Hypothetical divisional region based TC. Interested?

[Erik Siersdale]

I hope our away match is against Mr. Dussault and Co.

[Pete Violet]

I hope our away match is against Mr. Dussault and Co.

This made me laugh.

neutral match - borderland safari?

[Tom Fisher]

safari league!!! what up!!!

[James Lane]

I would love to see a regional setup. I love getting out to different courses, but driving hours and hours to play freezing cold snow golf is hardly worth it.

While we're at it, LET'S REMOVE DUES. why the hell do we pay to play this...

[Kelly Conroy]

I would love to see a regional setup. I love getting out to different courses, but driving hours and hours to play freezing cold snow golf is hardly worth it.

While we're at it, LET'S REMOVE DUES. why the hell do we pay to play this...

Not only that Laner, but it is dangerous. All we need is news from NEFAland that someone got hurt or worse in a car accident because they were driving from NY to ME for a TC. Unnecessary driving can be prevented and decreased for most teams with this format.

[Steve Solbo]

I would love to see a regional setup. I love getting out to different courses, but driving hours and hours to play freezing cold snow golf is hardly worth it.

While we're at it, LET'S REMOVE DUES. why the hell do we pay to play this...

Not only that Laner, but it is dangerous. All we need is news from NEFAland that someone got hurt or worse in a car accident because they were driving from NY to ME for a TC. Unnecessary driving can be prevented and decreased for most teams with this format.

OR. You could use common sense and plan around weather or move a challenge date, been done plenty of times.

I am telling you. Look at the current votes. Only 3 teams are interested out of 17... doesn't that tell you anything? Your thoughts are in the minority and Laner, don't you live in Cali now?

[Steven Dakai]

I just dont see the regional setup working...is this how it would be setup?

East
Nasa
Bland1
Bland2
Burgess

North
Maine1
Maine2

South
Cran
Captian L
Panthorn
Wick

Central
Maple
Dam
Buff
West T
Tolland
Hyland?(pretty sure they are in)
TullyRock

[Kelly Conroy]

I would love to see a regional setup. I love getting out to different courses, but driving hours and hours to play freezing cold snow golf is hardly worth it.

While we're at it, LET'S REMOVE DUES. why the hell do we pay to play this...

Not only that Laner, but it is dangerous. All we need is news from NEFAland that someone got hurt or worse in a car accident because they were driving from NY to ME for a TC. Unnecessary driving can be prevented and decreased for most teams with this format.

OR. You could use common sense and plan around weather or move a challenge date, been done plenty of times.

I am telling you. Look at the current votes. Only 3 teams are interested out of 17... doesn't that tell you anything? Your thoughts are in the minority and Laner, don't you live in Cali now?

Teams (not unanimous) that have showed interest so far.
Noho
Maple
Tully
Tolland
Buff
Dam
Nasa

Teams that have showed little to no interest:
Bennett
Burgess
B-land
West T

[Steven Dakai]

Yes Kiki, thats great. Wanna change minds...tell us the PLAN.


How would it work? I am interseted after speaking with some of my teammates. What division would we be in? How many matches? How do we deal with odd numbers of teams,etc.

This isnt a dig, its an invitation to explain your plan,in detail.

[Steve Solbo]

Teams (not unanimous) that have showed interest so far.
Noho
Maple
Tully
Tolland
Buff
Dam
Nasa

Teams that have showed little to no interest:
Bennett
Burgess
B-land
West T

Add to the No interest side.

NASA, they are a team with alot of family, but rest assured, they don't want to be lumped in with Maine, and be forced to travel north all winter. Plus, they have members of the team that already have to drive 2 hours just to get to their home course...

Woodland Valley, same boat as Bennett, they already have their own instate team challenge, they play in this one to be able to meet new people, see new courses.


Borderland 2, same boat as Borderland.

[Kelly Conroy]

Yes Kiki, thats great. Wanna change minds...tell us the PLAN.


How would it work? I am interseted after speaking with some of my teammates. What division would we be in? How many matches? How do we deal with odd numbers of teams,etc.

This isnt a dig, its an invitation to explain your plan,in detail.

