of other such similar cases.
In the end (in your specific scenario), Steve did a LOT less for "his boss" (no, not Leslie ) than you did for your boss...so YOU may have earned more.

Karl

[Chuck Kennedy]

Added cash by the PDGA at Worlds is really more of a partial rebate of the 25 dollars extra that pros pay in member dues. Supporting expenses, host advances, volunteers, staff travel, marshals and added cash at Pro Worlds is where a chunk of that extra 25 goes that's collected from pros of all ages and who benefit from it by attending Worlds.