John ODonnell wrote:There's no doubt in my mind that an allstar b pool roster could beat a pool teams. It's not even a question. Sick of hearing the I'm old and have a family excuse for not having set schedules. So we should cater to your neices birthday party for a set date. Set schedule comes out Burgess vs. Whoever Feb 12th. It's October you now have time to rsvp for the birthday party and send a gift or if its that important u just cant go. You know what happens when people get older and have to spend more time with their families? They [bleep] retire. They don't make everyone else bend for their prostate exams and sister in laws dinner party. If anything u have plenty of time to set your family obligations around these beautifully preset schedules. And make up dates are only for blizzards and ice storms just make that clear problem solved. Such a stupid argument just step back and realize you're arguing for the sake of arguing.
B pool can go for it, I know 3 out of 8 A pool teams right now like the current system.
John ODonnell wrote:There's no doubt in my mind that an allstar b pool roster could beat a pool teams. It's not even a question. Sick of hearing the I'm old and have a family excuse for not having set schedules. So we should cater to your neices birthday party for a set date. Set schedule comes out Burgess vs. Whoever Feb 12th. It's October you now have time to rsvp for the birthday party and send a gift or if its that important u just cant go. You know what happens when people get older and have to spend more time with their families? They [bleep] retire. They don't make everyone else bend for their prostate exams and sister in laws dinner party. If anything u have plenty of time to set your family obligations around these beautifully preset schedules. And make up dates are only for blizzards and ice storms just make that clear problem solved. Such a stupid argument just step back and realize you're arguing for the sake of arguing.
Ridiculous to schedule that far out.
What if you get a major snow storm at the beginning of February, if you give a week or 2, there will be significantly less snow on the ground, thus making it safer for everyone, and before anyone says anything, pretty sure that last year, Burgess v. NASA was played in 2+ feet of snow. Fresh snow, most likely the most snow that anyone has played in the team challenge, snow was well past the knees and half way up the thigh.
personally think the set schedule would be better JMO but seems like change is a hard thing to do in this team challenge circuit so i guess we will likely stick with the same system next year.
and yea its insane to schedule that far in advance thats why the MLB, NFL, NHL, NBA, PGA, NASCAR, INDY, FIFA all wait till the month before they play someone to set the date, oh yea no their schedules are usually made a year in advance. just say hey the second weekend of the month is team challenge weekend then tournys wont be scheduled on that date and teams wont have to deal with that problem anymore. it really is a simple fix.
It's winter golf? We'll reschedule our February match cause there's snow on the ground we'll reschedule till august. What's ur point the snow last year never melted. If your too worried about your brittle bones breaking while playing in the snow, then don't participate. They only thing you accomplish in your scenario is the match never getting scheduled. Capt. 1 "oh there's too much snow on the ground let's move it to next week?" Capt. 2 next week doesn't work its lil jimmys birthday party how about we move it to March? Capt. 1 "can't there's the east butt f ice bowl that week how about march 14th?" Capt.2 " nope its my nanas 90th birthday". I could keep going.
John ODonnell wrote:There's no doubt in my mind that an allstar b pool roster could beat a pool teams. It's not even a question. Sick of hearing the I'm old and have a family excuse for not having set schedules. So we should cater to your neices birthday party for a set date. Set schedule comes out Burgess vs. Whoever Feb 12th. It's October you now have time to rsvp for the birthday party and send a gift or if its that important u just cant go. You know what happens when people get older and have to spend more time with their families? They [bleep] retire. They don't make everyone else bend for their prostate exams and sister in laws dinner party. If anything u have plenty of time to set your family obligations around these beautifully preset schedules. And make up dates are only for blizzards and ice storms just make that clear problem solved. Such a stupid argument just step back and realize you're arguing for the sake of arguing.
Ridiculous to schedule that far out.
What if you get a major snow storm at the beginning of February, if you give a week or 2, there will be significantly less snow on the ground, thus making it safer for everyone, and before anyone says anything, pretty sure that last year, Burgess v. NASA was played in 2+ feet of snow. Fresh snow, most likely the most snow that anyone has played in the team challenge, snow was well past the knees and half way up the thigh .
