A Pool Finals

[Kory Roy]

If you wanna call it playoffs and say top half makes the playoffs then there should not be a second bracket with the bottom 4, in all other sports if you don't make the playoffs your season is done. I also don't like that I not unlike everyone else, in the top and bottom half of this pool have spent all winter traveling around a minimum of 2+ hours to every challenge only to essentially get a "F U certificate" and a "thanks for showing up" excuse for a finals. Personally with this new system I would rather stay home then drive another 2 hours for a chance to get $5. Also think its dumb that in this situation the 4th place team gets screwed over with that 100 being sent to the winner of the bottom half finals for "incentive" to show up. I don't care if finals are going to be match play seeing as how that's how the rest of the season is played, personally feel last years and previous years set up was way better JMO.

[Steve Solbo]

You signed up for it. Now deal with it. This was proposed and voted on by the captains.

As for the set schedules, if the last 2day weekends are earmarked and a team can't do them what's the penalty?

[Kory Roy]

if set months and months in advance and you still cant field a team of 10 then you should know this in advance and try to work it out with whoever your playing if not you lose.

[Steve Solbo]

if set months and months in advance and you still cant field a team of 10 then you should know this in advance and try to work it out with whoever your playing if not you lose.

Same Scenario, weather is a big issue for back to back weekends, now you are potentially tapping into the next month severly hindering the ability to field 10 later in the month, thus fu-barring that challenge and potentially pushing that one back... what's your answer then.

What's your answer to all the B pool players and teams that show up to challenges with 10 people, due to set schedule and they arrive with 19 and bitch and moan, I know what my answer is, but you'd be sure to deal with alot of bitching and moaning.

The current scheduling allows for larger numbers to go, trust me. People's lives get in the way, a month in advance, they don't get in the way in October for a February challenge.

[Matt DeAngelis]

This has nothing to do with the A Pool finals, but I would like to point out that it would take half of your team to suddenly have a conflict for that months challenge. The problem with this is that the best players on the team may have a commitment jump up and they can't attend the challenge.

[Steve Solbo]

This has nothing to do with the A Pool finals, but I would like to point out that it would take half of your team to suddenly have a conflict for that months challenge. The problem with this is that the best players on the team may have a commitment jump up and they can't attend the challenge.

My team roster is only 14, therefore it's only 33% of my roster that would have a conflict for me to not be able to field a team.

So many holes that the set schedule people can't answer.

As I also said before, this set schedule would cause a decrease in numbers, thus pissing off the home team when Burgess shows up with 10, and they have 19.

Again, I don't really care, Burgess rolls deep where ever we go, even had 3 people sit twice in our past challenge!

Part of the challenge!

[Kory Roy]

if set months and months in advance and you still cant field a team of 10 then you should know this in advance and try to work it out with whoever your playing if not you lose.

Same Scenario, weather is a big issue for back to back weekends, now you are potentially tapping into the next month severly hindering the ability to field 10 later in the month, thus fu-barring that challenge and potentially pushing that one back... what's your answer then.

What's your answer to all the B pool players and teams that show up to challenges with 10 people, due to set schedule and they arrive with 19 and bitch and moan, I know what my answer is, but you'd be sure to deal with alot of bitching and moaning.

The current scheduling allows for larger numbers to go, trust me. People's lives get in the way, a month in advance, they don't get in the way in October for a February challenge.

A) Regardless of it being set schedule or floating like we have now if weather were an issue for the weekend you set then weather is an issue and you deal with it either travel through it or be responsible and get in contact with the opposing captain and reschedule. Part of the reason it would be wise to set the schedule for first or second weekend of the month so there is time for rescheduling.

B) That could happen no matter what the schedule is like and you just play your team to the best you can. Ive been on both ends of this situation and you just play golf either way.

