Money?

[Kelly Conroy]

It should stay the same as it has been!! And i feel B pool should contribute to the A pool. $.02

Not contributing to A pool. A and B mix next season, so if it's decided that B gives money to A then Noho will be out.

[Kelly Conroy]

Definitely down with settling the dollar issue pre-season versus having more to organize mid season... 100$ sounds good. If there are no payouts no need to do any more than 100 I feel like.

12 teams = 1200 for a B pool finals.

Are we going to do a top half and bottom half finals? I like this idea. And if so, add to the competition by making top half finals with 7 or 800$ and bottom with 5 or 400? Or keep it even at 600 each? Anyone?

For the record I don't think B pool should pay anything, but if it's decided that $100 is the cost, then all money should to one finals. Top half make it to finals and compete for it. You don't make it to the top half, you don't make it to finals. If we do top half and bottom half finals, both having money to compete for, certain teams that are near the bottom of the top half, might tank a game to qualify for the bottom half to have a better chance of winning $$$.

[Pete Charron]

If we do top half and bottom half finals, both having money to compete for, certain teams that are near the bottom of the top half, might tank a game to qualify for the bottom half to have a better chance of winning $$$.

no B pool team will be playing for money, at least as it seems to stand now. The money will only go towards food for a party and maybe CTP's for the day of golf.

I seriously doubt any team would tank to have a better chance at winning a ctp or eating less food. NBD brah brah

[Eric Maurer]

If A pool and B pool are not mixing it up in the finals this year then there is no legitimate reason for any B pool money to make it's way to A pool. B pool should do what it wants with B pool money. I'm in favor of cash payouts.

[Dave Hickson]

I think $100 a team. $400 to the bottom half $800 to the top half. That should be used for food and drink then ctps. No b pool money should go to the a pool. I'm not down wit dat.

[Steven Dakai]

I agree,it stays in B pool for the finals expenses. No payouts.

So lets get a poll or something up to decide.

[Pete Violet]

I agree,it stays in B pool for the finals expenses. No payouts.So lets get a poll or something up to decide.

Agree

[Todd Lapham]

Ok so it seems pretty clear that we're going with:

$200 for A Pool teams, all towards payout. (Minus permit if needed.)
$100 for B Pool teams, all towards ctps and finals party.

[Dave Hickson]

Sounds good. Thanks for hearing us out Todd.

[Kelly Conroy]

Ok so it seems pretty clear that we're going with:

$200 for A Pool teams, all towards payout. (Minus permit if needed.)
$100 for B Pool teams, all towards ctps and finals party.

$1200 dollars for CTP's and a party that not everyone will be able to attend to??? So a player helps his team by kicking a$$ the whole year, then has something to do on the day of finals and can't make it. That player will get nothing to show for the whole season? Totally unfair. I am all for a finals party, but I don't think that the $1200 should go toward a party that only benefits the players that can make the finals. I think people that attend would pitch in for a party on their own accord.

I am against this. I think cash prizes is the most fair for each TEAM. $1200 for CTP's and a party only rewards INDIVIDUALS.

[Pete Charron]

Gotta be honest, I agree with Kelly on this one.. Not sure of any other ways to divvy funds outside of paying the winning teams but they'd be paid with the hope of using the funds for course improvement, or a team pahty or somethin... I dunno I guess ya can't dictate what someone gonna do wit dey own cash. shoot....

[Keith Burtt]

in the past the ctps have been pooled and put into the course fund. My first year of team challenge there was a ctp on every hole from 20 to 50 bucks and at the end it was all put into the course fund

[Kelly Conroy]

in the past the ctps have been pooled and put into the course fund. My first year of team challenge there was a ctp on every hole from 20 to 50 bucks and at the end it was all put into the course fund

I am down for just competing for course funds. Pay in standings of the finals though. Make the team effort worth it, CTP's is counterproductive toward a team sport.

1st - $600
2nd - $400
3rd - $200

[Dave Hickson]

It's not about rewarding the loosing teams. I think it's about having a good time for all. The bottom teams should get a little piece of the pie. The bottom teams annually stay at the bottom. The way players get better then go to (better teams) and the bottom teams get (nothing) or more newbs to replace the players they lost. I see giving the bottom teams a Lil money for food and drinks is a thankyou. I don't think they should be given enough money for any more than that.

[Kelly Conroy]

It's not about rewarding the loosing teams. I think it's about having a good time for all. The bottom teams should get a little piece of the pie. The bottom teams annually stay at the bottom. The way players get better then go to (better teams) and the bottom teams get (nothing) or more newbs to replace the players they lost. I see giving the bottom teams a Lil money for food and drinks is a thankyou. I don't think they should be given enough money for any more than that.

Noho is a losing team every year man, but I still think rewarding a team that did horribly is lame. Name a sport that does that....

[Dave Hickson]

We are not structured like any other Sport though. The strength of schedule means a whole lot in TC. 5 matches in one season with 12 teams in our pool. That is going to make some unbalanced schedules.

I am not posturing for my team. I am thinking of TC as a whole based off how TC is set up.

[Kelly Conroy]

We are not structured like any other Sport though. The strength of schedule means a whole lot in TC. 5 matches in one season with 12 teams in our pool. That is going to make some unbalanced schedules.

