WT, TullyRock, Tolland Playoff for 1 spot in A Pool Finals!!

[Steve Solbo]

I'm sure the earth will still be here. I disagree with the total pts scored aspect. Every team would need to have the same ammnt of players present at each match to make that work. I've had to sit people in just about every match we played. Those are points that we could have won. That doesn't work. West T and Tully good season guys and good luck in the B pool finals. Hopefully we can represent well in the A pool. TT

Exactly Shawn, the only thing "good" thing this does would reward teams that travel better, but they still gotta play against a home team with good numbers, it's such a variable number...

I AM JUST USING THE FOLLOWING AS A HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION. (Sorta true though)

West Thompson only ends up by one point in the "Points Tiebreaker" they used an extra MAN in the last challenge... Tully Rock also used various people to fill roster slots this year, Cranbury brought in a couple guys that couldn't qualify just so we could play 12 on 12. Teams with a broad base of players would be at a huge advantage, they could employ a strategy to use as many locals as possible to really full rosters.

This tiebreaker is equivalent to a participatory "Blue Ribbon", woo hoo! we brought the most people to challenges this year... if anything, using points, it should be a +/- rating. i.e. MARGIN of victory, not, total points. Margin of Victory actually shows the "strength" of a team vs. the SAME exact schedules, granted, some home, some away.

but I digress.. good idea though Greg to figure out a Tiebreaker for this, the league has struggled with this, mainly due to small no. of matches... sample size for the numbers is really small... common opponents could be 3rd...

[Greg Aucoin]

A 3 way tie could happen again next year.

We need an official ruling from Todd/Solbo on this, so it's clear.

Does one team not wanting to participate in the tiebreaker mean that there all of a sudden is no tiebreaker needed, you just go back to head to head?? I cannot possibly see how that would be the case.

I know it's settled that Tolland is going to the A pool, and acknowledge that they beat us head to head. However, that head to head tiebreaker would only apply if TullyRock were 2-3, and only WT and Tolland were tied at the end of the season.

[Greg Aucoin]

Margin of victory is a great stat to keep. I was actually thinking of that last night, but wanted to keep the number crunching to a 1 hour minimum in the wee hours of the morning.

[Steve Solbo]

Margin of victory is a great stat to keep. I was actually thinking of that last night, but wanted to keep the number crunching to a 1 hour minimum in the wee hours of the morning.

I hear ya man, just saying, Margin in that case would be more effective and more fair than total points.

[Nick Connell]

I like stats. Here are some B Pool Stats for the year. Correct me if I missed something. (and sure, mock me for actually doing this tally) 8-)

Margin of victory: Per Team

Capt. Lawrence = 47
W. Thompson = 27
Tolland = 11
NOHO = 8
Tully-Rock = 3
Panthorn = -64

Capt. Lawrence: Capt. 15-7 (NOHO), Capt 19-4 (P), Capt. 18-4 (TT), Capt 15-7 (TR), Capt. 13-11 (WT)
NOHO: 7-15 (CL), 19-4 (P), 11-12 in playoff (TT), 8-12 (TR), 11-13 (WT)
Panthorn: 4-19 (CL), 4-19 (NOHO), 3-21 (TT), 8-13 (TR), 6-17 (WT)
Tolland: 4-18 (CL), 12-11 in playoff (NOHO), 21-3 (P), 9-19 (TR), 15-13 (WT)
Tully-Rock: 7-15 (CL), 12-8 (NOHO), 13-8 (P) 19-9 (TT), 7-23 (WT)
W. Thompson: 11-13 (CL), 13-11 (NOHO), 17-6 (P), 13-15 (TT), 23-7 (TR)

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Margin of victory for Capt. Lawrence vs.

NOHO 8
Panthorn 15
Tolland 14
Tully-Rock 8
W. Thompson 2
TOTAL = 47

Margin of victory for W. Thompson vs.

Capt. Lawrence -2
NOHO 2
Panthorn 11
Tolland -2
Tully-Rock 16
TOTAL = 25

Margin of victory for NOHO vs.

Capt. Lawrence -8
Panthorn 15
Tolland -1
Tully-Rock -4
W. Thompson -2
TOTAL = 0

Margin of victory for Tolland vs.

Capt. Lawrence -14
NOHO 1
Panthorn 18
Tully-Rock -10
W. Thompson 2
TOTAL = -3

Margin of victory for Tully-Rock vs.

Capt. Lawrence -8
NOHO 4
Panthorn 5
Tolland 10
W. Thompson -16
TOTAL = -5

Margin of losses for Panthorn vs.

Capt. Lawrence -15
NOHO -15
Tolland -18
Tully-Rock -5
W. Thompson -11
TOTAL = -64

[Charlie Holmgren]

[Shawn Mullen]

Again.....that is all irrelevent unless there is the same ammnt of pts out there for every match. And there aren't. Cool stats tho.

[LeftyhasRights]

Mullen is a hater.

[Shawn Mullen]

Mullen is a hater.

Says the leader of the Shawn Mullen hater fan club.

[LeftyhasRights]

Its a hate club.

[Shawn Mullen]

I love haters.

[Rob Walker]

My only issue with this coming up at this time of year is that for TR's first three matches, we had an unexpected large lead at lunch time. Our second round strategy was based on fun, not racking up the numbers. If we knew that this could be a tie breaker at the end of the year, we would have done things rather differently.

[Nick Connell]

I agree. I hear you Rob and Mullen. I did the #'s just for fun, and b/c it was easy. It has no bearing on this year's results, and is in no way exhaustive or conclusive. Stats are just one means of looking at "what we just did," not the whole story by any means, nor for some people of any interest.

[Tim_Griskus]

I agree. I hear you Rob and Mullen. I did the #'s just for fun, and b/c it was easy. It has no bearing on this year's results, and is in no way exhaustive or conclusive. Stats are just one means of looking at "what we just did," not the whole story by any means, nor for some people of any interest.

Thanks for the Panthorn stats.... Geez Nick!

[Nick Connell]

Not a prob, TRB.

The stats don't define me or the team, so not much to be concerned about, IMO. For a first-year, young, mostly intermediate team ... I don't see anything to be ashamed about.

We came really close to beating a few teams. Several matches were quite close. We pulled off some great doubles and singles wins. I could go on, but hey ... I didn't play TC to win as much as the camaraderie and skill-sharpening over the winter months. Winning/losing take care of themselves. Looking at them shouldn't bruise oour eyes, but spur us on.

Just my , though, and I meant no offense to my fellow Panthornians.

[Tim_Griskus]

Not a prob, TRB.

The stats don't define me or the team, so not much to be concerned about, IMO. For a first-year, young, mostly intermediate team ... I don't see anything to be ashamed about.

We came really close to beating a few teams. Several matches were quite close. We pulled off some great doubles and singles wins. I could go on, but hey ... I didn't play TC to win as much as the camaraderie and skill-sharpening over the winter months. Winning/losing take care of themselves. Looking at them shouldn't bruise oour eyes, but spur us on.

Just my , though, and I meant no offense to my fellow Panthornians.

I know, you didn't need to explain yourself, I feel like playing thru the winter did wonders for my short game, I'm sharp and on point right now so I think that playing the TC allowed all of us the ability to keep playing thru the winter and not gather any rust.

FDR will be the first big test for me. Watch out INT field, I'm coming to play! And that means YOU ZORO!

[Mike Murphy]

Cool stats, Nick!