Northampton Disc Golf

[Felix Harvey]

I've been meaning to say that Bucket was only taking stills with his videocam. I got this info from him on Saturday.

Back to the thief watch: if you have any tips for us, don't try to apprehend the violator by yourself. Call Jason.

Here's my sentimental value: I bought it with my own cash and donated it to the course, added the extra chains myself (again my cash). The new pole was bought recently by the club, and so the total value of the stolen basket is well over $200. Not to mention all the volunteer efforts and hours to buy it and install it.

C'mon dude(s) if you don't return it, you will pay the price, whether it's at the hands of the one named Johnson and the other clubbers, or burning in disc golf hell for eternity. You thought your putting game sucked before?

[Isaac Bromberg]

Thanks to whoever has buffed up some of the tee signs. Keep up the good work. Let me know if you want help.

[Felix Harvey]

Thanks to all who've been spiffing up the place. Keeping the course playable, continuing to improve the alternate layouts.

I hear a rumor about alternate 2-3-4. What's the plan, men?

[Felix Harvey]

People - its time to remember what this free course is all about. Freedom isn't free. In the case of this Public land, which is owned by the state and leased by Smith Vocational and Agricultural High School for Agricultural purposes, the price is we get along with other users, and hopefully better than they often get along with us. Specifically the dogwalkers, most of which are kind, gentle and respectful like most of us, must be offered up that which is often difficult. For example if you see one of them littering, say nothing if it can't be made with the utmost respect. Next time you're at the course, take it upon yourself to remove one piece of somebody else's litter. You could even bring a bag and pick up a few doggy stools, and carry them away and dispose of them properly. Next time you're tempted to say something obnoxious to a dogwalker about the sewage they just left behind, or when a dog comes out of "nowhere" to ruin your favorite disc, don't. Chalk it up as your price of admission on that day.

It has come to my attention that over use of this protected land has risen to the point that if we can't justify being there by continuing to be low impact and actually getting along with all the other users of the land, the course may be in jeapardy. I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP. This has to do with all of us getting along and the above mentioned rules of engagement - and if you're going to yell at a dog walker or litter yourself, play somewhere else and don't ruin it for the rest of us. This includes cigarette butts, slim jim wrappers, bud light(or name your brand of beverage) containers, broken mowers, poorly construed pruning jobs where you leave prunings for others to clean up, and messy tee pad installations.

Peace and disc golf forever on public conservation land, please do your parts, Felix

[Jason Charpentier]

Since the basket for hole #14 has been moved considerably closer to the tee pad is this hole now considered a par 3? If so, does that make the course a par 55 now?

[Chance Strom]

Since the basket for hole #14 has been moved considerably closer to the tee pad is this hole now considered a par 3? If so, does that make the course a par 55 now?

i think you mean 13. me n my buddies play it as a 55 though some of the more rugged guys at league play it 54. either way 13 is par 3 for now.

[Chance Strom]

Work day next sunday the 12th?

[Isaac Bromberg]

Yes. 9 am. Kelly Conroy is organizing.

[Chance Strom]

so gentlemen and women, any news on the course? observations on the course status, ideas? who's playin regularly these days? any verdict on the tree branch by the basket on 18? and what's up with our own tourny? some thing low key for the people who call this their home course.

[Jason Johnson]

We are having a ten year old anniversary this year at the State Hospital. Many of the dreams and aspirations that helped develop this course are coming to fruit. I have spent the last month or two creating a four hole loop that begins at hole 10 and brings you back to hole 11. Juano, Pete, Dave, my sons Miles and Cole helped out a day or two, the meat of these holes were cut over about three weeks in late Feb. and early March.

When Felix Harvey and I walked the land with State Ag a decade ago we discussed giving some of the holes rest, depending on the season holes 2,3,4,5,8 were very difficult to play either after ice or during mud season. While the baskets were placed on the nose of the ridges, the trails that have developed as well as the repeated compaction and disturbance around the basket have discouraged vegetative growth, increased erosion, and impacted the native plant communities. We have experimented over the last few years by seeding the greens and bare areas, putting down wood chips and spreading hay. While these efforts have reduced the impact of foot traffic significantly, they have had minimal results from season to season.

