NEFA DUBZ SERIES? Would you play in it?

Steve Solbo · Post by **Steve Solbo** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:44 am

Why would you put the first set of Doubles Finals sooooo far away from the "center" of NEFA? Don't you want to see if this thing will get off the ground first?

I'd aim central for atleast the first year... my .02 cents. I'd also make the end of the season earlier, with the Singles NEFA Tourney season really kicking off in March, I'd end it there... remember you also have Team Challenge that runs during the Ice Bowl Season... thus you really are starting to fill up weekends during the winter...

just some things to think about.

Les Sinnock · Post by **Les Sinnock** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:50 am

I think the poll is kinda skewed.
I think most would play in a 2X NEFA event.
The question is, do you think the 2X NEFA event is a good thing.
I'm not advocating either way. Just sayin'...........

Steve Solbo · Post by **Steve Solbo** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 11:52 am

crossles wrote:I think the poll is kinda skewed.
I think most would play in a 2X NEFA event.
The question is, do you think the 2X NEFA event is a good thing.
I'm not advocating either way. Just sayin'...........

Titan is talking about a "Doubles" Points Series. Not "Double Points" Series.

Titan Bariloni · Post by **Titan Bariloni** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:02 pm

Steve-O wrote:Why would you put the first set of Doubles Finals sooooo far away from the "center" of NEFA? Don't you want to see if this thing will get off the ground first?

I'd aim central for atleast the first year... my .02 cents. I'd also make the end of the season earlier, with the Singles NEFA Tourney season really kicking off in March, I'd end it there... remember you also have Team Challenge that runs during the Ice Bowl Season... thus you really are starting to fill up weekends during the winter...

just some things to think about.

yes the Jpark finals is to far I tend to agree and with Jeff hosting 2 events might be a bit much for him so Ma will prob be the finals location for trial year.

also solbo I plan to piggy back some already set in stone every year events so that will help keep scheduling a little easier.

Look we have NY,MA,NH,CTMe on board and planning once VT is on board we can statrt future planning.

I think may is a bit to long but to get the goal of 12 events 2 per state its gonna have to be that way. should not interfere with singles and team challenge all that much.

Titan Bariloni · Post by **Titan Bariloni** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:04 pm

CaptainAnhyzer wrote:
mista3putt wrote: Jeff early dates planned do you have the same schedule for your ice bowls every year? and can you make your ice bowl a dubz so a new event does not need to be created less work that way

J-Park Ice Bowl is always the weekend after the Super Bowl. Making it a dubs event could be a possibility. Get the divisional issues squared away and then we'll talk.

If you wanna keep it simple:
Pro/Pro
Pro/Am
Am/Am
Mixed(male/female)

division's is my true main concern other then data input.

need a fair simple division list that won't give TD's fits

Titan Bariloni · Post by **Titan Bariloni** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 2:33 pm

Dates filled

Nov 11th2010 tully Ma
Nov 13th 2010 beauty Hill Nh

Dec 2010
Dec 2010

Jan 2011
Jan 2011

Feb 2011 J park? Ny Jpark ice bowl
Feb 2011

March 2011 march 12th borderland's minuteman classic Ma
march 2011

April 2011 willow park? Vt
april 2011

may 2011 pinnacle? Nh
may 2011

thoughts become things.......I love that phrase

Jeff Wiechowski · Post by **Jeff Wiechowski** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:32 pm

Willow Park only has 8 baskets, #2 has been MIA for years.......

Mike Dussault · Post by **Mike Dussault** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:36 pm

[quote="mista3putt"]Dates filled

Nov 11th2010 tully Ma
Nov 13th 2010 beauty Hill Nh

Not sure how Tully has an event on the 11th and BH on the 13th. Is one of them on a Monday?

I like doubles.

Jeff Wiechowski · Post by **Jeff Wiechowski** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:42 pm

11th is veterans day

Titan Bariloni · Post by **Titan Bariloni** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:47 pm

CaptainAnhyzer wrote:11th is veterans day

I know 1ST OFFICIAL TULLZ DUBZ Army Core Veterans Day Event

I expect to see 60 people plus this year the unemployment rate is rising and the disc golf numbers are increasing

Titan Bariloni · Post by **Titan Bariloni** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 8:49 pm

CaptainAnhyzer wrote:
mista3putt wrote: Jeff early dates planned do you have the same schedule for your ice bowls every year? and can you make your ice bowl a dubz so a new event does not need to be created less work that way

J-Park Ice Bowl is always the weekend after the Super Bowl. Making it a dubs event could be a possibility. Get the divisional issues squared away and then we'll talk.

