Final April 27th Barre Dam

Steve Solbo · Post by **Steve Solbo** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:49 pm

Stew wrote:Sarcasm's good by me Steve.

NASA, after all, called Tully and instigated the fees and rules because we figured out there was a lefty course out there that the finals could be moved to.

All part of a master plan to move the finals to a lefty course--'cause after all, we'd suck if we weren't at Barre Falls.

No big deal Steve. You just came off as a little petty rationalizing our success for us.

Since you are the big cheese next year, my one suggestion would be to reward the regular-season winners a different way than penalizing the field in the finals. When some guys complain that the second round wasn't fun because they felt they were out of it, compare that to Devens and Tolland who most likely felt that way coming into the entire finals.

Perhaps 1st place gets to pick the finals location as long as its not their home field.

And thank you for stepping up to run this next year--not a particularly rewarding volunteer job.

Actually quite to the contrary, if you look back to my first post about my "surprises" or a better word would be "see IT CAN BE DONE, the whole almost climbing out of the basement" was complimenting you guys about your leapfrogging 3 teams, I actually applauded your effort, cuse in a way it proved the current system ALMOST worked.

I say this b/c yes, you guys were so close to winning 2 more challenges during the season. 2 OT losses, however due to those losses you got penalized, BUT, you almost came ALL the way back only losing by 9 overall, but getting 3rd place, next year it's my belief that WILL net your team something, money, prizes etc.

Next year for course location is THIS.

Before the season starts Capt's give me a sealed envelope with a course name in it... that course is knowledge of YOUR team only. The envelopes are sealed until challenges are over, and we open the envelope of the winning team, blam. FINALS Location, this course can not be your home course of course, but can be someone elses... So, seeing as well as NASA shot this year at Barre.. maybe you guys say, well heck.. let's go back.. :wink:

Next year's "penalty" WILL be tiered. Teams with similar records will start THE SAME. That is a guarentee.

This year for instance

Burgess 0
Buff 0
Wick 0
Mape +1
BLand +1
NASA +2
Tolland +3
Devens +3

Under my system, finals would have looked like this

Buff 231
Burgess 234
NASA 237
Wick 240
Mape 249
Bland 250
Tolland 255
Devens 269

Cash CTP's will likely be out there still, maybe some merch, but likely CTP's.

Also, I plan on trying to incorporate a way to make sure that at finals, you count towards your team score based on paticipation.

i.e. Letting singles players play and have their score count.

b/c frankly, this would not have changed my approach.. sure, harrington is a great player, but to put him out there by his lonesome... and chance a 47-48 out of him, when I can throw Todd out there and hope for the round in the 41-42-43 range... is so much better and smarter.

We are like an ameoba from the primordial soup that used to be the ocean, we are rapidly evolving.

Dan Ouellet · Post by **Dan Ouellet** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 3:58 pm

Solbo, I'm sure you will do a great job next year. For now lets just give credit to a fine run series, thank you Mr. Joe Yaskis.
One of the best times I have ever had in competition was at the finals. Great fun.
This series is young and the kinks are being worked out. Better each year. And I'm sure a ton of work that goes unnoticed that no one ever realizes.
I am so glad I participated. Thank you NASA you guys are great.

Gary Cyr · Post by **Gary Cyr** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 4:03 pm

Yup,..took less than 2 days beofre I got to the point where I didn't want to read this thread anymore :scratch:

Burgess donates $200 winning back
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Buff donates $50 back from Laforce.
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All the crap we had to deal with involving the staff at Tully.
:arrow:

The late negotiations with Delia at Barre.
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Time taken to shop, store, pack, unpack food, cook, clean
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Putting the years event together
:arrow:

Nobody paid a dime for food. I believe all the other food was donated as well
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Nobody had to cook for themselves
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I'll stop here

I know I was busy from the moment I stepped foot on the property,..straight through lunch cooking and cleaning up peoples left behind messes, totalling up final scores,..etc,..etc. I think I took about 20 practice putts and played holes #1 and #2 for practice before I had to get started. And I'm only supposed to be a player. I'm not a captain, I'm just a player.

