Finals Locations / Players

Joe Yaskis · Post by **Joe Yaskis** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:47 pm

Pete run for Commish.

You have great suggestions and you could implement your ideas.

But I guess you would like to see someone else do it.

I dont know about you guys but I'm heading to Thompson, camping there, and chucking some frozen discs all night.

I want to throw an Epic at Matt D.

Wu Tang-

Steve Solbo · Post by **Steve Solbo** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:50 pm

PeteT wrote:Teams are exercising their democratic right to select from a pre-chosen list of three courses.

For next year I'd like to suggest that each team be allowed to nominate either an existing course or a temporary one as their teams selection for the finals with the caveat that the nominating team (and not the commissioner) is responsible for organizing the logistics of playing at that location. I would like to see the rule added that teams can not nominate their home course but other teams can nominate someone elses home course if they want.

If Buff wishes to get the required permits for playing at Logan airport and install the temp course then I am very interested in seeing the layout they propose.

Personally I joined the league because I wanted a reason to play at other courses. I'd love to see the finals be at some showcase course I might not ordinarily play (within reasonable distance) or perhaps be a safari layout at a course we've already played during normal challenge matches (for example Maple Hill in reverse).

Good ideas.

I like em.. be tough to sort out if 8 teams nominated 8 different places.

Bobby Direnzo · Post by **Bobby Direnzo** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:10 pm

mike d wrote:I do like West Thompson. One of my favorite NE courses. The reason to find a better site for a neutral challenge has nothing to do with my personal opinion of the course. WT is a lot like Buff, it has mostly open, with some lightly wooded holes. Barre offers more elevation, Tully is hardly played by anyone. Another thing I already mentioned is that WT is located 15 mins. from Buff. The opportunity to learn the course is far greater than for other teams.

Resume the childish remarks now BOB.

No childish remarks here just wondering why a man at your calipar is scared someone will get an edge on you? I dont think Timmy is gonna sneak there and play some rounds to get an edge which I believe may be your only threat dont you think?

Mike Dussault · Post by **Mike Dussault** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:37 pm

No I don't think. Anybody could beat me on any given day.
Also, it is a team sport, I am not playing alone.

Bobby Direnzo · Post by **Bobby Direnzo** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:40 pm

mike d wrote:No I don't think. Anybody could beat me on any given day.
Also, it is a team sport, I am not playing alone.

I do like West Thompson. One of my favorite NE courses. The reason to find a better site for a neutral challenge has nothing to do with my personal opinion of the course. WT is a lot like Buff, it has mostly open, with some lightly wooded holes.

So your saying you dont have faith in you players at an open course? :scratch:

Andy Gallerani · Post by **Andy Gallerani** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:47 pm

I dont dislike WT either, im thinking along the same lines as Mike D. I think that WT plays to the strengths of buff and wick so I would prefer the finals to be at either Barre or Tully for that reason. In fact the one time that i went to WT i got an ace so ive certainly got some good memories from that place.
I was thinking about Pete T's idea as well, only difference was that I imagined two courses nominated per team then we would combine all of the suggestions into one ballot and have each team vote as we are doing this year. I would also say that the nominations would have to be neutral courses so i suspect that there would be some overlap in the nominations. I think for this year we are doing just fine with the courses that Joe proposed and that going forward we can start to implement some of the future state ideas. We are forging some new ground here though so it is difficult to foresee any issues that people are having until we come to them. Disagreements are to be expected, especially in these first few years, i think if we air them now then we will have a much better setup in the future. However I can also understand where Joe is coming from because it does seem that he gets dumped on the most when issues arise. We just need to remember that this is all about having a good time playing some winter golf with some good people.

Andy Gallerani · Post by **Andy Gallerani** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:49 pm

Bobby D wrote:
mike d wrote:No I don't think. Anybody could beat me on any given day.
Also, it is a team sport, I am not playing alone.

I do like West Thompson. One of my favorite NE courses. The reason to find a better site for a neutral challenge has nothing to do with my personal opinion of the course. WT is a lot like Buff, it has mostly open, with some lightly wooded holes.

So your saying you dont have faith in you players at an open course?

Bob, WT plays a lot like Buff and Wick and not very much like the other courses that are represented in this team challenge. I imagine that is what Mike is trying to say although Im certainly not trying to speak for him but I can empathize with where he is coming from.

Steve Solbo · Post by **Steve Solbo** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:59 pm

For next year, I propose a "Charter"... some of my preliminary ideas for said charter.

Min/Max team sizes, fee structure, i.e. per team, I dont care how you get money from your team members, penalties for not paying on time, i.e. being docked strokes at finals.