If you wanna keep it simple:
Pro/Pro
Pro/Am
Am/Am
Mixed(male/female)

thinking we need a division for the older crowd and a only ladies team.

is the pro/am really needed. not saying I think it is butwould like to hear comments on that.

my goal was 5 or less so td's can still have creative control and less work

Jeff Wiechowski · Post by **Jeff Wiechowski** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:34 pm

mista3putt wrote:thinking we need a division for the older crowd and a only ladies team.

too many good 40somethings, make it a GrandMasters division

Titan Bariloni · Post by **Titan Bariloni** » Tue Jan 26, 2010 9:53 pm

CaptainAnhyzer wrote:
mista3putt wrote:thinking we need a division for the older crowd and a only ladies team.

too many good 40somethings, make it a GrandMasters division

I agree on that over 50 or play pro or am1

Kenji Cline · Post by **Kenji Cline** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:59 am

I like the century division for the older crowd, combinded age of 100 or more.

Eric Kevorkian · Post by **Eric Kevorkian** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:17 am

kenjiac wrote:I like the century division for the older crowd, combinded age of 100 or more.

That's pretty cool...I like that idea.

Divisions - keep it simple. Pro/Pro, Am/Am, Rec/Rec, Mixed

Have you decided on if it's going to be a "random" thing, or people pick their doubles partner for the whole season?

James Lane · Post by **James Lane** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:27 am

Personally I'm just not that big a fan of doubles.
That aside, scheduling will be very tough IMO, even in March there is hardly time.

Karl Molitoris · Post by **Karl Molitoris** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 9:52 am

Obviously a lot of good ideas (none really "better" than the other). Just a few thoughts...

DG (now) is "fraction'd up" via pro vs. am, both genders, ratings / ability breakpoints, and different age groups. This causes wicked headaches when "trying to do everything for everyone" (placate all the individual-type pundits) and most of the time makes any 1 group small.

And since there will probably be a LOT of "combination teams" (Int & GM, Woman & 970-rated, etc.), why not make it "as simple as possible"?

Pick 1 or 2 of them only.

If pro vs. am is REALLY important to you, go with that. If not, get rid of it. If men vs. women is important, fine. If not, it's not absolutely necessary to have it, is it? If you're big on the "age thing", split into age catagories; if not, lump everyone into 1 age! Etc.

If your goal is to really try to have "equal players play together" then 'abilities' - while a bit subjective - is key. If it's to "have fun", then most any team goes!

Things to remember:
Two "lower" pros are worse than two really good ams.
How do you "pigeonhole" (if you're using the "better shot format") a REALLY good player and a substantially lesser player?

It can be done a myriad of ways. Just make it easy on yourself. Think "simple".

Karl

Titan Bariloni · Post by **Titan Bariloni** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:25 pm

Just make it easy on yourself. Think "simple".

yes Simple is the goal.

The idea is to be a Fun series so mixed and age protected would be more of a priority then pro/am to me if you are a good Am paired with a pro then play pro. or step down if the Am is of newer skill level and play Am,mixed ect..

thanks for the input Karl and your right not everyone will be happy but as long as the majority is to start I think it will work

Have you decided on if it's going to be a "random" thing, or people pick their doubles partner for the whole season?

the idea is not to have random doubles but to have preset teams. Yes your teammate may change fine if you want to work with 3 teammates I don't care. Just remember you need 3 events to qualify for "finals" and then your choice on who ya play with at finals.

That aside, scheduling will be very tough IMO, even in March there is hardly time.

I have tried to piggy back as many events as possible to not create more tourney's in an already busy disc golf world.

Only new events in states like NH,VT where every new event should be held as a blessing rather then a burden.

the busy area's MA.CT,NY have mostly been piggybacked.

I think the season will be changed to last week in Oct to only 1 event in may and then finals

Mr Newman has offered to make his end of Oct dubz event sanctioned

That will help with scheduling huge for singles finals is earlier in Oct this year so 5 of the 12 events will be completed before the new year

that only leaves 7 events from Jan to May 4 of those events are already preexisting tourney's

well things seems to be going smoothly and scheduling is coming along great.

division,division,divisions hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Mike Dussault · Post by **Mike Dussault** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 1:42 pm

If you need three events to qualify for finals, and you play with three different people during the season, does your partner also need three events to qualify? :scratch:

Derek Brazauskas · Post by **Derek Brazauskas** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:09 pm

CaptainAnhyzer wrote:Derek, they have products for itchy scalp

But do they have products for moments of clarity?? :lol:

Titan Bariloni · Post by **Titan Bariloni** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:35 pm

mike d wrote:If you need three events to qualify for finals, and you play with three different people during the season, does your partner also need three events to qualify?

yes, not saying that is the route people should be going but if they wanted to they can.