No I hear ya Steve. I want the info as much as you do. The divisional layout would depend on the number of teams we have. I can expect that by next year we will probably have 20 or so teams. I am guessing that either Hyland or Crane will join, plus a couple teams from the Northeast ie. ME. Those exact details are unclear at this moment, so I can only speculate.

5 games for all teams.

Best case scenerio is that we have 20 teams. We could do 4 divisions of 5 teams. That would mean that you would play your divisional teams once each and have a neutral match against another division. Every team in your division would play a different team in the same opposing division. Finals would be all four divisional winners, plus 2 wild cards.

If we had 18 teams, we could to 3 divisions of six teams all games divisional.
1. Top two from each division make it to the finals
2. Divisional winners make it to finals plus 3 wild cards.

Worst case is that we have an odd number of teams. This is where a league vote would come into play. Odd # = one division having an extra team or missing team. We could give the team a bye. The bye is what is confusing. There are many avenues that we could take to solve the bye problem.
1. We could give them a win.
2. We could give them a loss.
3. We could leave their record as is and decide divisional winners and wild cards by winning percentage. (My favorite)
4. We could average out their points for vs. their points against and determine a win or a loss by those numbers. (I am in favor of this if nobody want winning percentage to be the decider)
5. We could avoid the bye alltogether and give one other team an extra game.

If you have any ideas, please feel 100% free to suggest. My point is this. Nothing is going to change if the league doesn't want it, but why not talk about making it better, safer, more convenient, and more competitive.

[Kelly Conroy]

Teams (not unanimous) that have showed interest so far.
Noho
Maple
Tully
Tolland
Buff
Dam
Nasa

Teams that have showed little to no interest:
Bennett
Burgess
B-land
West T

Add to the No interest side.

NASA, they are a team with alot of family, but rest assured, they don't want to be lumped in with Maine, and be forced to travel north all winter. Plus, they have members of the team that already have to drive 2 hours just to get to their home course...

Woodland Valley, same boat as Bennett, they already have their own instate team challenge, they play in this one to be able to meet new people, see new courses.


Borderland 2, same boat as Borderland.

Speak for your own team.

[Steven Dakai]

Okay, lets assume that no new teams join and nobody leaves. That is the most likely scenario,anyways.

What would it look like?

edit: the league definitely wants changes, but those changes are not clearly defined yet.

[Steve Solbo]

Okay, lets assume that no new teams join and nobody leaves. That is the most likely scenario,anyways.

What would it look like?

edit: the league definitely wants changes, but those changes are not clearly defined yet.

I know for one we are getting an additional Maine team next year. However, if it goes to a regional system and they are all lumped together, we likely LOSE all three as well.

[Kelly Conroy]

Tried to balance the divisions better. If you have another blueprint submit it.
1.
Noho
Tully
MH
Dam Team
Wick

2.
Bennett
Bland II
WV
Nasa

3.
CL
Cran
Thorn
Tolland

4.
Burgess
WT
Buff
Bland

I imagine that if the divisional format pans out, some people would go back to their appropriate teams.

[Steven Dakai]

Ok, are we balancing divisions or trying to go regional? This is not regional in my opinion. Lots of icey winter travel!

[Steven Dakai]

This seems regional to me.
1.
Noho
Tully
Dam Team

2.
Bennett
WV


3.
Wick
CL
Cran
Thorn
Tolland

4.
Nasa
Burgess
Bland II
Bland

5.
WT
Buff
MH

[Kelly Conroy]

Ok, are we balancing divisions or trying to go regional? This is not regional in my opinion. Lots of icey winter travel!

Like I said, if you have a better idea for the layout feel free to submit it. We have to balance the divisions the best we can, otherwise divisions would be totally lopsided and unfair. Don't forget Steve, nothing is official until the league (captains) votes on it. Captains could even decide how to arrange the divisions.

[Patrick Barnett]

This seems regional to me.
1.
Noho
Tully
Dam Team

2.
Bennett
WV


3.
Wick
CL
Cran
Thorn
Tolland

4.
Nasa
Burgess
Bland II
Bland

5.
WT
Buff
MH

SOLD!

[Steven Dakai]

I get that part. But I keep hearing the same thing- regional for less travel-

I havent heard trying to balance divisions as a goal.

Is it?

We already have the balanced division plan, and you hate it. So does Titan, and Laner.