Since we have had such a mild late winter and spring, I decided to try something different this year. I got a substantial amount of native grass, clover, and native plant seeds harvested on site, pulled some of the baskets out, seeded the fairways, and raked in the seed with organic compost. I've been building a fence and opening some more garden space so I've been using plugs of my own lawn, short rye grass and clovers to patch up otherwise bare fairways. THe plan is to give them about a month for the seed to get established and then open them up again for play. I have videotaped the entire process, so it should make for some interesting photographic evidence of this experiment.

The new holes utilized a portion of the gas line that was cleared last summer, a 30 foot swath down the fairway of twelve and continuing out to the lower fields, many golfers don't even know this land exists, or that the course is part of a larger chunk of land under APR (agricultural preservation restriction). While some of these areas are farmed or hayed, in early spring these fields the surrounding river floodplains and dynamic topography, not to mention big trees and rocks makes it ideal for a temporary layout, and potentially we may be able to expand the course or rest holes as needed and utilize other loops or layouts or pin and tee placements that provide a flexible change and provide new challenges. The loop includes a downhill shot, and uphill shot, OB water, a hillside shot amidst huge locust trees, and the last hole is nestled among large boulders dropped by glaciers and is on a small island. All of these holes have alternate tee locations and multiple pin placements. You can now play 9,10, A B C D, 11, long 9, long 10, long 11, and alt A B C D, a fourteen hole loop utilizing 8 baskets, all around the center field. So come and play it, please, signage and explanation will continue throughout this month of experimentation and testing, nothing is permanent, no tree over 4 inches was cut, most of the plant life removed was honeysuckle, asiatic bittersweet, multiflora rose, and japanese barberry, grape, locust. Barbed wire, and fence post stake removal is ongoing. But these holes sort of designed themselves, or as I said before they are the manifestation of a dream my crazy friend Felix Harvey had, that he saw over this landscape over ten years ago. He saw a disc golf paradise, and I think we are on our way to seeing that vision through.

Some people have been taken off guard by these changes which seem to be sudden and not well thought out. I assure you when I wasn't out there working on it, I was tossing and turning and obsessing about it at night. It took me over this spring, and I removed more invasive species this year that I have ever accomplished before, and the key was getting on it before things leafed out and spring "springs". I also have to go back to work beginning in April, so my own time was limited, I did what I could with the time I had. So, if anyone has any questions, in general or specifically about the new changes to the course, call me or email me, or PM me, I am around and do not avoid questions or criticism. I do know what I'm doing though, and prior to becoming a professional watershed and wetland restoration ecologist, I was a master gardener. If you are interested in learning how to eradicate, manage, battle invasive plant species on your property or course, please come over and see what we are up to, after a decade every fairway is a story of battles and glory, blood and guts. See you out there. 413-320-3386

Peace,

JJ

[Isaac Bromberg]

Jason,

Thank you for your detailed and thoughtful explanation. It’s obvious from the amount of time and effort that you put into making this course great that you care a great deal about it, and that your motivations are honest.

As you are aware, many people were confused and perhaps even shocked by the apparent abruptness with which things happened. I think this has to do with not being informed, and not having an opportunity for discussion.

There are many dozens of people who come out to play, who have no idea how much work it takes, and has taken, to create and maintain a disc golf course.

There is also a small group of people who are willing to help with this effort, but we need figure out how to be a little more organized, so we can communicate better, share ideas, and plan ahead.

Hopefully, your explanation of the process, and perhaps a few more signs, will allow people to understand what’s going on, get familiar with the new layout, and get back to having fun.

Thanks again for all the work that you do. Let’s try to work together so that the burden, and the rewards are shared more equally.

Isaac

[Brian Giggey]

I'm actually a big fan of the new holes. Very surprised when I got there to not see holes 2-4, but I figured I'd give the new holes a try.

The Bad
1.) Signage. The wording at the message board is confusing. All the time and hard work you put into it, and there aren't even small arrows point to the next tee, or paper maps (similar to Conway) on how the hole flows so you don't have to walk up the fairway to see the basket. That's a shame. Once again, SIGNAGE is a huge problem in disc golf as wayfinding and it's associated stress that comes with confusion in an environment makes or breaks someones willingness to return.

2.) Floodplains and Erosion. You cross right through a floodplain to get down to A and back up to B. When going up to B, the slope is so steep that a lot of the top soil is already incredibly loose. Give it a rain or two and that organic matter and top soil will be gone. Roots and new growth help stabilize, but it's already so loose I'm not sure that will matter.

3.) C tee pad. Flatten it out with a shovel.

