Chris Young wrote:What about laying down string before big events and removing it the next day. I know its a lot more work, but if the park/course owner was ok with that and there were sufficient volunteers before and after the event then this seems like it could be a possibility for some courses or certain big events.
We've done this too. It's a P.I.T.A. and an added expense that takes away from payouts.
Yes, but we need to figure out a way to make clearly defined OB lines. It should not have to come down to a group discussion, you should be able to walk up to your shot and know right away if it is in or out.
Is t54 happening this year? Should we plan for the last weekend in March? We are looking to plan some events and want to make sure we don't miss T54, 2015. Thanks
A question to all you NEFA Pros: Should we change the courses? We have had the same three for a couple years now and I dont want it to get stale. The current format of West T,Buffumville and Hyland works well for diversity. However I am always looking for fresh ideas.
Am side will be different this year. New courses, slight format changes.
Ideally, ending at Maple Hill and partying in the Sap house. but I don't think that is possible with daylight.
Ending at the brewery is always fun but the the OB at Hyland's need to be clarified.. What is the OB rule? Is it "over the rock walls" or "the rock wall". I saw players playing it both ways. Thanks
Hole 6 Hylands. I throw my drive past basket and it hits the wall and bounces back towards basket. The disc is on a rock that is in the ground. (ground level) That rock is touching another rock that is touching the wall. Player in the group says I am OB because the wall is OB. I am clearly inbounds 2 feet from the wall. But by definition of the rock wall being OB, PDGA rules can rule me OB.
If the rule was "over the wall is OB", same argument can be made on the other side.
Kind of shocked that would be called OB. It has always been played as OB on the other side of the wall, but a rope would make it much easier to determine ruling.
So if your disc is on a rock, that is touching another rock, that is touching the wall. But, you are 3 feet away from the wall OB, PDGA ruling would have you in. Players cant make up what the definition of the wall is. string on 6 is essential. string on 13 would be ideal but might not be practical.
I woulda said you were good(in bounds) based on your description. It's funny I have played tourneys for awhile now and have only had any issues last year. I make a point at be at the players meeting every time, and actually listen..... Sounds like a bad call and it seems like it stuck with you, which makes it worse in my mind, because now you have to fight being soured on the event, course, or folks on your card........
There should never be any degree of ambiguity regarding basically ANYTHING during a tourney.......... I cringe every time a question gets asked at a players meeting and there is some confusion or talk and the end result is the TD saying something along the lines of "let the group decide" or "use your discretion"....... I've seen all types of shenanigans during a tourney..... None of the above has been the norm, but it certainly has happened more than a few times.
I was actually about to type something along the lines of "I'm surprised the PDGA rules or event status did clarify that." Then reality hit me and the 60 or 70 pages of rule debates posted on the forums spoke up..... Speaking of, I want someone to ask a rule question that sparks another tiff between Josh and Chuck, they "nice" fight the best........
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I have always played rock walls on courses with them defining OB (unless otherwise specified), as the wall itself is the OB line...and since PDGA rules define an OB line as being OB some part of the disc must be inside of it for the disc to be in-bounds. Many rock walls are more than a meter wide, so you can't really use the outside of the wall as the line since then even after taking your maximum meter of relief you may still be perched precariously on the wall for your throw.
However, a rock touching a rock that's touching the wall (3 feet away!) is not part of the wall IMO.
My only issue with Webster is the greens fees. Hyland opens the course for us,as would Maple Hill. Webster wants greens fees and that reduces the purse. Its only 5-7 bucks per player but it adds up. If I take over the course for parts of two days they will definitely want some coin,its a business after all.
Its only $5 per player to get a better overall facility (IMO). Add it to the entry fee and be done with it. It's $5! If a player has an issue with it tell them they can play elsewhere that weekend and miss a great tournament over what they would spend for a breakfast combo at Dunkin Donuts.
I know Gary. But as a TD you know its not $5...its ANOTHER $5. After PDGA fees,ACOE fees,insurance,food,water, flags, ob string, scorecards, scoreport cards, am prizes, gas, tolls and taxes, et al, it all adds up. Besides its another line on the report, and I hate the paperwork,!!!!
Webster will definitely be used for the AM side. Shooting for a 395 excursion of Brooklyn (pending), West T and Webster.
Don Boutin has been such a great partner that it would take a lot for me to exclude him,but that is the course that may get replaced. Worm was down right excited at the idea of using Maple Hill. Although I think Buff adds the type of course we need,it is the hardest course to use. it takes twice as long to put players out on the course and twice as long to play. Maybe a helicopter service would shuttle us to Borderland?
But you are essentially correct Gary. $5 aint no big deal to the player.
End at Webster. It makes the most sense logistically, flows better than the 35 min drive to Hylands. Ill pay the extra 5. Maybe Web cuts greens fees in half, donates, as we purchase beverages from them?
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Joe Yaskis wrote:End at Webster. It makes the most sense logistically, flows better than the 35 min drive to Hylands. Ill pay the extra 5. Maybe Web cuts greens fees in half, donates, as we purchase beverages from them?
^THIS
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Joe Yaskis wrote:End at Webster. It makes the most sense logistically, flows better than the 35 min drive to Hylands. Ill pay the extra 5. Maybe Web cuts greens fees in half, donates, as we purchase beverages from them?
I will pitch the idea to Webster. Lets see what they think. I'm not confident they will want to give up $500+(or any fraction) for us. They havent been in the past.
I'm not saying to not include Don. If Highland is the venue so be it. It's not $5 for a round. It's $5 for a round and a better facility to end at. It has:
-Better Parking -Better Access -Equal course -Facility that all players can get inside an sit once it's done. we are not getting 54 players plus the public inside Hyland Brewery. who wants to be the ones to be stuck outside leaning against the railing at Hyland after logging 3 rounds? Not me. y
You are paying $5 for amenity and comfort. Again this is just my opinion because we were asked which course we should end at. I say add $7 to the $54 entry fee to cover the Webster greens fees and all the other things you pointed out previously and be done with it. But again, this is just my opinion.
I don't see Webster reducing the greens fees. They have been asked a bunch of times and it's always the same answer. I know we see it as shortsighted because we are buying drinks that, by the way, are already highly discounted from any regular establishment you would be at. To continue to ask them the same question about reducing greens fees at this point to me just seems rude. But again, that's just my opinion.
I'm with Gary on this one. I enjoy Hylands as well, but the long drive after playing two courses that are pretty close together really seems weird when there is a neutral course in that same area.
Hylands can accommodate 54 players like they did last year. We were just in the back of the establishment.
Either way thanks for doing what you do STEVE. We are truly blessed to have you run such a great pro event
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