We have to decide what changes are wanted before we can make the change.

[Kelly Conroy]

I get that part. But I keep hearing the same thing- regional for less travel-

I havent heard trying to balance divisions as a goal.

Is it?

We already have the balanced division plan, and you hate it. So does Titan, and Laner.

We have to decide what changes are wanted before we can make the change.

Agreed.

[Steve Solbo]

Tried to balance the divisions better. If you have another blueprint submit it.
1.
Noho
Tully
MH
Dam Team
Wick

2.
Bennett
Bland II
WV
Nasa

3.
CL
Cran
Thorn
Tolland

4.
Burgess
WT
Buff
Bland

I imagine that if the divisional format pans out, some people would go back to their appropriate teams.

1.
Noho
Tully
MH
Dam Team
Wick

This is the ONLY regional division in this setup.

2.
Bennett
Bland II
WV
Nasa

Talk about throwing the sheep to the wolves, Poor B2 won't get a win, might not even score points, and also would have a winter drive to MAINE, this is not regional. Again, sending NASA to Maine, year after year, would get very old. Plus, you've got 3 teams in one division that get blasted with snow, thus travel won't only be long for these guys, it would also be treacherous.. remember, NASA has 3 team members from Cape Cod... NASA would like to head south, not north for the winter. B2 would log a high mileage count. If this is regional, how is B2 not with B1??

3.
CL
Cran
Thorn
Tolland

Somewhat regional and a few of the CT teams can brew rivalries, but Cran is going to crush this division every year. CL might challenge them from time to time... Don't see too much of a problem here. Unless I am Panthorn... 3 A Pool teams, all of a sudden in my division, in a year where they actually started having some success this year against the B pool. Sometimes it's just nice to win, regardless of the opponent, Panthorn gets a real tough draw...

4.
Burgess
WT
Buff
Bland

Burgess would win this Division every year. We wouldn't mind I guess. Even if the Buff guys go back to defend home turf (I doubt this, I think they want to win it all.) Burgess is hands down the favorite here, year in, year out. We'll take it, easy road to Finals. I feel bad for Buff, 2 A pool teams, (Borderland will likely get full seasons out of Timmay and Issac next year..) and WT is typically the top of the B pool every year in the mix.

[Steve Solbo]

I just tried for 30 minutes to balance driving/strength of schedule, it's impossible. Again, all the best teams are outliers.

[Mike Murphy]

Tully and Wick in a "regional" division is laughable as well.

[Steve Solbo]

Stretch out the regions a little more.

Consider a 6-6-5 setup.

Top 2 teams from each division get a bid, 2 wildcards.

[Kelly Conroy]

Stretch out the regions a little more.

Consider a 6-6-5 setup.

Top 2 teams from each division get a bid, 2 wildcards.

1.
Noho
Tully
MH
Buff
Dam
Crane/Hylands

2.
CL
Wick
Cran
Tolland
Thorn
West T


3.
WV
Bennet
Nasa
Burgess
Bland
Bland 2

This is the most regional for 3 divisions.

[Steve Solbo]

Stretch out the regions a little more.

Consider a 6-6-5 setup.

Top 2 teams from each division get a bid, 2 wildcards.

1.
Noho
Tully
MH
Buff
Dam
Crane/Hylands

2.
CL
Wick
Cran
Tolland
Thorn
West T


3.
WV
Bennet
Nasa
Burgess
Bland
Bland 2

This is the most regional for 3 divisions.

I think it's more fair travel wise to everyone except us east coasters, also look at that division!! 5 of the top 10 teams in the league this year!

[Mike Murphy]

I agree thats the most regional we can probalby get, but do you think those divisions are fair and will work?

[Kelly Conroy]

I agree thats the most regional we can probalby get, but do you think those divisions are fair and will work?

No I don't think they are fair, which is why I would spread the talent a little. This would change the divisions a little.

[Steven Dakai]

If we are going for regional there is no way NOHO is in a division with Buff. No way Cpt L is with West T and Maine is not near the cape.

If some teams travel they all should!

how about:

Bennet
Noho
Tolland
Panthorn


Wv
Tully
Buff
Utopia

Nasa
Bland2
West T
Cpt L

Burgess
Maple
Bland1
Dam

Then everyone travels the same and the balance is better.