The Good
1.) Giving holes a break. It's like alternate baskets to reduce soil compaction in specific areas, just at a much larger scale.

2.) A-C. I personally love the holes. A is a great shot, probably one of the coolest on the course. B's drive is ok (walk around sucks, but there isn't much you can do), but the upshot is wonderful. With all that topography, its a great shot to have in your bag and one that isn't tested much on this course. If the center tree on the upshot gets limbed up so you actually have a chance to make it to the basket, then it's probably one of the most rewarding and testing par 3's on the course. C is a great flick hole and moves you to one of the most gorgeous parts of the course under that Locust canopy that provides a gorgeous yellow backdrop for hole 10 in the fall.

In summary, I really do like the holes and look forward to seeing what happens next. I'm not in the club or part of the meetings, but it sounds like more people should have been involved/clued in on this project before it just up and happened. That being said, its in now and I'm always up for work days if my schedule allows, so just reach out.

[Titan Bariloni]

nice..last time I was there I thought I wonder if they could use the gas line area...can't wait to check it out

also we are now in erosion prevention stage at tully..we have not lost it yet..and the plan was always included for long term sustainability by wood chipping areas and staying away from certain other areas

erosion else where around country at DGC is an issue..the longer are courses are in the ground the same thing will happen here unless we take measures

well anyways TY for the hard works..nice to see a DG crew "reviving" the land and preventing/fixing this issue..just goes to show ya how much the core crew at a course really loves the land and is responsible in sustaining the land for future generations to enjoy

[Chance Strom]

Thanks for the update JJ, and your sweat.

[Glen Talbot]

I very much appreciate all the maintenance and design work down by the founders and others who keep Northampton a great place to throw. I also pick up trash everytime I walk through and help keep it clean. As for the new holes... I have to admit that I do not like them. Most everyone I play with has the same opinion. Instead, we have been playing 9, 10 and 11 twice but mixing up the tee or basket. The first of the new holes is ok, but the others are just too rustic (Steep, overgrown, wet)... I hope the old holes return soon or better plans are made. I understand why the changes were made and respect the powers-that-be. I just like a clean, groomed course that is both challenging, but managable as well.

[Jason Johnson]

Well, a return to this discussion on this page is long overdue...my apologies for not being more prompt. First of all, the lack of information about some holes being rested and other temp holes installed is because as a club we DO NOT MEET REGULARLY, in fact, we don't meet at all. Not only do we not meet, but no one in the club is given on a regular basis an update of fundraising efforts, needs for course improvement, public relations, or communications with our partner, Smith Vocational High School. That being said, after league and when pressed, the treasurer of the club has met with me and others to discuss the needs of the course and remedies to some common and specific problems we face at the Disc Golf Course at Northampton.