All this also includes my car getting hit in the parking lot by another golfer. Accidents happen, I completly understand.

What a shame! No wonder I don't want to run tournaments anymore.

Jason Gordon. I never did get the chance to even ask where you vehicle was to try your beer. If you remember to bring a little to Buff Safari I'd love to try it.

Steve G. Enjoy vacation and good luck finding a job.

discglfr05 · Post by **discglfr05** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:24 pm

Gary,

All of those points you've brought up are fully appreciated by everyone. I, for one, was nothing less than floored at how smoothly everything ran. I don't think that the posts on this thread were meant to criticize the efforts put forth by the organizers or yourself.
Some simple misunderstandings that were clarified...you get that on any thread, any day of the week. For instance, if there was some confusion over CTP $$ on one of the holes.... should that just be buried for fear of ruining a thread? As for the discussions regarding any perceived disrespect relating to how teams placed, sometimes sarcasm meters don't work to their fullest capacity :wink:

You once told me that one should just read on or ignore it if you don't like what's posted....seems as though you're having trouble following your own advice. I think your self-touting rant in the second half of your post is completely unnecessary and only serves to agitate and self promote, regardless of the intent.

Gary Cyr · Post by **Gary Cyr** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:21 pm

Andrew, read some of the resposes. I'm think the day ran well too. I have no problem saying I'm a little disappointed with some of the stuff I've read, post event and mostly pre-event. Nuff said

Self Promoting, you are darn right! But just so we are sure, that I'm not just looking to break my arm patting myself on the back, let not question I mean everybody. The entire team of Burgess, especially Solbo who gave his whole day. Josh who jumped in to cook after specifically say he didn't want to. Whitey, the same,.. gave his whole day. Nicole and Jodi were glued to Joe's hip at the half, and Joe gave his whole day. Jason Gordon who brought pounds of meat, and beer, didn't ask for a thing. So many other that I don't even know what they brought but there was food and beer everywhere I looked.

Thanks for your advice on my advice.

If I remember correctly we were talking about much of Bobby's (and a few others) banter, stupid stuff with no point, and trash talking. You know, pre Purgatory. That's different.

Shane Peters · Post by **Shane Peters** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:55 pm

Steve G, I would appreciate the cash. Allen is right, with not winning a match all year the little victories are important. The money will be used to buy Allen and the members of team tolland a brew after wick league one of these weeks. PM me or gimme a call so we can figure this stuff out.

Josh Zielinski · Post by **Josh Zielinski** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:10 pm

Steve-O wrote:
Next year's "penalty" WILL be tiered. Teams with similar records will start THE SAME. That is a guarentee.

LAME.

Handicapping teams for the finals is retarded and most everyone agrees.

Finals should be 2 parts. day 1. Semi finals should consist of the 8 highest finishing teams (assuming we have more than 8 teams next year) bracketed 1 v. 8, 2 v. 7 etc. quarter finals 3 doubles teams match play do or die one round. winners move to a second round semi finals doubles stroke play. winners advance to championship losers go to the battle for 3rd. day 2. (seperate weekend) Championship and battle for 3rd. stroke or match it does not matter. plus a players party/cookout for everyone and ctp's and other stuff to include the teams not playing in final finals.

Also I know justin White made a thread about getting custom team challenge discs made we should get 100 made and have all the teams try to sell them and whatever profit be made added to the finals maybe in food and beer or ctp form.

Maybe these ideas should be in the idea for next year thread along with all the other good ideas that will get buried and not used for next year.

Mike Dussault · Post by **Mike Dussault** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:20 pm

Nice positive attitude dude, NOT!!!

