Divisional crossover players

[Gary Cyr]

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[Titan Bariloni]

I will say this..

I have busted frigging arse this year to better grasp Nefa as a whole to reflect that in the "Charter"...I have listened,argued,researched,discussed,observed well since last year....when making choices I know not all of NEFA can be happy with results..but when the Charter is updated it will have been well thought out and every angle shot...

no brainers like men in women's division and highest division in NEFA just adds dumb curveballs that I guess have to be S-P-e-l-l-e-d out for the sake of this very discussion..!

I have made no changes to Charter and will continue my discussions with BOD and Sub Committee to determine the direction of Charter and the Series...I just want to have the overall picture before doing so to completion...after Finals is over and I hear all the gripes from the year..I already have the last few years of gripes listed....

I in no way think 1 person should be doing this..hence the sub committee...(something I was called "going rogue" for creating)...wowzer on that..its called wanting a more diverse and well thought out process...

These words are not an attack or defense just simply FACTS

Not to mention the crap I had to deal with for the so called...members elected Pres quitting...blaming me for mental/physical health issues...and basically setting back all the volunteers months having to deal with that.....

nuff said before I explode....

also the invite list had "most" of the BOD working day and night crunching every number and every angle to determine what would best reflect the 2010 Nefa year and the direction NEFA wants to move in future..!

[Daniel Marcus]

Wow... JUST A QUESTION, boys!!!

Are you specifically talking to me Gary? Yeah, yeah I should have known, and as a result of not knowing I qualified for both. I did think this was new... there was no discussion last year - Bob gave me grief for switching to Open on the "morning of" at Enman last year, but I just thought it would be the funnest way to go.

So now I ask for clarification (shame on me) and next thing you know youre saying I'm trying to "benefit" and crapp*ing on volunteers? And where do you get this "blazing speed" business? Is that directed at someone else, or am I missing something here?

In all your NEFA service can you recall ever having to answer a question of mine or deal with me in any way? Someone must have shi*t in your messkit, but it wasn't me pal...

[Titan Bariloni]

In all your NEFA service can you recall ever having to answer a question of mine or deal with me in any way? Someone must have shi*t in your messkit, but it wasn't me pal...

you trouble maker...smiley is to show I like you... ..(sorry I have to be so literal) I am watched..!

You kinda walked in a shiznit storm..this invite list has been a hair puller....honestly

[Buzzkill]

Miss ya'll down here in SC.

USDGC...one divison one champion.

Yes, I am playing MPO.

If the charter needs clarifcation, then so be it.

[Rob Tatro]

Just another reason why most likely never renew my NEFA membership. When is someone in this organization going to take a stand against these people that muddy the waters when it will benefit them?!

Really Gary ... really? So typical coming from one of the ex-Buff take my ball and go home guys. Nice tact. Sorry for trying to listen to other people's point of view ... pulleez

[Gary Cyr]

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[Rob Tatro]

What are you talking about ... of course being a leader is listening to other points of view even if they are in the minority, are you serious?

I'm listening to you now Gary and everyone else who chimes in for that matter as I said I would and haven't made any decision for or against it yet. When I do, we'll go over it at our next BOD meeting and the issue in the charter will be cleaned up I assure you.

I simply weighed in and let Daniel and John know that I could see their points and agreed with them for now ... however, you chime in with guns blazing using all caps and terms like, "for crap's sake", I think your tact is weak. Ask Daniel if he felt attacked as well?

As far as taking a stand, you have no idea how the invite list was put together but if you're curious, send me a PM and I'll let you know.

[Gary Cyr]

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[Eric Kevorkian]

Billy is a "transplant"? What team did he play for before? Just curious...

[Gary Cyr]

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[Jeff Wiechowski]

"Because I love that dirty water. Oh, oh, NEFA, you're my home...."

[Pete Tolvanen]

Where does Tufts University consider his home?

-- For the purposes of the US Census Tufts will consider on-campus students as residents of Massachusetts.
-- (just stirring up the discussion - it's been quiet for at least a couple hours....)

Q: Where are college students counted?
A: The 2010 Census counts people where they physically live most of the time as of April 1, 2010, NOT their legal or voting address. Since college students typically live at their college address 8 months a year and their parents’ home for 4 months a year, they should be counted at their COLLEGE address.

[Gary Cyr]

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[Sandy Redd]

Interesting information Pete.

There are a lot of different ways to look at someones address.

