2010/11 Team Challenge Schedule, Results and Standings

[Steve Solbo]

AND! The rule was on the original posts and discussed in advance.

Maybe look in the mirror, before placing blame... in the end, your own "boys" from TullyRock screwed you, you guys should have played Panthorn, and they could have played another team with a bye...

[Troy Dietrich]

It is what it is. I don't care what the rules are as long as I know what they are, and it's the same for everyone.

I still think it's fukked up allowing teams to decide on their own to set up matches on the side that count.

Todd, 1-0 vs 17-1 isn't a scenario that we'd have to deal with is it? But 4-0 vs 4-1, and 3-2 vs 3-1 are. Winning percentage is a pretty universal way of setting the order. Ever look in the paper at the baseball rankings? Or how about Football? In Football there are occasionally tie games, in which case there are uneven W-L numbers within divisions. 17 - 1 - 1 beats 17 - 2 every time...just pretend the BYE equals a played out tie.

Food for thought for next year.

[Matt Aubin]

Panthorn called out TR as early as mid-November for a rematch, they did not 'chose' us (presumably you say that because we're not worthy opponents? come play our course. ) We would have played whether or not it counted. Anyone who wanted to call shenanigans could have done so for 2 months. If any captain or player of any other team actually read the scheduled matches, results and threads on this board, they would have seen the dozens of posts about that bye match counting etc... As a captain (or even player) you should be keeping tabs on what's happening in your division. "TR VS PANTHORN" was at the top of the message board for over a month, all you had to do was open it (like many others not on either team did.)

Go ahead and strike it from the official record, we'd love to finish the season 2-2... bet no one would have called that.

[Troy Dietrich]

Matt,

Sorry...I wasn't trying to offend, and I removed that line from my post. Primarily because WT didn't have a BYE, and so it wasn't a viable option for TullyRock to have played them anyway. I was kind of responding to Aucoins riddle, but when I looked back WT didn't have a bye anyway so it was moot. However, the point was having a system in which a team can choose their own opponent allows them to take advantage of it. If you were in their shoes needing a win for a tie-break scenario, and were given the choice of playing a 4-0 team or a 2-2 team which would you choose? Think you should be allowed that option?

We all want to play more matches, because this is really all about the fun and love of playing DG. Why else would we subject ourselves to playing in 3 feet of snow in zero degree weather?

BTW, I have played Panthorn. I think you should have made TR play you there...might have been a whole different outcome.

[Matt Aubin]

Troy, no worries, I think the whole point of the TC is to offend each other.

I guess we (thorn) just assumed (you know how that ends up) that all the bye teams would work something out with each other so everyone had 5 matches. Sorry it ended up being a clusterf---.

and yes, we would crush TR at thorn.

[Alan MacLean]

Ok, so all this "bye" crap is discussed in the Captain's-only thread and then somehow relayed onto the Rules thread buried in all that mess. Since I heard TR has 3 captains way back when the season started with access to this phantom Captain's-only thread (assuming only is available to certain people... like forum members & purgatory) I asked you, Todd, on 10/28 if I could have access to that thread as Co-Captain of Dam Team. Never heard back and why should I have? Only the two most pressing issues in the rules thread mess (Byes and Dam Team using up roster moves a month before a Dam disc is thrown) directly relates to my team. That's ok, go throw the solutions that we had little to do with in the Rules threads which is about 8 pages of Cupcake icons (no offense Curcio) and Solbo acting like newcomers are psychic.

Rob Walker wrote:
Can the three different challenges include scrimmages?

The Reply:
Only if your team has a bye.

And just we're all on the same page for next year... there's Byes, Scrimmages, and Unofficially Scheduled Matches that are Official. And the intent of the Unofficial Scheduled Match looks like it was originally for bye teams battling for A-pool spots as a tie-breaker, not a 2-1 vs. and 0-2 match. Again, no offense to anyone, just observing. Maybe next year these terms are defined and inserted into the first post of the Rules thread instead in the middle of posts 91-120. Seeing that the standings are updated in the first post of that thread, the addition/clarifying of rules to the first post of the Rules thread doesn't seem like too much to ask.

So by your logic 1-0 is better than 17-1. Genius!

My logic is for two teams that play similar amount of matches. Your (flawed) interpretation of my logic only ignores the valid point that Win % would have been an easy way to equalize a pool of an odd # of teams. But if we want to take a valid point and stretch it childishly out of proportion, I'll take the 1-0 in skydiving, bull fighting, and russian roulette.

[Steve Solbo]

Todd doesn't control who is in the captains only thread. Your own teammate does.

[Jeff Wiechowski]

Todd doesn't control who is in the captains only thread. Your own teammate does.

Sorry Alan, I somehow missed adding you to the list of names allowed in the Captain's area. Fixed now.

[Dave Hickson]

Jeff could you please add me to the captains only thread?

[Jeff Wiechowski]

Jeff could you please add me to the captains only thread?

Done.

[Dave Hickson]

Thank you Jeff!

[JMondor]

In the event the worst case scenario happens (for us wv guys anyways) and we lose and tully wins, how exactly would the tie break be decided?

We have a head-head win over tully, tully holds a head-head win over mhill.. Mhill would have a head-head win over us... Playoff? Are we in because we beat Tully who beat mhill who beat us?

I'm a little confused.

Here's to hoping none of this matters!

[Steven Dakai]

Same thing happened last year.

You should have a playoff. There is no other way to determine a winner. Although Tully has been pretty clear that they do not want the A pool spot so they may tap out. Thats what they did last year.