At one of these meetings it was "approved" by the members present that the reinstallation of sleevesinto appropriate amounts of concrete was necessary to ensure the safety of the equipment, as hole #4 had been pushed over and carried out. These included holes 2-4, these areas also see the highest volume of erosion and degradation directly related to disc golf foot traffic. For this reason, and due to the lack of regular meetings, despite many requests, I took it upon myself, to remedy that situation. The holes were closed for 1 month, grass was planted, hay was spread, wood chips were placed onto footpaths. The results were positive, and many accolades were given. The members of the club who were not aware of the proposed (and this goes way back) changes, pouted, pointed fingers, and then proceeded to not allow me to participate in league, asked for written apologies for verbal confrontations that occurred years ago, and told me he was praying for me, whatever that means, to each his own. Since then, this is in March, I still have not been reimbursed for the sleeves, the cement, or the new locks, 3X the size and strength of the crackerjack locks that were "protecting the baskets". I have been told I will get no money from the club, by the treasurer, and furthermore that this person is taking over as the contact for the course. This person lives 30 miles from Northampton, was not involved in the formation of the course, or the club, and currently takes credit for the maintenance work done on the course, of which I have yet to actually see him do anything this year, and I am there 2-3 times per week, and usually work during league, since I do not wish to participate in such a farce, i.e. to collect $2 from each league player and not put it back into the immediate needs of the course which were at the time, sleeves, cement, and locks.
Since that time , a kind soul donated his riding mower to the course, where this person then took the keys, and split for 3 months, will not reimburse for a broken belt on this new mower, and basically put the course in a nearly unplayable state for the majority of the spring and summer. When I mowed the ENTIRE course in March with MY OWN riding mower, which cost me $250 to fix since the last time I broke the belts, mowing the course, it was to make playable the course for a CHARITY TOURNAMENT which a good chunk of money was raised for a good cause. We also had another CHARITY event, where a group of people came out for 1 day, and did some great work, but the majority of the rest of the spreading of wood chips, cutting of invasives, mowing with push mowers, weed whacking etc. was done by me, and over the last three months all I've gotten is attitude and being snubbed by what appears to be a fundamentalist Christian, on a course I created and put my soul into for 10 years.
SO, what does one DO in this situation???? Well the first thing I did was to make sure that everything went back to the way it was, the alternate holes were pulled, 2-5 went back in, and 13 and 14 which we lost during haying season, got pins set (in 80 lbs. of cement) in alternate locations. Then everything was photographed, because the pro-bono erosion control and native grass planting etc. looked so good, then I pulled off every single piece of MY equipment which made for 2 extra hole placements and 4 tees, and installed another course on YMCA property so that kids in our area can discover disc golf and learn to play it on a course where they don't have to wade through knee high grass and deal with idiots, who put alternate tee locations in the middle of poison ivy patches. These people do not really care about this course, or the people who created it, or the people who play it. They are using a checking account, to control a situation because they have never created a course and this one has been made easy to take over, albeit not well, very sad. So, I'm depressed, but not despondent, and determined to continue to do what's right for this course and all other public courses. My private mower is out there, I continue to do the work, for now. But I will not support, not financially, not materially, and not fundamentally an organization that claims to be in control so much, but cannot meet on a monthly basis, or provide documentation as to the amount that it is raising, where it is coming from and where it is going, and have membership voting with full disclosure, not in last minute e-votes which was done last month in the hope of buying a 2,000 brush hog which will no doubt reside at the home of the treasurer, along with the other walk behind mower that also has been financially supported by the club, 30 miles away from the course and where it does not see action enough.
It pains me to say this, and I apologize to the members of NEFA through whose generosity this course was allowed to exist, and has inspired me to work so hard for this course and the sport that I love so much..but DO NOT GIVE ANY MONEY TO NONOTUCK DISC GOLF CLUB UNTIL IT GETS ITS ACT TOGETHER. A club that does not meet on a regular basis and have some mode of operation that everyone can actively participate in, is not really a club, it's a front for someone's personal ego trip, and that I cannot be part of.
I'm starting a new organization called the Western Massachusetts Disc Golf Association that will be dedicated to course installation and maintenance. It will be centered around a cooperative tool bank, beginning with my tools, 4 pole saws, weed whackers, chain saws, mowers, multi-tools, and involve fundraising assistance to clubs and courses evolving in Western Massachusetts. Stay tuned for more info, and as always its better to call me 413-320-3386...

[Dave Jackson]

Thank's JJ.

It's too bad all the work you've always put into the course is going to seize. You are very good at it.

It stinks when a person takes the wind out of your sails. Makes ya just change directions and keep on sailing


Keep on keepin' on.....

[Karl Molitoris]

When I first got into dg years ago, I wasn't a fan of "private" or "pay to play" courses as I thought "here's a sport that the masses can enjoy terms gratis". But as I get older and hear more horror stories (like this one) of 'public' courses - and all their BS regarding control of it, funds, etc., I'm leaning towards the "one person rules all...you either like it (and play there) or you don't (and don't)...but at least ONE person "makes the rules" (which simplifies things a LOT).

Hang in there Jason; there are some of us who DO appreciate your fervor for the course and dg in general.

Karl

[Glenn Hause]

Without starting a discussion on Political Science 101..the absolute monarch works well if its Julius Caesar with good intentions, not so well if its Adolph.. oh well.

Having just started a private DG course at PCC, it pains me to hear of these horror stories as well as those involving basket thefts, etc. and prompts me to wonder what we got ourselves in to. Then we have a Legends and Masters event and I meet a bunch of wonderful people dedicated to their sport and I realize why this works most of the time. JJ, I've shared similar grunt moments in working the land for DG creation, and respect the blood , sweat and tears (decent band) that I'm sure you've accumulated over the years. When I'm faced with the obstacle of arseholes I vent and rant, then try to remember the good people who are what really matter, and whom I'm sure really respect what you've done. Good luck.

