Uh, Vibram Open 2013?

[Jeff Wiechowski]

Was really cool to watch on my phone while at the bar today....... Ill be signed on tomorrow unless I decide to drive out and caddy for Gary

[Karl Molitoris]

I don't think the course is easier either, just that a lot of people are scoring well on it. Will be interesting when the cut line player scores come in and we can watch the line move up/down.

I don't know (no way to really prove - all the participants aren't the exact same as last year) if the people are "scoring well on it" or not, but IF you're talking about 2013's course vs. 2012's course (correct me if I'm wrong):

1 A few small trees taken out this year (making the approach easier)
2 Same?
3 Basket moved ~30' to the right and a little closer
4 Same?
5 Opened up a rhbh hyzer route (that not too many people take...but still)
6 Same?
7 Same?
8 Moved basket to water's edge (much shorter and more 'birdieable')
9 Same?
10 Took out a couple trees at the corner
11 Same?
12 WAY, WAY easier!
13 Same?
14 Much harder
15 Same?
16 Easier for some considering there's virtually no OB, but the big-guns may find it less deuceable
17 Made it longer but WAY less of a troublesome angle
18 Took out numerous small trees in the fairway making the approach shot / stance / line easier

I say the course plays a little easier (than last year). And my personal scores (albeit, a rather small n-value) show such (considering I've not really improved or worsened over the last year).
It'll be interesting what the stats show (in the end).
And lower scores don't necessarily mean 'worse' (as the course got worse, etc.); actually, IMO the changes they made over the last year were good ones.

Karl

[Jeff LaGrassa]

A three-way tie for first place in Open Women, and a four-way tie for first place in Open Men, with swarms of others golfers nipping at their heels heading into the weekend. Could the PDGA NT Series closer possibly get any more exciting than this?!?

Look forward to more live coverage and live scoring tomorrow!!!

[Erik Siersdale]

What happened to Des? Last I saw she was holding the lead around hole 5 or 6

[Steven Dakai]

I don't think the course is easier either, just that a lot of people are scoring well on it. Will be interesting when the cut line player scores come in and we can watch the line move up/down.

I don't know (no way to really prove - all the participants aren't the exact same as last year) if the people are "scoring well on it" or not, but IF you're talking about 2013's course vs. 2012's course (correct me if I'm wrong):

1 A few small trees taken out this year (making the approach easier)
2 Same?
3 Basket moved ~30' to the right and a little closer
4 Same?
5 Opened up a rhbh hyzer route (that not too many people take...but still)
6 Same?
7 Same?
8 Moved basket to water's edge (much shorter and more 'birdieable')
9 Same?
10 Took out a couple trees at the corner
11 Same?
12 WAY, WAY easier!
13 Same?
14 Much harder
15 Same?
16 Easier for some considering there's virtually no OB, but the big-guns may find it less deuceable
17 Made it longer but WAY less of a troublesome angle
18 Took out numerous small trees in the fairway making the approach shot / stance / line easier

I say the course plays a little easier (than last year). And my personal scores (albeit, a rather small n-value) show such (considering I've not really improved or worsened over the last year).
It'll be interesting what the stats show (in the end).
And lower scores don't necessarily mean 'worse' (as the course got worse, etc.); actually, IMO the changes they made over the last year were good ones.

Karl

shut up Karl

[Trent Solomon]

Was really cool to watch on my phone while at the bar today....... Ill be signed on tomorrow unless I decide to drive out and caddy for Gary

do it! hes buys beer

[Jeff Prendergast]

Never realized how exaggerated Geoff Bennetts warmup is!

I had forgotten then I saw it at Wick last week. It's um...extended.

[Jeff Prendergast]

I don't think the course is easier either, just that a lot of people are scoring well on it. Will be interesting when the cut line player scores come in and we can watch the line move up/down.