Maybe some of the ideas will be used, probably not all. What have you done personally to help make this better? Besides bitching and complaining that is. This could be you JZ, it could be anyone.
The team challenge has been fun for me the past three seasons. Thank you to Joe for conceiving of it, and having some gumption to step up and make it happen. It has been a good way to pass the winter months and get to know new golfers from the region.
For me the team challenge has run its course. A lot of energy goes into each challenge and a lot of time. Next year someone will run the Borderland team, and they will be competitive. Good luck, I will be routing for you. my extra curricular golf will be at leagues and tournaments.
Hope to see you all at the events.

Dave Mourad · Post by **Dave Mourad** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 8:54 pm

mike d wrote:The team challenge has been fun for me the past three seasons. Thank you to Joe for conceiving of it, and having some gumption to step up and make it happen. It has been a good way to pass the winter months and get to know new golfers from the region.

Absolutely on the mark, and is in many respects why Team Tolland and Devens showed up to Barre for the finals. This year has been tough so I haven't been able to play in as many matches as I would have liked (only two and then the finals) but they've been a blast and the atmosphere has been great and respectful even in majour defeat.

And I still have visions of the windy March day when Mike D's beautiful sandwich and tray blew off the car onto the pavement (that came from one of Tatro's poker games) - we all gave a collective sigh, shook our heads, and awkwardly smiled (much like team Tolland's season). Funny stuff...

Looking forward to next year, whatever the format...

Andy Gallerani · Post by **Andy Gallerani** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:34 pm

JZ dont take this as an attack or anything as it is just a perspective from the other end of the spectrum in this team challenge.
While I understand that you want the finals to be a different format I think you are forgetting the need (IMO) to encourage new teams to join the league. To seclude lesser skilled teams from the finals based on just that, their lack of skill, would be a great disservice to the league and it would basically create a Buff vs. Wick vs. Burgess vs. Borderland vs. Frizzak league. If that is what is wanted then why even try to include other teams? Just keep it real and say only teams consisting of 50+% pro can be included in this exclusive league.
Maybe if the money was distributed in a different manner then your format may work (even then probably not because the competative aspect would be greatly diminished from a finals perspective) but with the money being shelled out pretty much all at the finals it isnt fair to the lower teams to have a qualification criteria to compete for the cash. IMO this should be a free league but Im sure Im in the minority there.
I think that Steve is on the right track with his format/payout change ideas. We should let Steve propose his updated format, based on the idea thread, before we start spouting ideas that are clearly not beneficial for the league as a whole.

Rob Tatro · Post by **Rob Tatro** » Tue Apr 29, 2008 10:44 pm

Thumbs up to Joey for working it big time. Team Burgess for the selfless donation of all that food. Anyone else who donated goods (Bummer Jason but by the time I got back after round 1, your pulled pork was gone .. boo hoo - I was so looking forward to that too) All the volunteers who stepped up to make a stellar day even more special. Even though we were out of it big time after the first round, we had nothing to lose and enjoyed making runs at each and every basket. I'll save suggestions about next year for later but for now, thanks for everything and everyone involved. You guys are fun to be around 8-)

Dave Boliver · Post by **Dave Boliver** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:30 am

Yo Guys and gals. :lol:

After all is said and done I think year three went off well.

we all got out and had fun and played golf with the people we covet. :roll:

Some of us talked crap all year.(you no who you are) and some tried to take us out of our game by sharing there black flies with us.(dan'o i still think it was the black shirt) I'm still cracking up. :shock:

And after all the fun and anguish this what we have to read :roll:

come on now people. :cry:

REALLY!!
I wouldn't change or bitch about anything because i couldn't of done better my self. 8-)

Joe, Gary, Nichole, Jodie, the cooks,Gordon, The beer :oops:

and every one that made it happen all year.