12 events that's minimum 3 events for "finals" if you wanted... you could in theory play with 4 different partners and get 3 events with each then chose your partner at "finals" makes no sense to but you could.

leaves room for injury,partner moves ect ect ect... obv if any of those happened it would suck but at least your partner is not "set in stone" so you could still find a new one and get 3 events in for "finals"

but yes both you and your partner must play 3 events as a team to qualify not 3 different events.

Matt Stroika · Post by **Matt Stroika** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:51 pm

How many people do you think will end up as be qualified at the end of the series? My guess is 5-10 teams total across whatever divisions you decide on.

Not saying that it won't work, but maybe starting it as a state series and expanding might lead to greater long term success.

Titan Bariloni · Post by **Titan Bariloni** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:18 pm

Matt Stroika wrote:How many people do you think will end up as be qualified at the end of the series? My guess is 5-10 teams total across whatever divisions you decide on.

Not saying that it won't work, but maybe starting it as a state series and expanding might lead to greater long term success.

My lowest estimation 5-10 teams per state minimum so that is app: 60 people or 30 teams

for all you non believers this will be BIG and the year after even bigger.

My guess is there will be trouble fitting all qualified teams on 1 course for "Finals"
so we might even have to go to "TOP" teams in each division

You will see "build it they will come"

Kenji Cline · Post by **Kenji Cline** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:30 pm

mista3putt wrote:You will see "built it they will come"

Back to english class Titan :wink:

mista3putt wrote:Nazis just does not look right.

Ok I think I have plurals down

next lesson guys?

Next lesson past, present, and future tense

Titan Bariloni · Post by **Titan Bariloni** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:34 pm

kenjiac wrote:
mista3putt wrote:You will see "built it they will come"

Back to english class Titan

Oh no Kenji they brainwashed you to....damm G&S police are taking over

I have rights, officer
:lol:

Kenji Cline · Post by **Kenji Cline** » Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:39 pm

It's a good day on the board when all we are needling is Titan's grammar. :lol:

Titan Bariloni · Post by **Titan Bariloni** » Fri Mar 12, 2010 12:27 pm

Update:

We have almost all 12 events filled.

Except VT, CT any tds interested pm me.

We almost have sponsorship

We have dates set for the season. Late Oct to Early May

First 3 events will be Oct ? NY Fdr TD Bill Newman
Nov 11th MA Tully TD Titan & Derek B
Nov 13th NH Beauty Hill TD Blaze

Waiting to hear back from Limerick Valley(on vacation for a week)

Please someone from CT and VT step up....

other TD's I have spoken with please Pm me or post dates so I can get an early schedule formed of some sort.

Final locations? Divisions? Point tabulation? open for thoughts.........

Titan Bariloni · Post by **Titan Bariloni** » Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:11 pm

NEFA DUBZ SERIES by Utopia Disc Golf OFFICIAL SCHEDULE 2010-2011

Dates in RED are still in the works

October 2010:
31st? @ FDR NY

November:
11th @ Tully MA
13th @ Beauty Hill NH

December:
4th @ Buzzy's Creek NJ
CT

January 2011:
15th @Limerick Valley ME
29th @ Dragan Field. ME

February:
12th @ J-Park NY
?? @ Tolland

March:
12th @ Borderland MA
18th,19th @ CampGaw NJ

April:
@ Rancho Ranch in Rindge NH
@ VT

May:
@ VT
open
FINALS @ location TBA soon Memorial Day Weekend 2011

Titan Bariloni · Post by **Titan Bariloni** » Mon May 10, 2010 3:50 pm

I will need a way to input points...since this is for NEFA I would think the system we have should be available for this.....I am more then willing too input the points.

Ty for any information.

Td's I will have a package regarding the Series out to you sometime this summer.... Ty for all your commitments...this is going to be a great way to "grow NEFA"

Rob Tatro · Post by **Rob Tatro** » Mon May 10, 2010 8:26 pm

Hey Titan, just checking out this thread for the first time in a while ... are you still looking at Memorial weekend for a potential finals date? That might be a tough date for a finals ... schedule looks great though.

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