[Karl Molitoris]

My point Glenn was that on a private course there WILL be an absolute monarch...and it will behoove him to be benevolent (or no one will want to play in his sand box). But in municipal situations it's unlikely that there will be ONE person and thus things get muddied up.

Karl

[Titan Bariloni]

Jj...i am interested in your new cause...i will call you after my trip to the south

[Chance Strom]

JJ,
#1 I don't understand what his religion has to do with it.
#2 How close to a course does one need to live to be part of it?

That being said, the course needs you dude. It would never be the same without ya. It's your baby. But I'm pretty sure Andy loves the course too. Neither of you get to dictate what the course needs though, or what league funds get spent on. Where is "the club" on this? I have no doubt that you both want what is best for the course, there is just a major communication issue happening.
I appreciate any work done on the course, I barely have time to play at all these days, and when I do, mowing is the last thing on my mind!
So, again, thanks for your sweat Jason. Don't succumb to the frustration.

[Jason Johnson]

Religion does not have anything to do with it, unless those beliefs are being pushed onto people or used to proclaim some higher authority...and then I can do what my human brain thinks is right...etc. In the midst of an undemocratic process, to raise that "I am being prayed for", I mean it just takes me out of the context of what is going on there, and makes me ask questions, like why and what for. On a more comedic note, I thought while I was mowing in 91 degree weather, maybe he's praying for me so that I don't get heat stroke and stop mowing, thats a nice thought, isn't it ? And you don't have to live locally to support a club, I belong to many, Oak Grove and Chavez Ridge in LA and So.Cal, I live 3,500 miles away, they get my $$ because I like what they are doing and this is the way that clubs thrive.
Second, the where is the club? is the exact question I am asking, as did 2 out of state visitors who called me and who were incredulous about the state of what is obviously a popular DGC. I was told I was outvoted on the brush hog issue 7-1 which I do not recall there being 8 of us in our current club, another sad state of the nation, we should number in the dozens, at least. We had paid dues, which should have been annual, we should be fundraising, we should be paying for the things that keep the course going. However, this course, with these particular people has been a ten year uphill battle, to get tee pads, to get course discs, to run tournaments.

So this is just a wake up call to folks out there starting out, trying to get it right. Create a club, identify roles (officers) who have designated responsibilities, have a board of directors who guides the long term goals of your course and doesn't get mired in the day to day BS, create a legion of disc golf fanatics who will make time to get things done, stay organized, demand regular meetings and updates of your fundraising goals and needs, communicate with the public, and if your on a multi use area do things that complement the other users of the area because they are also your allies, and appreciate your work, for the greater good of everyone.
I cleared a lot of the walking paths, removed garbage at the entrance, and talked to nearly 200 people at Noho that had nothing to do with disc golf, and now every time I see them they smile and say hello, they pick up after their dog, and they say positive things about disc golf and golfers to the community.

And finally, though I am happy to continue this thread because its important, that nothing and nobody is accomplishing their goal of edging me out. I mowed this morning, I cut out some invasive honeysuckle, I will be there, because I love that place and believe in what it represents, "anarchy in action" as an old timer put it to me the other day. Then I went and pulled a bunch of invasive plants out of a lake with Fish and Wildlife.

What spurns these manifestos is the level of arrogance, and vengeful behavior, from people I trusted to do the good work with me, people I even considered friends. But all things pass, and people with true hearts persevere. Look at Crane Hill, which I was involved with from the beginning, and now despite the actions of a few, or one... they are thriving, board of directors, great club, great course, they are getting it done and setting a fine example of how an organization CAN work. So set it up right, from the get go, and you may not wind up in the mess we find ourselves in now in Northampton.

Best to you, thanks for your kind words and supportive statements. Don't get heat stroke.

[Glen Talbot]

Ok, so a lot of this sounds like group politics. Just like with a band or community group, there is always internal head-butting. There is always two sides to the story. I like everyone that's a part of the Nototuck group and would rather not choose sides, but instead suggest you think beyond yourselves and create a foundation that will exist regardless of any individual. In the end, its us, the common player that feels the pain. I appreciate everyone that has put effort into the Noho course and spends so much time maintaining it. I myself have spent time there this year mowing and weed wacking just to help. I was using the donated mower when the belt broke and have been out there a couple times now to try and fix it. But, broke the belt again. I suspect its not a belt problem, but something that is causing the belts to break. We will try to get it fix asap, but without taking the mower away, its a bit hard to do.

