Rain/lightning delays

[Brock_Pitzer]

wondering protocol for practicing during delays?

We stopped mid round and marked our lies. During the break, some practiced their putts/approaches from the marked lies.
It looked illegal and shady, but is it written?

[Karl Molitoris]

Brock,

I know of no "rule" (The CM's 1.7 doesn't seem to address it adequately and I can't find any other applicable "written word" on it) which would prevent practicing IF the "delay" was a TD-induced "suspension of play". If it was, it would be - IMO - the same as the between rounds time of a 2-round tournament...and thus throwing (and not incurring practice throw penalty shots) would be allowed. But ONLY if it were an "official" TD mandated suspension of play.

Karl
Ps: Good hearing from you!

[Bill Newman]

basic idea is to stay safe and under shelter, during an offical stoppage. When its safe to play (as determined by the TD) a brief warm up period is customary followed by another 2 minute warning, then start. Organizing this is easier if everybody is taking shelter in the same spot. If people are in dif. spots/shelters during the delay communication is the challange....

[Brock_Pitzer]

my focus is on practicing from your lie (mini) during the delay (if you didn't complete the hole)? sportsmanship? courtesy? spirit of the game?

[Patrick Harris]

my focus is on practicing from your lie (mini) during the delay (if you didn't complete the hole)? sportsmanship? courtesy? spirit of the game?

Sure, you can. Pretend there's no mini on the same spot/lie that you're practicing on.

See if you can repeat that very same throw when the round resumes. It might work out or not.

[Karl Molitoris]

Patric,

Brock I believe is taking the stance that it should NOT be allowed (due to "sportsmanship", etc.), not asking a question whether it CAN be done or not.
While it DOES seem funny / odd / an anomaly, it is somewhat akin to power outage during a football game (which may 'benefit' one of the teams (a little) if they're more tired than the other) or a rain delay during a baseball game (which may 'benefit' the pitcher getting creamed).

I understand your thought process (and somewhat concur) but don't have a solution (that wouldn't be worse than the situation present).

Karl

[Josh Connell]

I'm not sure it is inherently unfair for a player to "practice" a particular shot (or any shot for that matter) during a delay since the opportunity is there for every player in the event. It's not as though only one player can benefit from practicing their next shot repeatedly...every player has that opportunity.

I believe that a weather suspension is treated like any other break between rounds in that players are free to practice or warm up as they see fit, and the reason I believe this is that the re-start is handled the same as any other shotgun start: two minute warning followed by a start call. You're allowed to practice up until the two minute warning in normal circumstances, I see no reason players shouldn't be allowed to do the same before a restart.

[Chuck Kennedy]

Not illegal or unethical to repeatedly practice the exact shot you want to throw after the suspension is over as long as it's during the warmup period provided before the restart. Not cool to do it during an unsafe weather scenario causing the delay. It's no different from practicing that tee shot you're planning to throw when a round starts.

[Jeff Prendergast]

Not illegal or unethical to repeatedly practice the exact shot you want to throw after the suspension is over as long as it's during the warmup period provided before the restart.

Not cool to do it during an unsafe weather scenario causing the delay. It's no different from practicing that tee shot you're planning to throw when a round starts.

[Matt Grayum]

How about if you are playing a tournament and the TD calls a weather delay and you don't hear the delay so you continue playing in the pouring rain. Eventually you come to a hole where you see players walking up the fairway towards the tee pad and you ask them why. They say there was a delay for weather. Do you then have to go back and play the previous holes because they officially do not count? Also if the decision was made that the holes do count it is really an unfair situation to have had played in the heavy rain while others took a delay.

My opinion is that the holes don't officially count but there is no way to know at what point the delay was called. In this case I think ATD should make it very public and widespread the delay is being called even if the thunder is very loud some type of horn or walking around the whole course.

[Jeff Prendergast]

In this case I think ATD should make it very public and widespread the delay is being called even if the thunder is very loud some type of horn or walking around the whole course.

Agreed, but there's still a slim chance that everyone would stop play simultaneously. Somebody would inevitably throw that extra shot (and wish they hadn't). Logically, the shots thrown would have to count, especially when there's no permanent mark of where the disc was.

[Brock_Pitzer]

thanks for replies...

chuck, is your cat's name Schrodinger? i kid, i kid.

so, it is NOT written, fair enough.

and Matt, I believe it's the TD's responsibility for ALL to hear the siren for delay. and, since the entire group continued to play on,
their scores should count (as you implied) since you don't know when the delay occurred.
...queue the birdies arguing bogies scenario....
No written rule to the contrary;


Regarding where to place the disc, mirroring ball golf rules (DG'rs love this comparison), if they stopped for suspension of play/darkness and the marker was moved overnight, the player puts it where they "believe" it was supposed to be. USGA rule 7-1 also says no competitors can practice on the championship course from start to finish of the tourney (exception: putting green or designated putting/driving/chipping area). I don't believe the PGA has a 2 minute warning, you just show up at your pre-designated time.

"I thought I was wrong once, but was mistaken"

[Karl Molitoris]

I was going to bring up 7.1 (bg) but figured that it would only start a hornet's nest - it not being in the style of nor really practical for such rule in dg (and personally am glad that this difference DOES exist between the two 'golfs').

Karl

[Brock_Pitzer]

ahhh, hornets nest... been trying to channel my inner jason southwick for years... I miss his delicate prose.

[Drew Smith]

Hey Brock! Been a while ...

[Brock_Pitzer]

Thanks Drew, hope to see ya at TOD, never attended that event. I always enjoy summer in New England but will
likely head to the left coast when the snow starts to fly...