C) None of your arguments have really had any baring on something that wouldn't happen in either situation. Get creative and solve a problem if it comes up. I personally know that if a schedule is produced in August that every 1st weekend of the month has a team challenge I wont plan something for the 1st weekend of the month in Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb March Or April. I understand [bleep] comes up last minute that's life, you deal with it as it comes up. Come up with creative solutions. I'm just trying to get across I personally have had a pain in the ass of scheduling nearly all of the challenges this year. Some of these situations were my fault yes, do I feel some of the dates we played caused my team a win, yes. Especially against Burgess, we went away from a date that I could have fielded a much larger team so that you could be in attendance and you still didn't show. Maybe the result wouldn't have changed but seeing as how it was such a close match I gotta feel having a couple of those extra players may have helped. A set schedule would prevent that. Everyone has the same date if you cant make it work with your team that's now your problem.

[Joseph Mason Proud, III]

Can't we please just finish taking care of this year's issues THEN move on to next year's issues.

Let's get back on the Finals topic.

[Joseph Mason Proud, III]

So - six weeks to go, and a lot still to straighten up here......................noone has anything to say?

WHERE WILL FINALS BE?

WHAT WILL THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF PLAYERS BE?

DETAILS ON HOW MANY SINGLES/DOUBLES MATCHES - WHICH WILL OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO CHANGE BASED ON HOW MANY PLAYERS CAPTAINS DECIDE TO PLAY?

Let's drop the Bpool[bleep] and get this straightened out now - not later............

[Joseph Mason Proud, III]

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[Joseph Mason Proud, III]

Awesome discussion[*]

[Titan Bariloni]

lol...I have been watching Lick...TR will be in bottom half and are at the mercy of TC gods..so anything is fine..although a location to plan for would be nice...really don't care about much else as it will prob be moot for TR

[Kory Roy]

Like titan said we are in the bottom so apparently it doesnt matter, think the new system sucks, someone let me know where us [bleep] teams play and we may show up

[John Dickison]

A Pool / B Pool moves are done based on regular season results, NOT Finals results:

New England Team Challenge Rules/Guidelines

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• The bottom two teams in the A Pool after the regular season get relegated to the B Pool next year.

• The top two teams in the B Pool move up to the A Pool next year.

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[Joseph Mason Proud, III]

Should be very interesting to see who makes it to top four .................

Projections - not in any particular order:

Wick 4-1
Burgess 4-1
Cran 3-2
Capt 3-2
NASA 3-2

Who will it be?

And, if the only tie-breaker is head to head, how do we decide who is #1 and #2 - and so on - if the two did not go head to head?

[Todd Lapham]

We should have some preset arrangement for number of singles/doubles based on # of players.

Agreed, how's this look?

20 -- 10 singles/5 doubles
19 -- 9 singles/5 doubles
18 -- 8 singles/5 doubles
17 -- 9 singles/4 doubles
16 -- 8 singles/4 doubles
15 -- 7 singles/4 doubles
14 -- 6 singles/4 doubles
13 -- 7 singles/3 doubles
12 -- 6 singles/3 doubles

[Todd Lapham]

We can play for it, or you and Solbo can come up with something to break the tie.

We voted to have a predetermined finals location, but I funk up and didn't put up the poll. Let's vote now I guess.

Hylands and Maple Hill seem to be the favorites. What do you guys think? We could do top half MH, bottom half Pyramids.

There's also Barre, Crane, Buff, West T and many more, remember no home courses.

[Stephen Ditter]

If 20 players from each team show up, we will only be counting 10 of the singles and 5 of the double scores? Is everyone playing and just using the top 10/5, or are only 10 singles and 5 doubles team playing?

[Todd Lapham]

10 singles and 5 doubles is all 20 players playing.

It's going to be like a challenge. 1pt for a singles win and 2pts for a doubles win. Win your match and move on to the championship.

[Matt DeAngelis]

We can play for it, or you and Solbo can come up with something to break the tie.