Finals format, (subject to vote by el capitans) I love the dubs then trips set up though, it really gives ANY team a chance, and emphasizes overall TEAM STRENGTH.

Commissioner "Terms" like the president, getting new blood in every couple years would be cool, 2 year terms seem to work, maybe 3, commish's can't come from same team back to back terms.

Commish only get's "Certain" Powers, I am envisioning things like FEE per team, and deciding on what questions are to be voted on for league captains.

I also know that Joe has done a great job for this leagues first 3 years, and got this thing off the ground, and it can't be done alone... maybe a "Vice Commish" is needed.

All questions that need to be answered at an end of the year party/poker game, maybe after finals?

Bobby Direnzo · Post by **Bobby Direnzo** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:59 pm

Uhh I get it that makes sense so lets find a course that fits Boarderlands and Devens that all tight long holes so It makes it suitable for you guys...thats all you had to say..

Steve Solbo · Post by **Steve Solbo** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:02 pm

Bobby D wrote:Uhh I get it that makes sense so lets find a course that fits Boarderlands and Devens that all tight long holes so It makes it suitable for you guys...thats all you had to say..

Wahhhh.

Burgess votes for BARRE. Because it's MORE LIKE BURGESS then the OTHERS. So there.

I would HOPE that captains choose the course based on their percieved Strength, i.e. Burgess excels at tight, technical courses, so bring it on.

Steve Solbo · Post by **Steve Solbo** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:03 pm

Bobby D wrote:Uhh I get it that makes sense so lets find a course that fits Boarderlands and Devens that all tight long holes so It makes it suitable for you guys...thats all you had to say..

Can you really blame us BOB we are very skeerd of those epic throwing fools on Team Buff :wink:

Bobby Direnzo · Post by **Bobby Direnzo** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:30 pm

Steve-O wrote:
Bobby D wrote:Uhh I get it that makes sense so lets find a course that fits Boarderlands and Devens that all tight long holes so It makes it suitable for you guys...thats all you had to say..

Can you really blame us BOB we are very skeerd of those epic throwing fools on Team Buff

Uhh poor baby.. I dont throw epics I just back hand :bom:

s. Were ever you guys need the advantage to "TRY" and win.. :shock:

Andy Gallerani · Post by **Andy Gallerani** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:32 pm

In all seriousness, what are we going to do if there is a tie. It looks like it is gonna shake down to 4 barre (devens, bland, mh, and burgess) and 4 WT (buff, NASA, tolland, and wick). Hopefully tolland will pick based on their perceived strength like the Barre voters did....
Bob you are too much sometimes man. DO you ever get tired of $hit talking? I would if I did it even half as much as you do.

Bobby Direnzo · Post by **Bobby Direnzo** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:35 pm

andyga999 wrote:Bob you are too much sometimes man. DO you ever get tired of $hit talking? I would if I did it even half as much as you do.

Thats like saying I get tired of my good looks...NOPE!! Now eat it BIACH!!

Andy Gallerani · Post by **Andy Gallerani** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:42 pm

Dont break your own arm patting yourself on your back.

Criteria for coolness: funk mad random bitches, drive a fast car, and flaunt it all as much as possible? You seem like a pro athlete minus the million dollar income.
You should start a league just for [bleep] talkers like yourself. It would be almost like battle rappers but instead you make fun of each other. OH WAIT! Wilmer Valderama had a show about this, and it sucked. You should contact him and see if you can have a new season of episodes filmed, that way nobody can watch them just like the first time it was on.

Bobby Direnzo · Post by **Bobby Direnzo** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:04 pm

andyga999 wrote:Dont break your own arm patting yourself on your back.

Criteria for coolness: [bleep] mad random bitches, drive a fast car, and flaunt it all as much as possible? You seem like a pro athlete minus the million dollar income.
You should start a league just for [bleep] talkers like yourself. It would be almost like battle rappers but instead you make fun of each other. OH WAIT! Wilmer Valderama had a show about this, and it sucked. You should contact him and see if you can have a new season of episodes filmed, that way nobody can watch them just like the first time it was on.

Ill look into that thanks.. :lol:

Steve Solbo · Post by **Steve Solbo** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:07 pm

In all seriousness, BOB is the Anthony Smith (Pittsburgh Steelers) of Team Challenge.

guarenteein shiz.

Bobby Direnzo · Post by **Bobby Direnzo** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:14 pm

Steve-O wrote:In all seriousness, BOB is the Anthony Smith (Pittsburgh Steelers) of Team Challenge.

guarenteein shiz.

Hell no MOFO!! Im a pats fan sorry buddy.. :lol:

I still hate you! :wink:

Steve Solbo · Post by **Steve Solbo** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:19 pm

I guarentee BOB loses to whomever he plays AT burgess.