What your drivers license says
Where you get your mail
Where the Census says you qualify
What a student that works in the summer or during the year will put on a tax return.

There's probably more.

This is really not relavant to the subject line of this thread. It only came up because Rob choose to use this as an example where I'm muddying waters for my own benefit. Then Eric thought he was getting over on me because I used the word "transplant" to mean he came from another team. When in fact, what I meant was that he in not local to or connected to Bordelands in any way. But somehow now this is OK for his team.

Back to the suject at hand,..Crossover Players.

neither are you so stop complaining. and if you want a piece of billy you can have him and he will dominate you and any other person on "team i dont want to play in the b pool" (aka burgess)

[Daniel Marcus]

Dam*n Gary,

Where would you want Billy to play? Or would you rather him not participate because he went away to college?

You never answered my questions; they weren't rhetorical.

Nevermind, I don't care...

[Steven Dakai]

What are you talking about ... of course being a leader is listening to other points of view even if they are in the minority, are you serious?

I'm listening to you now Gary and everyone else who chimes in for that matter as I said I would and haven't made any decision for or against it yet. When I do, we'll go over it at our next BOD meeting and the issue in the charter will be cleaned up I assure you.

I simply weighed in and let Daniel and John know that I could see their points and agreed with them for now ... however, you chime in with guns blazing using all caps and terms like, "for crap's sake", I think your tact is weak. Ask Daniel if he felt attacked as well?

As far as taking a stand, you have no idea how the invite list was put together but if you're curious, send me a PM and I'll let you know.

This is why Rob is going to make a great President- Hopefully for years to come.
I certainly hope everyone is reading all of this and holds their vote a little more sacred this year.
Thank you Rob, keep up the good work.

[Gary Cyr]

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[Joe Yaskis]

Rob
I'm kinda taking offense as you constantly rag on ex Buff players with your quote of "Take my ball and go home." Fist of all there is no ball in this sport, its a disc. I would think our PRESIDENT would know this. You seem to have no issue with Wick taking Shane Peters, Jason Johnson, and now Nick C. Give me a break. --

Second of all Gary is correct!
The highest division is PRO OPEN.
Some people play masters to strickly sand bag and make a 100.00 or so dollars at an event. Do you think I am lying? I have heard from masters who have just made the switch time and time again about why they played masters at a givin tourney. EX) There was an event at Wick where the Pro Master's champion lost to the 10th place Open player but still took first in that division. The pay check had to be pretty decent. Some times the masters score is better than the Open score, but rarely.

If you want to play masters, then stay there. If you want to play open, then stay there.
moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo-

[Gary Cyr]

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[Sandy Redd]

That was me Joe. Sounds like you recall I beat Daniel and wouldn't have even cashed in Pro. Guess why I played Masters that day. Yup, it was because the field in Open was to strong. That seems like the answer to the question of what division is the highest level,....No?,..Yes?

Redd,

I let your comment go yesterday. Because I'm really fired up over a NEFA elected official that clearly sees a written rule, and knows what it means. And I like this elected official,....A LOT!! He claims to want to get feedback from the players as to their feelings when they have a vested interest in the outcome of the decision. That's like asking A-rod if he was safe in 2004 when he slapped the ball out of Bronson Arroyo's hands on the way to first base. UMPIRE: "Ya Tito,..A-Rod feels as if he was safe because a running motion isn't clearly defined,..sorry". Seriously? Take their feedback but use it for a change next year,..not midstream. Additionally, if you are taking feedback, wouldn't you call the guy that wrote the rule to get the feedack on what was meant from the rule if it is truly unclear? Wouldn't that be the first opinion you would get? Would my phone have rang?

You know I like you. You may or may not like me. You may not like what I have to say. You may not like my opinion. You may not always like the delivery,...that's fine. But you know what. My points are valid. They are presented with reasoning as to why I feel it should be that way. At least I add validity and a viewpoint to the discussion. You chime in with nothing but crap. As someone that said to me they want to run for NEFA president next year, I expect more from you when discussion a subject of this importance to the NEFA series than what I see below.

neither are you so stop complaining. and if you want a piece of billy you can have him and he will dominate you and any other person on "team i dont want to play in the b pool" (aka burgess)

so why didnt you play for buff then, instead of playing for burgess which is clearly 2 hrs away from you.
I told u would run because things were getting out of control and you agreed with on that. all i know is that if team buff would have stayed together u would have been in the a-pool next year. Instead you and your whole said f' it. I hope your at the challenge cause i want you and no one else, settle the score once and for all

[Gary Cyr]

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[Shaun LaForce]

Gary I'm pretty sure we were in a much different situations when we chose to leave for a new team.