THANK YOU!!! YOU GUYS MAKE IT O.K. TO BE HUMAN. :idea:

Bobby Direnzo · Post by **Bobby Direnzo** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 8:53 am

Gary/Mass wrote:Andrew, read some of the resposes. I'm think the day ran well too. I have no problem saying I'm a little disappointed with some of the stuff I've read, post event and mostly pre-event. Nuff said

Self Promoting, you are darn right! But just so we are sure, that I'm not just looking to break my arm patting myself on the back, let not question I mean everybody. The entire team of Burgess, especially Solbo who gave his whole day. Josh who jumped in to cook after specifically say he didn't want to. Whitey, the same,.. gave his whole day. Nicole and Jodi were glued to Joe's hip at the half, and Joe gave his whole day. Jason Gordon who brought pounds of meat, and beer, didn't ask for a thing. So many other that I don't even know what they brought but there was food and beer everywhere I looked.

Thanks for your advice on my advice.

If I remember correctly we were talking about much of Bobby's (and a few others) banter, stupid stuff with no point, and trash talking. You know, pre Purgatory. That's different.

FYI.. Bear and myself took care of all the ctp money and put it together for Joe. So instead of pointing out the negative about "my banter" I might as well add this in the mix.. :roll:

Steve Solbo · Post by **Steve Solbo** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:06 am

JZ. I like your idea's. Ecspecially the use of the funds for EACH team to get custom discs, or a 2008-2009 NEFA team challenge disc, and teams are responsible to sell them or buy them, and money gets returned to league, and everyone gets something. However, a 2-day event at this stage is probably too much to ask of 86 golfers with families and what not.

After all is said and done, to give out $500 to the winning team, what is that? $40 a person? Also, Burgess would have given back all the money we took in CTP's for that god for saken trophy. So, for us it's about WINNING plain and simple, I personally think to avoid the conflict we had this year about the CTP's and one out of the entire bunch being "misplaced"... that's not a good thing, but seems to be the only flub up of the day by the wonderful people that helped put this thing on.

Lastly, I will be posting something soon, for comment, I need to sit down, write down my thoughts, organize and post them. then get comments from the people that matter YOU GUYS!

Jim Bobka · Post by **Jim Bobka** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:50 am

Please see Courses posting on Barre, thanks. --jimbob

Steve Solbo · Post by **Steve Solbo** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:00 pm

I guess even the tiered system will cause issues.

It's been brought up in the past, but what about the top 4 make the "playoffs", 1 v 4 first round, dubs.. 2 v 3.

Consolation Bracket (for a prize/merch/cash)

5 v 8 and 6 v 7...

Rob Tatro · Post by **Rob Tatro** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:19 pm

Steve-O wrote:I guess even the tiered system will cause issues.

It's been brought up in the past, but what about the top 4 make the "playoffs", 1 v 4 first round, dubs.. 2 v 3.

Consolation Bracket (for a prize/merch/cash)

5 v 8 and 6 v 7...

I think you might be onto something there Steve :king:

Dave Jackson · Post by **Dave Jackson** » Wed Apr 30, 2008 9:42 pm

The past three seasons have been fun. Joe's vision that made this whole thing a reality is something to admire. It's very cool when people make a selfless contribution to the greater good and so many people benefit.
A special thank you to Shaun LaForce for stepping up as the new captain of Team Maple Hill.

Steve Solbo · Post by **Steve Solbo** » Thu May 01, 2008 8:45 am

Dont shoot Mikey, but this is his post from the Course page for Barre...

maybe lefties might have a slight advantage when 66% of the holes there are slighted in their favor :wink:

TEAM NASA I am looking at you :wink:

And stirrin the pot again, cuse that's what I do.

The course is currently set up to favor a left hand backhand thrower. There are 12 holes that are favorable to the LHBH and 6 that are either neutral or favor the RHBH. If there is a way to strike a balance, this would make the course better.

Hole one has a great alternate tee box to the right of the current one about 100' if you are looking at the pin.
Still love Barre.