Steve, that's exactly what I mean about weather and pre set schedules making no difference.. You just ruined your own argument in the same post ya goof... I really can't see how a pre established schedule doesn't make things easier.. Why is it ridiculous to schedule that far out anyway? With it scheduled that far in advance your team has adequate time to prepare their schedules.. No confusion or mess.. That is the date. Period. Bring yo squad and compete...
kinda like ya smelt it ya dealt it....steve opened the worms of peeps wanting to schedule around their "best" players..I am getting the drift that is steve's issue...he wants to make sure all his ringers can come save him so he can spew burgess propaganda foreva...I doubt they can succeed with set schedules as they have some unflexible players proven this year!
I think sherlock just solved the steve makes no sense against all reality and common sense issue
this is where steve gives examples of how awesome burgess is to ravel all around the furtherst then anyone and how they will play anywhere anytime...IF their best players can show IMO!
and then I counter with well steve it suxed to schedule w/ burgess..and you said ya needed to get peeps qualified thus negating your other statements of we will play with 10 if needed
and then he counters with Cran ruined it all...!
and then I say Cran smoked ya and so will the Rock Starz!
Nothing gets changed mid season. Every year stuff comes up, and every year we vote and evolve. It's a little ridiculous to say that nothing changes in the TC, seeing as it's never been the same back to back years...
We def. need to clarify some things, it's not just a "simple fix."
-What happens if a team has prior obligations on that weekend? Forfeit? -What happens if there is bad weather? -What is the difference if you don't know it's Sat or Sun? Now you know what weekend and still don't know if you have to take work off. Still in the same boat as now!
This will all be discussed in the off season and I'm sure it will get worked out for the MAJORITY, it always does. No need for another Titan revolt. This is basically the same as regional discussion last year and not a single person actually stepped up and made regions with actual teams. Kelly is the only person that tried and he needed a phantom Maine and NH team to make a North East division that somehow included Burgess and had the two Borderland teams in different "regions" as well...
Bottom line is there are 350+ people that play in this, it's impossible to please everyone and they're is always going to be two camps no matter the subject. There is ZERO need for personal attacks or refusing to look at both sides. Hate to break it to you, but not everyone thinks alike and everything isn't always as black and white as it may seem.
I started a thread in the captains thread to get a pros and cons list established before we vote so teams don't blindly jump into a decision without realizing potential downsides. Make sure you relay your feelings/ideas to your captain.
This is basically the same as regional discussion last year and not a single person actually stepped up and made regions with actual teams. Kelly is the only person that tried and he needed a phantom Maine and NH team to make a North East division that somehow included Burgess and had the two Borderland teams in different "regions" as well...
I don't think peeps expect change today..just a discussion
your teammate suggest we split...so not really a revolt mentality
agreed there needs to be a few more teams to be a true fair regional setup..I can admit that...but I see it happening w/i 2 years tops...but if a balanced regional can be achieved then I would predict(bet) that captains vote for it..thus proving this league needs the B poolers more then they think as any new team would be B pool caliber IMO...also B pool prob could already achieve a regional balanced setup
The pro sports (MLB, NFL, NHL, NBA, PGA, NASCAR, INDY, FIFA) all have schedules to sell tickets for their fan base, schedule for refs, arenas,etc...
Local organized sports have to schedule for fields or ice time and refs, as most towns are limited with fields or have a bunch of other leagues going. Etc...
Team Challenge doesnt need refs scheduled or have to battle for field time against other leagues. Just sayin we have no real restriction by anybody in this world except our lives outside of disc golf and we should be grateful to be able to do that as a league with so many teams.
Team challenge is more like a big sandlot league. A bunch of working class peeps with families who play disc golf. We bring food, beer, and can play wherever and whenever we want. What other league can do that?
This decision is not solely rested on the team captains shoulders. A responsible team captain will consult their team on matters such as this so that everyones input is taken into account. I personally like the set schedule option for next year, but will need to check with the rest of the team to see what they think.
Matt DeAngelis wrote:This decision is not solely rested on the team captains shoulders. A responsible team captain will consult their team on matters such as this so that everyones input is taken into account. I personally like the set schedule option for next year, but will need to check with the rest of the team to see what they think.
Kory Roy wrote:personally think the set schedule would be better JMO but seems like change is a hard thing to do in this team challenge circuit so i guess we will likely stick with the same system next year.
and yea its insane to schedule that far in advance thats why the MLB, NFL, NHL, NBA, PGA, NASCAR, INDY, FIFA all wait till the month before they play someone to set the date, oh yea no their schedules are usually made a year in advance. just say hey the second weekend of the month is team challenge weekend then tournys wont be scheduled on that date and teams wont have to deal with that problem anymore. it really is a simple fix.