Please don't muddy the waters by dragging others into your mess.

[Daniel Marcus]

For the record - I understand that the open division is the highest division. I understand that at my age I have a choice of which division to play in at most tournaments. What I didn't understand is whether I had a choice at this particular tournament... SO I ASKED! Sorry I started such a [bleep]*storm. Really. Sorry guys...

[Sandy Redd]

What difference does it make to you Sandy?

I have my reasons and I talked about some of them. People have been switching teams since the end of year 2. It started with Jason Gordon who left a Championship team. There are many players that have switched teams but it seems as if everybody that is complaining only complains about the Buff players. Why don't you go ride all over Shane Peters or Jason Johnson. Direnzo and Chauvin both played for 3 teams. Sanderson left team challenge and came back as a Hodges player. What about LaForce? He was on Buff year one. Why is it OK this year for the Buff players that went from Buff to Hodges or Buff to Maple? Is it because they went from one B pool team to another B pool team. Surely that move must seem to make even less sense to players that are complaining about the moves. How does Billy Dunne really have any connection to Borderlands? Is it because he now lives close to there. Consequently you justify it due to distance from the course when in fact there is no rule at all about the distance a player must live from the course he plays for? Tatro telling me I'm muddying the waters for my own benefit. Pullezz . How can I make a rule that doesn't exist, unclear?

The dynamics of Team Challenge have changed since the original intent that Joe put forth. That's just the way it is. Rather than me list all my reasons again which I will be happy to go over with you if you feel it's really thatt important, let me ask you the following.

Whatever the reasons are, in the end they result in me not wanting to play with team Buff,..can we at least agree on that? I hope we can. Given that thought, what would you have me do and who would you have me play for? Or, should I now just not play?
This goes right back to, come at the discsussion with something besides just a complaint.

And it holds no water with me that you now say you only wanted to be President because things were getting out of control. So what, now that you don't want to be President you should just be allowed to interject meaningless complaints to a discussion rather than some valid argument or a solution? We already have plenty of those here on the board Redd. Maybe I just expected more from someone that wanted to lead this organization. Which is the same thing many people said about me when they were not happy with the the way I ran the election.

You can put me against you, Dunne, Dussault, or Kristi. It really makes no difference to me. But if you think a match between us is going to be the decider of who is better, you or I, you're crazy. You will have to beat me on a regular basis or at least have a PDGA rating that is higher than me before I tell you you are a better player than me. It will happen someday Sandy,..but not this year. I'll gladly play you on your home course where it's all comfy and cozy for you. The pressure is all on you there. Gonna be really painful for you when you lose.

your the best!

[Sandy Redd]

i never said i wasnt going to run. Dont assume gary because u know what that does. Op too late.
Your the Best

[Gary Cyr]

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[Daniel Marcus]

Wo's hatin? I just apologized, you big goof!

[Gary Cyr]

Sorry Daniel the last line is not a direct address to you. It more for those the keep coming by with their Seagull posts. You know what I mean. The responses offer no coherent arguement, ....just a lot of poop flying through the air.

[Rob Tatro]

Wowza ... slow day at the office Gary?

I'm sorry if I don't have time to call you for consultation or post more coherent, well thought responses while I have a 15 minute break between classes here at school (check the time of my original response) when I'm supposed to be working with my student teacher from Bridgewater State. On top of all that, to be nitpicked apart with such nonsense by someone who claims to love me - uh, uh don't go there Gary because you can't go back now.

I had time for one phone call last night at the end of the day and that was to Jason Southwick about something that is so much more important than this babble. Sorry but that's what this is ... babble.

You know I'll do right by you Gary, unlike you're doing to me. Thanks so much.

As for me needling Buff ... I thought it was all in good fun. Like I've done with Solbo for years with the, "your the best" comments ... I used to say that to him all the time because when I knew it got under his skin. We're pretty good friends so it was all in good fun and I knew I could get a rise out of him. I thought we were pretty good friends too and enjoyed getting the rise out of you, Joey, and the rest of you Buff guys but I guess not because this is a bunch of BS.

Sorry to have ever gotten involved in this nonsense ... go ahead and tell me how it's not nonsense and how important all of this stuff really is and question my leadership capabilities, that's fine. I never claimed to be a great leader ... just looking to help out an organization that I love.