I don't know (no way to really prove - all the participants aren't the exact same as last year) if the people are "scoring well on it" or not, but IF you're talking about 2013's course vs. 2012's course (correct me if I'm wrong):

1 A few small trees taken out this year (making the approach easier)
2 Same?
3 Basket moved ~30' to the right and a little closer
4 Same?
5 Opened up a rhbh hyzer route (that not too many people take...but still)
6 Same?
7 Same?
8 Moved basket to water's edge (much shorter and more 'birdieable')
9 Same?
10 Took out a couple trees at the corner
11 Same?
12 WAY, WAY easier!
13 Same?
14 Much harder
15 Same?
16 Easier for some considering there's virtually no OB, but the big-guns may find it less deuceable
17 Made it longer but WAY less of a troublesome angle
18 Took out numerous small trees in the fairway making the approach shot / stance / line easier

I say the course plays a little easier (than last year). And my personal scores (albeit, a rather small n-value) show such (considering I've not really improved or worsened over the last year).
It'll be interesting what the stats show (in the end).
And lower scores don't necessarily mean 'worse' (as the course got worse, etc.); actually, IMO the changes they made over the last year were good ones.

Karl

shut up Karl

Not so fast. Karl might be on to something. 3,8,12,16,18 all configured to be easier (16 more fair). 14 harder. The loss of 12 and 16 to property rights was a tragedy (pardon my hyperbole), but why make a hole like #18 easier? The allure of the Vibram Open was the majesty of the single challenging course...no need for multiple courses or layouts, the course is the test, right?

It's not worse this year, just easier.

EDIT: and what about hole 11? With the large amount of 3's on that hole I have to guess it's not tucked into the woods anymore, so add that to the easier list.

[Trent Solomon]

looks like ailes pulled out to protect his score....

[Jeff LaGrassa]

Daniel Marcus aces hole#8!

[Todd Lapham]

What's the cut looking like? Some nefa guys right on the edge!

[Jeff LaGrassa]

What's the cut looking like? Some nefa guys right on the edge!

Looks like it's gonna be right around 188, or +11 over par.

[Todd Lapham]

Ugh. Couple missed putts and you're out! I don't miss that feeling!

[Nicholas Ailes]

looks like ailes pulled out to protect his score....

i pulled out to do the right thing...i was slowly imploding and did not want to ruin other peoples time at the Vibram...that being said i made the choice to pull out not for my score but to bow out to save another's event...and in the future trent i would hope that you can see that trying to undermined someone makes yourself look like an fool.

[Josh Connell]

looks like ailes pulled out to protect his score....

i pulled out to do the right thing...i was slowly imploding and did not want to ruin other peoples time at the Vibram...that being said i made the choice to pull out not for my score but to bow out to save another's event...and in the future trent i would hope that you can see that trying to undermined someone makes yourself look like an fool.

The better learning experience is to stick around and battle through the implosion without embarrassing yourself or ruining other people's time. I don't think there's anything noble about quitting a tournament for anything but injury or emergency.

[Josh Connell]

Since we're sort of on the topic, I think kudos are in order for Mike Valerio. I'm assuming he missed his tee time Thursday because he wasn't aware that he'd made it into the tournament from the wait list. But he took advantage of the par+4 penalties (which is not a DNF) and still played yesterday and today, shooting a solid 65 today when he had zero chance of making the cut.

Hope the scoring staff does the right thing and changes that 999 on Thursday to the 131 he should be credited with. He may have started late, but he finished the tournament.

[Nicholas Ailes]

looks like ailes pulled out to protect his score....

i pulled out to do the right thing...i was slowly imploding and did not want to ruin other peoples time at the Vibram...that being said i made the choice to pull out not for my score but to bow out to save another's event...and in the future trent i would hope that you can see that trying to undermined someone makes yourself look like an fool.

The better learning experience is to stick around and battle through the implosion without embarrassing yourself or ruining other people's time. I don't think there's anything noble about quitting a tournament for anything but injury or emergency.

i agree 10 fold at the current time i made a call on the spot...my pulling out had nothing to do with score or the event but my mental state...reflecting back on the events that took place should have i stayed 100% but if the round was to proceed there would prob be another post about how ailes acted......non the less this is not the place to be talking about this and my retort to trent was do to the snide comment

[Jeff LaGrassa]

Nope. As directed to me the PDGA Tour Manager & Events Director, he must receive a 999 for that round. He was officially not part of the tournament competition BUT was encouraged to play the 2nd & 3rd rounds with his group and receive round ratings. This takes nothing away from Mike, who as you pointed out shot a stellar round, unofficially rated 975 and well above his player of 927.