Lol. This is not a professional league, we are not the MLB, NFL, NHL, NBA, PGA, etc...
Kory Roy wrote:personally think the set schedule would be better JMO but seems like change is a hard thing to do in this team challenge circuit so i guess we will likely stick with the same system next year.
and yea its insane to schedule that far in advance thats why the MLB, NFL, NHL, NBA, PGA, NASCAR, INDY, FIFA all wait till the month before they play someone to set the date, oh yea no their schedules are usually made a year in advance. just say hey the second weekend of the month is team challenge weekend then tournys wont be scheduled on that date and teams wont have to deal with that problem anymore. it really is a simple fix.
Lol. This is not a professional league, we are not the MLB, NFL, NHL, NBA, PGA, etc...
Far from it, right now it's more like beer league softball, only we don't know what day our teams play on.
A professional league would never leave scheduling up to individual teams. The main reason, it would never work. And it isn't working here either.
TC is a growing organized sports league that needs direction and organization. Face it it isn't what it used to be.
Todd, thanks for getting the discussion started in the captains thread. That's a step in the right direction.
Just to restate - I made this thread in the wake of some rather elaborate back and forths on dates I've seen in the TC threads. I can see both sides. However, I do feel that there needs to be some sort of standardization so these negotiations on a date don't get out of hand. There's no real halfway point, so it's either set, or not. I mentioned having an entire weekend for each matches scheduled date. This brings the 5 page back n forth down to a sat/sun discussion. Should be simple.
I just think it can curb the chaos. I guess we'll see where this rolls come the end of the summer....
Pete Charron wrote:Ok last one for the night I swear... This is just for funzies...
A potential 20 man B-Pool best roster: (There are a bunch of people who could fit in here so no offense to anyone)
Binley Chauvin Aucoin Todd Lion Mike Ballestas Boutin Laforce Steve Dodge Nick Blouin Whitey Sean Stanton Keith Burtt Drew Gardner Cam Gallant Juano Flores Jason Johnson Kelly Conroy Derek Libby Valis Ralph Rogers (never seen him play but word on the street is reallly good)
and there's more. plenty more. you can make a real good case for 10 more deserving peeps to be on that 20 man squad. The B Pool has talent.
Just sayin...
Set a date to play Burgess on a neutral course, we'll bring 10, I bet we still win..
Is everybody who wants set schedules a big-bureaucracy fan? What, do you love the efficiency of the TSA when you go to the airport?
Allowing two teams to choose their date in a specific month IS OBVIOUSLY much more efficient and effective than randomly choosing a date for all teams.
A given date chosen in Sept. for March absolutely opens the door for one team to be seriously effected by the specific date. The captain to captain conversation produces the optimal date for BOTH teams.
Unequivocally speaking, Jim.
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Jim, how many problems have their been? All I'm aware of is the Cranbury thing, and we ended buckling up our date with them.
What you have to realize is the nature of this beast. Yak's baby started as a way for a team to defend it's home turf against another team. Simple enough--call the other captain and set the challenge.
Don't see why the number of teams quadrupling has to effect that basic premise.
What's good for 20 teams has less odds of succeeding than what's good for two teams, right?
Simple math, man. 1/2 x 1/2 x 1/2........(10 times) is a much smaller number than 1/2 x 1/2.
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I'm afraid of numbers and fractions and stuff, so I'll leave that alone. Cap'n n DubV is another recent instance of tons of deliberation. I just see it as more of a reality than "seems to be" ... it has become "is".
If a weekend is defined in September for a March challenge:
~Teams have more time to work out getting some time off ~No massive "conversations" to nail down a date
Availability for these things will wax and wane with either set or chaotic scheduling. Why not have it nailed down far in advance? Why not have BOTH teams that are playing against each other at a predetermined & equal (by luck, if nothing else) advantage or disadvantage?
I find it very very difficult to believe that people wouldn't benefit from advance notice... ya know? If a lot of teams benefit from it, we can then say it's beneficial to the league as a whole.
I was raised to believe that a sports team should consist of people with heart, dedication and skill. If people don't have that & a team ends up light at a challenge, well.... perhaps some better recruiting and assembling needs to be a factor in that team's future...
Note: I think there's a bit of apples and oranges going on right now. What I originally imagined was a set weekend for each pairing... not one weekend each month that every matchup is to be played on.