[Matt Stroika]

Here is a random thought that I had.

What if the home-neutral-away wins had different weights? A win at home worth 2, neutral 2.5, and away 3. Get rid of the playoffs for matches and challenges and split points.

[John DeBois]

you could default to the NFL tie-breaking procedure:

Three or More Clubs

(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated during any step, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of the two-club format).

1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games among the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss

Two Clubs

1. Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs).
2. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division.
3. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games.
4. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
5. Strength of victory.
6. Strength of schedule.
7. Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
8. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
9. Best net points in common games.
10. Best net points in all games.
11. Best net touchdowns in all games.
12. Coin toss

[Marvino Manalo]

You guys worry so much! Let Captains Decides. Winning the Team Challenges as the result they get to choose where the final Team Challenges location and also to figure out who's going down to B pool before the finals. WORDDDD

It really doesn't matter who's got the best game. What matter is it's Battle Royal, play your best and hope that helps the team you play for. DAMMMMNNN

[Marvino Manalo]

Are we still using the same rules for next year? I can't wait to hear the new skim

[Chris Martin]

I'm an idiot when it comes to this stuff. Who has clinched and who, if anyone, is already relegated to the B-Pool?

[David Hoey]

I'm an idiot when it comes to this stuff. Who has clinched and who, if anyone, is already relegated to the B-Pool?

Still to be decided Chris! Gonna be an interesting month...

not sure if you're aware of the standings and who beat who on the first page of this thread? Good stuff there...

[Sjur Soleng]

Get rid of individual Team Challenges and have a 1 weekend Finals/party. This is supposed to celebrate the different styles of play and characters that come from each course area, not cause problems within the NEFA community. I, for one, will not be participating next year and i have heard many rumbles of agreement.

[Mike Dussault]

[quote="friZZak"]Get rid of individual Team Challenges and have a 1 weekend Finals/party.


THIS!

[Steve Solbo]

Get rid of individual Team Challenges and have a 1 weekend Finals/party.


THIS!

Good luck getting all interested parties on one course.. mega fail logisitics wise.

Plus, the league was mainly created to stay busy throughout the winter, even in the tough months. How does 1 weekend solve that issue, we'd be back where we started, plus... in a setting like that, how do you do match play? That's one of the biggest draws for this league is the difference in format.

just my opinion though.

[Sjur Soleng]

Problem is that the biggest loser in all of this are the icebowls! Fundraiser events have lost players continuously because of conflicted dates with team challenges. Look at VTI format to see how it works. It is done match play and it is handsdown my favorite event of the year. 12 teams, 2 brackets, 4 open, 2 am, 1 woman, 2 masters, 2 am2 on each team. 12 hole match play, ties count, . Open is set up as pro 1, pro 2 pro 3 pro 4. All the fours in 1 bracket play each other, all the pro 3 play each in bracket...and so on.

[Matt Buono]

Entry fee is $40 per player. Payout will remain the same as in previous years. (First and second in each division, first and second overall, individuals with best record per seeding per division.)

Tee time will be 10:00 on Saturday and 9:00 on Sunday. Format will be the same as last year with divisional play followed by 2 teams from each division in playoffs. Tie breakers are head to head first followed by total individual wins, and thirdly holes remaining in individual wins.

The last place team from each division will play off against one another for the right to return in 2010. The loser of this match will be eliminated for 2010 and be placed back on the waiting list (likely 7-8 years). HHome Team and Team Spotsy are EXEMPT from this requirement. Should either of these teams finish last in their respective division the 5th place team will be placed in the elimination match.

Teams will consist of the following:
4 Open
2 Masters
2 Advanced (or pro with player rating at or beneath 955- see below*)
1 Lady

Ratings will be based on the late January update.

* Players registered with the PDGA as pros may play am at VTI up to the 955 cut-off. Players registered as ams may be of any rating. Players who have re-classified from pro to am will be subject to individual review. Players who have accepted cash in pro divisions and are rated above 955 will be ineligible regardless of reclassification.

6 of the 8 male players must be from the geographic area/course represented by the team or be grandfathered in by virtue of competing in VTI 2005.

Grandfathered Player List (only includes players without a direct tie to the team’s geographic region as those players from each given region are eligible either way)
Home: Ellis, Bonday, Mullins, Zadareky, Hysell
Spotsy: Lugo, Todd, Clements, Hasnain
Seneca: DeLeonardis
UniTTy: Williams, Sheffield, Reiser, Cahill, Buono
Baltimore: Jernigan, Mela
NOVA: Sonderfan

If you have questions about player’s eligibility contact me.

***New Substitution policy***- Each team may make one sub during the course of the weekend. Subs may not be players who have competed for other teams during the event. Players must finish the weekend in the slot they began it. Contact me if you need clarification.

Each team’s coach seeds their own players within division. A match consists of each player on one team playing a 9 hole match against the player of their seed on the opposing team. Players gain one point for their team by winning a match and ½ point for tying. Team with the most points wins the match.

[Matt Buono]

It was 12 hole match play match matches when I played and bisco exteneds his course to 27 holes to fit all the players

I stole this from an old thread btw

and i am thinking of doing this next april pm if you are intrested

[Craig Cutler]

yes! do it Dome. I would help. The current TC format is undesireable to some. One match play filled weekend per year could be amazing.

[Matt Buono]

warwick would be perfect !!!!!!

[Craig Cutler]

Wickham

[Jeff Wiechowski]

The "J"

[John DeBois]

That format sounds great ... meeting up 5 times during the winter is tough. And skipping Ice Bowls is def a bad side affect