Andy Gallerani · Post by **Andy Gallerani** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:39 pm

Steve-O wrote:I guarentee BOB loses to whomever he plays AT burgess.

When is buff going to the Burg? Im too lazy right now to look it up

Steve Solbo · Post by **Steve Solbo** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:40 pm

andyga999 wrote:
Steve-O wrote:I guarentee BOB loses to whomever he plays AT burgess.

When is buff going to the Burg? Im too lazy right now to look it up

February.

discglfr05 · Post by **discglfr05** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:54 pm

andyga999 wrote:In all seriousness, what are we going to do if there is a tie. It looks like it is gonna shake down to 4 barre (devens, bland, mh, and burgess) and 4 WT (buff, NASA, tolland, and wick). Hopefully tolland will pick based on their perceived strength like the Barre voters did.....

I'd say in case of a tie, we let Joe make the final decision, of course, seeing as he's already voted for WT, everyone who didn't vote for WT will complain again. Honestly, all 3 choices are ACOE lands, hence, for the most part, they're fairly similar...partly open, partly wooded and some water hazards...some differences in elevation changes

Team Burgess has already beaten two solid teams on their respective home courses....courses that are played REGULARLY by the members of both home teams and Burgess still won...what does this say about "perceived strengths" at any course be it during the regular season or the finals?.....perceived is the key word. As has been mentioned by others, I'll go with the final say and I think Joe should have that say if it ends up being a tie.

Andy Gallerani · Post by **Andy Gallerani** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:09 pm

discglfr05 wrote:
andyga999 wrote:In all seriousness, what are we going to do if there is a tie. It looks like it is gonna shake down to 4 barre (devens, bland, mh, and burgess) and 4 WT (buff, NASA, tolland, and wick). Hopefully tolland will pick based on their perceived strength like the Barre voters did.....

I'd say in case of a tie, we let Joe make the final decision, of course, seeing as he's already voted for WT, everyone who didn't vote for WT will complain again. Honestly, all 3 choices are ACOE lands, hence, for the most part, they're fairly similar...partly open, partly wooded and some water hazards...some differences in elevation changes

Team Burgess has already beaten two solid teams on their respective home courses....courses that are played REGULARLY by the members of both home teams and Burgess still won...what does this say about "perceived strengths" at any course be it during the regular season or the finals?.....perceived is the key word. As has been mentioned by others, I'll go with the final say and I think Joe should have that say if it ends up being a tie.

I dont like this option but I see no other way to do it. Maybe another option would be to play at Tully, thus making everyone's vote mute and not be partial to one side or the other. Calling all Tollanders, make your voice heard in support of Barre. You know you want to
Or mayb Wick will throw a curveball at our perception of what they will do and not vote for WT, but id be pretty darn surprised if that were the case.

discglfr05 · Post by **discglfr05** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:15 pm

Shouldn't you sway them to Tully just as much as Barre?....considering the issue here seems to be with perceived strengths at WT, unless there's some other reason you're pushing Barre?

I'm just messin with ya Andy cuz it's Friday and I'm feeling punchy 8-)

Andy Gallerani · Post by **Andy Gallerani** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:19 pm

discglfr05 wrote:Shouldn't you sway them to Tully just as much as Barre?....considering the issue here seems to be with perceived strengths at WT, unless there's some other reason you're pushing Barre?

I'm just messin with ya Andy cuz it's Friday and I'm feeling punchy

Anywhere but WT, you make a good point Andrew. And I realize that you are just messing, you're a good guy and I wouldnt take what you say in any other way.

Shaun LaForce · Post by **Shaun LaForce** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:16 pm

Tolland, vote Tully. That will null the tie and we will then have it at Barre. You know you wanna.

Allen Smith · Post by **Allen Smith** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:19 pm

Oh man I like all three courses, I must lean towards Tully and Barre, but I wll post my final decision tomorrow after meditating on it.

Won't the dam courses be flooded in the spring?

Dave Mourad · Post by **Dave Mourad** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:19 pm

LaForce wrote:Tolland, vote Tully. That will null the tie and we will then have it at Barre. You know you wanna.

I vote Nully to Tull the tie....gotz to speak with the rest of the team though - and yes I'll be 'der 'der 'der for the next bout in Jan.

Todd Lapham · Post by **Todd Lapham** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:52 pm

If there's a tie, the team in first place at the end of the regular season should be the deciding vote.

Matt DeAngelis · Post by **Matt DeAngelis** » Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:53 pm

Todd Lapham wrote:If there's a tie, the team in first place at the end of the regular season should be the deciding vote.

That is a good idea.