MA 2x event will be held at Devens-

[Bobby Direnzo]

maybe Burgess?

YA RIGHT!!

[Bobby Direnzo]

Tully would be my choice.

[Marco Iannello]

According to what John wrote earlier in the thread, it would not be the Ace Race or Ice Cube Open.

An Ace Race or a Tournament that a player could buy extra shots would never be approved as a NEFA point event.

Gary, I don't think that's what the Devens guys are suggesting. Ace races and $1 mulligans I'm sure were ways to get more people to come and play the course. I'm sure John Borelli and Co. would put on a professional event, one that I would attend. This would be a good excuse for myself(and others) to play a course I've yet to play.

[blackfalls]

What about Flat Rock? That course is sweeeet! And Sean is super cool.

[Greg Aucoin]

neither tully nor barre, or tourney of the damned were filled up. Tully would be awesome to get people out to, and they made lots of improvements with hopefully more to come by next season!? And Barre is worthy of a 2x event, just not THE DAY AFTER BUFF OPEN

Have not been to Devens yet, and a 2x event would definitely get me there. Lots of good options for MA. Maple Hill red, white, and blue would be amazing too

[Chris Carr]

My vote goes to either JC at Riverhead or for John B at Devens. Though Devens is easier to get to and a lot less money( ie. no ferry) I would like the excuse to head out to the island.

[Joe Yaskis]

Just to Clarify a couple of things:

I know a lot of us want to have the 2x time event at a great course, but the TD has to express interest, not random people. If you want your favorite course to be considered you have to talk to the TD and ask him/her if they would like to run it.


So far we have

Devens
Burgess
Riverhead


I will make a decision by December 5th. Please spread the word to TD's in MA.

[JeremyTravis]

Hey all, now I might just be the new kid on the hill over at Devins, but I love the course. It just gets better almost every week with the work that's being put into it, and I'd love the opportunity to see some wider attention being grabbed for it.

[Jim Bobka]

So is there anything specific that constitutes a 2X event as far as the course goes?

e.g. : parking, teeboxes, bathrooms, etc. ?

[Joe Yaskis]

Jim

Bathrooms are now a requirements.

[Matt DeAngelis]

Just the regular points events need to have bathroom facilities on-site per the 2009 charter.

[David James]

I vote for Devens this year as the 2x point event. John and Marcy's organization and an enthusiastic group of locals will put together a fine event. The 1$ mulligan was a fundraiser and one time thing so that is a non issue. As one of the locals I offer to host post play at my house, 10 min away. Food, drink, fire pit, foosball, and poker. The hill gets a lot of locals and family play, but has not drawn many pros. The singles course record is currently 50 and this event would be a great time for many player to try to break it.

[Arty Graustein]

I’ve heard rumors that a certain person won’t play Devens until a real tournament is thrown there. Whether this was serious or said in jest it may have done some psychological damage. Hopefully it is not irreparable. There may be some doubt and misperceptions about how well a tournament could be run there. John and crew have done a lot of work to get that course in great shape and improvements are constantly being made. I am very confident that he’ll have Devens up to snuff and will run a smooth and professional event if given the chance. If the criteria (and I’m not saying it is) for a double points event is to give newer and lesser played courses more exposure I can’t think of better course in MA right now that is more deserving of the honor than Devens. I like NoHo as well, but parking, bathroom facilities and the shared usage with dog walkers could be an issue. Tully would be nice choice too. The new tee boxes there are outstanding. Have to be seen to be believed.

[Bill Stewart]

Would that be The King of The Hill Tourney on 4/18?

I agree with the Devens arguments above. 2X helped put Pye on the map with the 7-7-7 tourney.

[Joe Yaskis]

Some great arguments here.

I have had no TD contact me about Tully being a 2x event.

[Mike Dussault]

I think the 2x event should go to an established and known event. Only the best tournaments should be considered for 2x status.

.02cents

[Jesse James]

Some great arguments here.

I have had no TD contact me about Tully being a 2x event.

Joe,

Only event I know of at Tully is the Damned Tournament. And that would be Dave S.

[Andy Gallerani]

I think the 2x event should go to an established and known event. Only the best tournaments should be considered for 2x status.

.02cents

Make that 4 cents. I strongly agree with Mike on this one

[Matt DeAngelis]

6 cents and counting. There would be nothing worse than going to a 2 x event to play a sub-par event. Been there, done that. And no, I'm not talking about 777.

[Matt Stroika]

8 cents.

I have expressed this elsewhere, but I think that there are too many events period that do not belong. Giving 2x status to an unknown is not a good thing.

No first time TDs for 2x events.

[Steve Solbo]

I'd be a semi first time TD. I am gonna get my licks at finals thats for sure. But, I hope I've shown enough organization and decision making ability in the Team Challenge to bring something back to Burgess.

heck, I dont think we even need the 2X to draw people to Burgess, we got housing .2 miles away for food, potential crash spot, etc. (Todd's House).