I for one hugely agree that a brush mower would be a good investment bacuse the ride-on mowers have a hard time with it. I have offered to donate towards it, I would ever help organize a fund raising tournement. I think with a little thought, it could be located on the grounds and locked up to allow for access to it.

I'd like to see a course layout made more formal (permanent) and suggest adding signs, tee-structure, and possible trash cans. I can probably design and donate the signs, and would help with trash. I constantly pick up trash as I play anyway.

Please, put differences aside and let's get that course back in shape... so many people enjoy it and I'd hate to see it abandoned.

Thanks,
Glen

[Kelly Conroy]

Glen, you are right. Most of this is group politics, but I can assure anyone reading this thread, that everyone involved, and I mean everyone has the course's best interest in mind, albeit some views of the course's best interest are different than others. Admittedly, I don't help as much as most of the others. I don't have the truck, equipment, or time to dedicate to pruning Noho every week. Maybe someday that will change, but just not now. That being said, I don't beleive that I have as much pull as others who have put in the time, but I still beleive that we all need to get on the same wavelength and put our friggin attitudes and egos to the side. The course and the players are suffering the most. There are no single people who have total control. This should be a group effort, and hopefully our group will forget about all this drama and move on quickly.

P.S. thank you for the Talbot mower. Much appreciated and very generous!

[Dan Hale]

I think Kelly has hit it on the head.

JJ in case you missed it, read my post from a while back...

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My last three interactions with Jason, have been him attacking me. Twice face to face and once through harassing and threatening voicemails. Thank god I had witnesses to all of these interactions. I have seen him do this to the Nonontuck Disc Golf Club members on several occasions over the last 5 years or so. I am tired of your bullying and no one should be subjected to it. People are beginning to see your true colors Jason and it is leading to people not wanting to work with you. Your renegade actions lately at NoHa (moving baskets under the guise of temporary relocation to name one) without discussing it with the rest of the club is unacceptable. To perform a bunch of unapproved work at the course and then ask for money for expenses that were not club approved is wrong.

You cite the developments at Crane as the right thing to do, but that is a complete 180 degree turn from what you said to me the last time we were face to face. Remember, right after you told me "the course looked liked [bleep], and I don't know what you're doing at Crane Hill but you're not making any friends, so good luck getting the things you want done". You have also singled me out in your last post. So what is it? What do you want? You receive ample credit for your help in the preliminary stages of Crane Hill, but after the first 12 months of the project you were nowhere to be found, especially after you realized the basket purchase was not going to be orchestrated by you.


On a side note Davis and I started this project at Crane Hill because we love the game and we wanted to create a free place to play (pay to play and the Country Club experience at private courses IS the future of the sport, which I like) for all to enjoy without anyone profiting from it. I hate to see our creation taken advantage of and exploited for financial gains. We have a great relationship with the town and are in a unique position where we have funding avenues that other public courses do not have. We also now have five other players/residents who are part of the Board, who hopefully will continue to support our vision and move it FURTHUR (for all you Tim fans out there). The board was established to prevent a repeat of the NoHa situation.

[Kelly Conroy]

There is no room in disc golf for bullying, violence, and/or threats. I hope that this will NEVER happen again...to or from anyone...EVER. I really hope everyone involved can wash their hands of this experience, forgive EVERYONE involved, and move on toward the greater good.

[Jason Johnson]

There is a big difference between kneeling down and bending over...

10 years I've spent working on a course, sometimes alone, sometimes with the other co-creator, sometimes with a small group of dedicated individuals. There is always room for more people to come and help, to participate in what should be a group effort.

I see a lot of positive comments. I'm glad someone else is understanding how difficult and expensive, it can be to fix equipment that is broken down 1/2 mile from the nearest paved road, but, now you know, now you understand. The thing to remember about our recent debacle is that the entire place was mowed, to an inch level, and that the person who wants to buy the brush hog took the keys home, for months, so that no one else could maintain the course, so that they could allow this to play out. So sad, so sad.

[Jason Johnson]

Thanks Talbot's for mowing 9,10,11, and fixing the mower, be sure to ask the club to pay for it. I cleaned up what I could with the walk behind. 1, 12, and 18 are done. Leave the long stuff, and around the pins, the push mower and weed whacker can deal with that. The mower is next to the path going up to 12. If you need anything else, let me know.


Thanks Jay...

[Jay Bayer]

Thats enough kids! don't make me pull this thread over?