[Titan_Bariloni]

have not got a chance to see the ME phenom yet...

3 strokes off the 2 other top regional stars...very impressive

I was skeptical but gotta say wow great showing he is super legit and on his way to great things as it appears

Yes Mike showed great grit playing

[Trent Solomon]

i pulled out to do the right thing...i was slowly imploding and did not want to ruin other peoples time at the Vibram...that being said i made the choice to pull out not for my score but to bow out to save another's event...and in the future trent i would hope that you can see that trying to undermined someone makes yourself look like an fool.

The better learning experience is to stick around and battle through the implosion without embarrassing yourself or ruining other people's time. I don't think there's anything noble about quitting a tournament for anything but injury or emergency.

i agree 10 fold at the current time i made a call on the spot...my pulling out had nothing to do with score or the event but my mental state...reflecting back on the events that took place should have i stayed 100% but if the round was to proceed there would prob be another post about how ailes acted......non the less this is not the place to be talking about this and my retort to trent was do to the snide comment

It wasnt a snide comment. your round was rated 888. Which in case you werent aware is a new code. look it up.

[Doug Callaghan]

50 for McBeth is crazy. Its hard to even imagine a 50 on that course.

[Rob Breckenridge]

Been watching this on dgplanet, unreal, these guys are sick.

I had not heard about the 888 rule, here it is:

http://www.pdga.com/ratings-manipulation-addressed

[Bryon_Harris]

have not got a chance to see the ME phenom yet...

3 strokes off the 2 other top regional stars...very impressive

I was skeptical but gotta say wow great showing he is super legit and on his way to great things as it appears

Yes Mike showed great grit playing

You mean Tyler? he is killing it. crazy that innova sponsored gagne and dore, and grady is now killing it and throws firebirds on like almost every drive. I'm sure he will follow.

[Adam Hassett]

50 for McBeth is crazy. Its hard to even imagine a 50 on that course.

Hey, Cale shot a 50 too!

[jim tufts]

The better learning experience is to stick around and battle through the implosion without embarrassing yourself or ruining other people's time. I don't think there's anything noble about quitting a tournament for anything but injury or emergency.

i agree 10 fold at the current time i made a call on the spot...my pulling out had nothing to do with score or the event but my mental state...reflecting back on the events that took place should have i stayed 100% but if the round was to proceed there would prob be another post about how ailes acted......non the less this is not the place to be talking about this and my retort to trent was do to the snide comment

Looking back, you should have done what you wanted.

You paid the entry fee, its your choice as to how much you want to get out of it. This isn't a team sport. That would be different. This isn't the Olympics where you have a national affiliation and are then letting your country down. And please don't let maines number one anal retentive social misfit attempt to change your mind. He's the same person that would probably start stroking you for any resulting anger after he convinced you to finish the round(s).

Such a joke. So high. So mighty.

Fun sponge.

Noble? Good grief. The civil war era called & they'd like their lame ass vernacular back.

[jim tufts]

have not got a chance to see the ME phenom yet...

3 strokes off the 2 other top regional stars...very impressive

I was skeptical but gotta say wow great showing he is super legit and on his way to great things as it appears

Yes Mike showed great grit playing

You mean Tyler? he is killing it. crazy that innova sponsored gagne and dore, and grady is now killing it and throws firebirds on like almost every drive. I'm sure he will follow.

Tyler didn't become a powerhouse until a few weeks ago. In the past, he had been a threat, but the ups and downs were quite extreme from day to day, week to week. Now he's on a killing spree and his average bad round has become something of a thousand rated nature.

The 18 year old has the focus of a man of 50 and the kind of restraint you can only read about.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if he's scooped up by a major manufacturer before today is through.

[Jay Ballard]

UnFreakinReal...What a round!

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[Pete Nevius]

That was a lot of fun to watch. Wishing now that I'd driven down to Maple to see it live.

45!?!?!

[Adam McGahey]

A 45..I mean, WOW!!! I'd bet the farm that HAS to be one of the highest rated rounds ever. 9 two's, 9 three's. At Maple Hill. ..wow!!

[Troy Dietrich]

1119 on the unofficial ratings! Ridiculous.

Guess Dave's gonna have to redesign a hole or two to make the course harder. 45's aren't supposed to happen on the golds.