Jim Wills · Post by **Jim Wills** » Thu May 01, 2008 9:26 am

Steve-O wrote:Dont shoot Mikey, but this is his post from the Course page for Barre...

maybe lefties might have a slight advantage when 66% of the holes there are slighted in their favor

TEAM NASA I am looking at you

And stirrin the pot again, cuse that's what I do.

Whatever makes you guys feel better, we'll challenge any team on any course - our only two losses were in playoff holes :shock:

Steve Solbo · Post by **Steve Solbo** » Thu May 01, 2008 9:42 am

a win is a win.

and on that "lefty" course we still beat you outright and with the handicap :lol:

(we've only got 2 good lefties).

Steve Solbo · Post by **Steve Solbo** » Thu May 01, 2008 9:43 am

JimiiZ wrote:
Steve-O wrote:Dont shoot Mikey, but this is his post from the Course page for Barre...

maybe lefties might have a slight advantage when 66% of the holes there are slighted in their favor

TEAM NASA I am looking at you

And stirrin the pot again, cuse that's what I do.

Whatever makes you guys feel better, we'll challenge any team on any course - our only two losses were in playoff holes

Youll have fun coming down to Burgess next year.. we were STILL UNDEFEATED.

Your wins: Devens and Tolland (No offense Guys)
Our wins: Buff, NASA, B-Land, Devens

Our mantra is the same.

Anywhere, anytime.

Jim Wills · Post by **Jim Wills** » Thu May 01, 2008 9:47 am

Steve-O wrote:Youll have fun coming down to Burgess next year.. we were STILL UNDEFEATED.

Blah blah blah, cant just let you keep ripping on us

Steve Solbo · Post by **Steve Solbo** » Thu May 01, 2008 9:52 am

JimiiZ wrote:
Steve-O wrote:Youll have fun coming down to Burgess next year.. we were STILL UNDEFEATED.

Blah blah blah, cant just let you keep ripping on us

Its fun to have yet another competitive team in the Mix. Evolution my friend, evolution, this league is goin places.

Jack Nickel · Post by **Jack Nickel** » Thu May 01, 2008 4:05 pm

Thanks Joe and all who helped with the Team Challenge.

Thanks Team Wick, we did fall a little short of our goal but its all about the fun, and we will always win in that category.

Sorry to anyone who missed out on J. Gordons Homebrew and pulled pork. It was yummy!!

Til' next season.

Bobby Direnzo · Post by **Bobby Direnzo** » Mon May 05, 2008 3:38 pm

Steve-O wrote:Dont shoot Mikey, but this is his post from the Course page for Barre...

maybe lefties might have a slight advantage when 66% of the holes there are slighted in their favor

TEAM NASA I am looking at you

And stirrin the pot again, cuse that's what I do.

The course is currently set up to favor a left hand backhand thrower. There are 12 holes that are favorable to the LHBH and 6 that are either neutral or favor the RHBH. If there is a way to strike a balance, this would make the course better.

Hole one has a great alternate tee box to the right of the current one about 100' if you are looking at the pin.
Still love Barre.

I guess thats not the case when the "CHAMPS" didn't have one lefty there.

Joe Yaskis · Post by **Joe Yaskis** » Fri May 09, 2008 9:24 am

We played cards at my house last night and the trophy was there.

Todd Lapham · Post by **Todd Lapham** » Fri May 09, 2008 9:29 am

I hope you lost...

Gary Cyr · Post by **Gary Cyr** » Fri May 09, 2008 9:32 am

Joe didn't lose. But here's an interestingfinal hand.

Last hand of night 3 of us. My deal. Pimsry (SB) Walsh (BB). Pre flop I fold. Pimsry raises, Walsh calls. Flop is 5Q5. They are both betting. Pimsry had QQ and Walsh had 55.

Todd Lapham · Post by **Todd Lapham** » Fri May 09, 2008 9:34 am

Wow, that's just not right.