We voted to have a predetermined finals location, but I [bleep] up and didn't put up the poll. Let's vote now I guess.

Hylands and Maple Hill seem to be the favorites. What do you guys think? We could do top half MH, bottom half Pyramids.

There's also Barre, Crane, Buff, West T and many more, remember no home courses.

My thought is that the split finals locations don't need to be close to each other. I don't see a reason to have top half at Maple, and bottom half at P-mids. Seems like the day will be packed with activity and there won't be much mingling going on. Is the expectation that people would go from Maple to P-mids for the lunch time break, then back over to their course for the second round?

That said, I think Maple Hill and Hylands would be perfect.

[Todd Lapham]

I agree.

[Joseph Mason Proud, III]

I'm good with Matt's sentiment related to courses.

And, I'm good with Todd's singles/doubles breakdown.

Ass far ass tie breaking, we have to wait until after friggin Cran and Capt play
on 4/7, which leaves no time for any physical action to take place. We need to
finger out something now.............cuz I'm thinking there's going to be a tie for
1st AND a tie for third/fourth/fifth - and someone's gotta get left out...............

[Titan Bariloni]

question what courses do the B pool intend on using or does the A pool have first dibz in finals locations?

TR vote for pyramids,hylands,barre,crane, or any combo of

[Joseph Mason Proud, III]

Let's get the courses settled first.

Then we need to settle on the tie-breaker issue.

There's been a lot of yapping outside of this thread regarding format - we have a format. If it suks, too bad for this year. Now is NOT the time to reinvent.

Let's hammer out ALL the details - player minimums, etc. - then lay it down. The others will deal.


As far as courses go - I'm fine with either Hylands, Maple Skills, or Pyramids - do we have a thumbs up from these courses? I can talk to Jason re Pyramids .............

As far as the tie-breaker thing, maybe we just let the teams NOT involved in the tie vote on who they think should get the nod - if still a tie, then do the damn coin flip. But, don't let this happen again next year.

5.5 weeks to go - let's please just get this done.

[Todd Lapham]

Hylands for the top half of the A Pool has already been decided. Great course, centrally located and on a brewery. Easy decision.

I think Wick should be used for either bottom half.

It's up to Tolland and PHill to work something out for the top half of the B Pool.

Next year this will be predetermined for all.

As far as tie breakers Burgess is willing to play Wick for the tiebreaker. We can play earlier than our challenges, just incase. If either team loses, it wouldn't matter. Let's send a squad to West T or something and get this done. Any other ties the captains can do as they please.

[Andrew Streeter]

Hylands for the top half of the A Pool has already been decided. Great course, centrally located and on a brewery. Easy decision.

I think Wick should be used for either bottom half.

It's up to Tolland and PHill to work something out for the top half of the B Pool.

Next year this will be predetermined for all.

As far as tie breakers Burgess is willing to play Wick for the tiebreaker. We can play earlier than our challenges, just incase. If either team loses, it wouldn't matter. Let's send a squad to West T or something and get this done. Any other ties the captains can do as they please.

The A pool gets the great course centrally located, the facilities, and the Brewery. I dont see any of that in bottom half except for a great course?
Doesn't seem like the right choice, correct me if I'm wrong?

[Todd Lapham]

They don't have to, I'm just saying I think Wick should be used.

Where do you think they should go?

[Andrew Streeter]

They don't have to, I'm just saying I think Wick should be used.

Where do you think they should go?

Depends on who's in the bottom half, maybe Thompson, Buff, Barre, Hylands on the Sunday?

[Todd Lapham]

Team Hyland is in the bottom half for sure, so that's out.

I suggested Wick because it's a sick course and they aren't in the bottom half of either pool.

[Andrew Streeter]

Team Hyland is in the bottom half for sure, so that's out.

I suggested Wick because it's a sick course and they aren't in the bottom half of either pool.

That's all it is though, a sick course.

Wouldn't it cause most teams to have to travel further than they really need to?