I am not posturing for my team. I am thinking of TC as a whole based off how TC is set up.

Tust me, Noho understands strength of schedule. We had the hardest last year, but I still think that competing for course funds is the most honorable way to reward a team that did well. CTP's only rewards individual efforts.

[Todd Lapham]

Umm, everyone makes finals, there is going to be two in each pool...

I would think you of all people would want EVERY team to have a shot at winning money for their team.

I know Burgess and others have always treated winning CTPs as winning it for the course.

[Dave Hickson]

Team Buff donated the $100 to the tornadoe relief efforts. If it wasn't used for that it would have gone towards team gear or the course. So basically it was team money.

[Kelly Conroy]

Umm, everyone makes finals, there is going to be two in each pool...

I would think you of all people would want EVERY team to have a shot at winning money for their team.

I know Burgess and others have always treated winning CTPs as winning it for the course.

So, the regular season is pointless then. Why doesn't Noho just forfeit every game and just show up at finals then?

EVERY team should absolutely not have a shot at winning money, only the teams that deserve it should have a shot.

[Dave Hickson]

I'm not picking a fight I just don't agree wit you. The bottom half is only getting enough money to party. And if it's ctps or payouts to the top half who cares it's not about money at that point it is about WINNING.

If you don't play a single challeng you won't quallify for finals to win any money.

[Todd Lapham]

Regular season is fun and you have to finish in the top half to have a change to move up to the A pool next year, I'd hardly call that pointless. Not to mention there may be more money available to win in the top half finals.

Feel free to forfeit every match, but don't forget you must play in 3 challenges to qualify for finals...

Let's face it, there's not that many teams that can win the B Pool, I'd think that you (being on a weaker team) would atleast want a chance of winning money for your course, rather than donate it to the superpower teams. This will only lead to people complaining about stacked teams. The team challenge isn't cutthroat man.

Thanks for your opinion, though.

[Dave Hickson]

Regular season is fun and you have to finish in the top half to have a change to move up to the A pool next year, I'd hardly call that pointless. Not to mention there may be more money available to win in the top half finals.

Feel free to forfeit every match, but don't forget you must play in 3 challenges to qualify for finals...

Let's face it, there's not that many teams that can win the B Pool, I'd think that you (being on a weaker team) would atleast want a chance of winning money for your course, rather than donate it to the superpower teams. This will only lead to people complaining about stacked teams. The team challenge isn't cutthroat man.

Thanks for your opinion, though.

I couldn't have said it better myself. I tried though.

[Kelly Conroy]

Regular season is fun and you have to finish in the top half to have a change to move up to the A pool next year, I'd hardly call that pointless. Not to mention there may be more money available to win in the top half finals.

Feel free to forfeit every match, but don't forget you must play in 3 challenges to qualify for finals...

Let's face it, there's not that many teams that can win the B Pool, I'd think that you (being on a weaker team) would atleast want a chance of winning money for your course, rather than donate it to the superpower teams. This will only lead to people complaining about stacked teams. The team challenge isn't cutthroat man.

Thanks for your opinion, though.

I couldn't have said it better myself. I tried though.

Hey cool man! Can we also pass out gold stars?

Teams do stack, teams do poach...this structure allows it, so why the hell not? Teams will always try to recruit better players from weak teams to increase the chance of winning. It's the American way. I don't agree with it, but that's the way it is. If teams had, say a "salary cap", then you wouldn't have to worry about it...

And Todd, don't just say "Thanks for your opinion, though. You aren't in B pool. Let the B pool captains decide.

[Todd Lapham]

That's what I meant. Thanks for your opinion means I got your vote, loud and clear.

I think you'd be hard pressed to believe that I haven't listened to the opinions of both pools captains.

And no, we shouldn't pass out gold stars. Not fair to a player that can't make finals...

[Pete Charron]

damn man.. good early morn discussion working... After reading through I find myself swayed back in the direction of CTPs. I'd still be in favor of team payouts as well but the way Dave, Todd and Keith broke it down I see that CTPs for the end of the year is really not bad at all.

So if it remains as the fashion in which we divvy funds then the only question is what the breakdown will be for the two finals.



Will it be 800 and 400? Is this what we need a vote on now from B pool captains?

[Kelly Conroy]

And no, we shouldn't pass out gold stars. Not fair to a player that can't make finals...

I agree!

[Kelly Conroy]

damn man.. good early morn discussion working... After reading through I find myself swayed back in the direction of CTPs. I'd still be in favor of team payouts as well but the way Dave, Todd and Keith broke it down I see that CTPs for the end of the year is really not bad at all.

So if it remains as the fashion in which we divvy funds then the only question is what the breakdown will be for the two finals.



Will it be 800 and 400? Is this what we need a vote on now from B pool captains?

I vote $1200.00 and $braggingrights.00

[Pete Violet]

Ok so it seems pretty clear that we're going with:

$200 for A Pool teams, all towards payout. (Minus permit if needed.)
$100 for B Pool teams, all towards ctps and finals party.

Yes vote - the ctps are fun - and the money is still given to the team of the player.

[Pete Charron]

i dig the ctp's going to the team and i think 800 and 400 is a good split, although honestly I'd be down for any split so long as 1st half gets more than 2nd.. Other than that tsall good...