We have ongoing improvments... (besides aesthetics... the park is used by punks) newer tee and pin locations will be installed in the spring. As well as some special pin locations that would be temporary, but unvieled for an event.

[Arty Graustein]

I think some of us may be missing out on the bigger picture here. Why should only established events be worthy of a 2x event? Aren’t you going to go to them regardless of their event status? Why do you think just because it is the first time a course runs an event it is going to be subpar? Don’t you think they may try to go above and beyond people’s expectations to ensure that it is topnotch? Pretty sure Pokerpalooza did just that in 2006. Oversaturation of events may be a viable point, but why is giving 2x status to an unknown not a good thing? Are there any statistics to prove that? Seems to me that when the Pye boyz put on the Tournament of the Sevens they were relatively untested at running events and did a stellar job from all of the feedback I have heard. Come to think it all of the 2x events I have ever been to have been very well run despite any lack of experience on the TD’s part. I can understand that some NEFA members may be of the belief that 2x events should be at the best course available with all the amenities and run by a proven TD, but I would argue that those events already exist. Why not use the power of 2x status to draw in players from near and far to play and promote a course they may not otherwise get out to? Rob Tatro mentioned he’d like to see it go to NoHo because he’s heard great things and being a 2x event would entice him to finally make the trek out there. Good point there. There is one huge benefit to giving it to relatively unknown/unplayed course. It puts the onus on the people running it (i.e. the TD and crew) to make the necessary adjustments and improvements to make it worthy of holding the event in the first place. Imagine a course that was eh… okay, but could use a few tee boxes here or some trimming there. Maybe even a redesign of a few holes and just some general sprucing up. What I am saying is that 2x events offer the opportunity to make more courses better. To me that is a giant step in the right direction and far more valuable than going to a prestigious event at an already established course. Think about it. Wouldn’t it be nice to have more great options to choose from? Just look at some of the courses that have hosted 2x events and have gotten significantly better. This is beneficial not only to the NEFA member, but the general disc golfing public as a whole.

[Rob Tatro]

I'm with Arty all the way on this one baby.

The first tourney I ever TD'd was Pokerpalooza back in '06 and it was awarded 2x status. It made me work harder so that I could justify the recognition that NEFA chose to give our tournament. I'm not sure that the tournament would have filled without the 2x points and ever since then, it has filled easily. Tournament of 777's was great and once again, I think those boys worked their asses off to help live up to the 2x distinction ... Amesbury was great too.

NoHo would be super but I'm unaware of a tourney being run there this year? If there is 2x status would get me there for sure.

JC at Riverhead would get my nod then after that. He's been running great events over there for years with semi-filled tourney's. Double points would fill that puppy up for sure and then everyone could see that Vineyard golf is alive and kicking -- it's one of my favorite tourney's of the year.

[Dave Jackson]

I vote the Highlands of Conway. Or Northhampton or even Tully. Lets award the 2x event to an upcoming course.
Burgess would be great, but the course is a sh*thole. I love the course and have played there lots of times but the thing with the cops, the stealing of a players bag and the trash.
Again, I love the course and the layout. It is an awesome course, I just think one of the other three courses I mentioned would be better choices for the 2x event.

[Jc vermynck]

thanks for the support Rob and everyone.
I agree in a big way with artie about relatively unknown courses
getting the nod.
as long as there tourney caliber,beauty hill would be my best example of going to a 2x event AT A new course I probably wouldnt have gone to.
novices Can run tourneys,why not let the favourite tourneys stand on their own.
I really dont need more pressure or expectations. I think were established as much as need and we have a large local contingent that might leave less room for nefaites.
I vote for some course out west none of us have been to .
thanks
Jc

[Joe Yaskis]

I guess no more TD's are interested in the 2x event. So what we have is what we have. I will tell you that I'm leaning towards a course that is somewhat unknown.

[Bill Stewart]

Joe, I would just say Pye is ALWAYS interested. It just doesn't seem to be our turn. So I guess I'm putting in, just for the sake of consideration, although I have zero expectation of getting it.

Just responding to last post. Interested, but would be very surprised if you gave us another shot so soon.

[Bobby Direnzo]

Pye would be a great course for 2x!

[Drew Austin]

Burgess would be great, but the course is a sh*thole. I love the course and have played there lots of times but the thing with the cops, the stealing of a players bag and the trash.
for the 2x event.

Ummm.....I don't know the last time you went to Burgess but it's cleaned up and has been for a while ( As far as trash goes). Us Burgess guys do not allow our course to be a "sh*t hole", but thanks for the concern. As for the COPS they did us "disc golfers" a favor by taking out the trash (kids,punks). We have had little to no issues since this summer when the police had there little raid.

Burgess has my vote for a 2x event we need a little attention on the Cape. We have had lots of improvements as far as tee's and pin locations. If Burgess is choosen Team Burgess would host a great event with Solbo as TD and Todd's House as Tourney central.

[Joe Yaskis]

Congratulations to Devens!

They will host the 2009 2x event. Previous courses have set the bar very high and I know John and crew will do just fine.