Rob Tatro wrote:Jeff Wiechowski wrote:Titan Bariloni wrote:The point is I did nothing to Rob,Gary or Solbo to make them quit....to me the message is for you all to grow up and take your own advice
WOW, that's a keeper !!!
Titan, are you serious? Nothing? From a PM I received earlier today:
Gary Cyr-2009 Prez............ Titan is part of the reason him not running again.
Steve Solbo-2010 Prez....... Titan results in a near breakdown and eventual early resignation.
Rob Tatro-2011 Prez....... Titan is part of the reason him not running again.First of all I'm not quiting, I'm choosing not running again. I will finish out this year and then gratefully move on. You're not the only reason I'm leaving but it's a big reason why. You paralyze our organization at times and it's frustrating as all hell. You have more time to scour this board than the rest of us, you have more time to post here than the rest of us, and you are incessantly critical when things don't go your way to the point where you force people to abandon ship because you just don't stop -- just like this thread, it will go on and on and on because you will have the last word. I'm sure of it.
Secondly, you don't acknowledge progress that's happening in front of your face because your so focused on dwelling upon what is not being done instead of what is. We've done some good things this year and the changes that we have made were positive one's met with positive feedback. We have members who
used to feel like they could start a thread with an idea but are afraid to because you come out with guns a blazing if you don't agree. The trouble is that for you, some isn't good enough ... it needs to be all or nothing and I just don't get that?
Thirdly, I will not admit that I don't like you because it's not true. I don't like to work with you, yes, I'll admit that but I enjoy playing golf with you as I find you highly complimentary and very courteous and I always love talking about poker, which you and I share a passion for. I think that even you would admit that you and I work differently and I just don't see us meshing ... maybe I'm wrong but I just couldn't ever see it working.
Edit: Andrew's post sums up his volunteer position perfectly. He saw a need, put himself out there as willing and able to help, and did so in a manner that was professional and courteous. Game on!
If the three people above wanna put that on me cool. I will try to keep it short and to the point
Gary,
I am truly sorry if I made ya feel "burnt" on nefa issues. I can honestly say if I agreed with you or not I saw great passion for DG from him and still do. I have actually apologized to Gary for some of the things that went down. As a new member getting attacked from every angle kinda made me put the gloves up. I kept my energy focused on the top of the ladder the president and not knowing too much about nefa I thought that was a great place to start. It sucked that year playing all those events just to hear it open to ALL. Then an issue spun an issue and so and so on kinda thing. I unlike most did not get to ease into the nefa forums as many new members just lurk some old members as well. I put myself out there and made my DG theories,ideas known. I gotta say at times it was rough. Then around the courses and events ya hear "I don't agree with everything ya say,but I do gotta say you have some good ideas" makes it easier to go through this BS sometimes. Your a decent guy nuff said
Solbo,
Oh lordy where to start.just two opinionated people well outspoken that have at times no regard for what other people think. Then added on the fact that we were rivals in an election that got pretty crazy by even US Presidential Election standards. No punch was held back. I still have had limited time around Steve. Mainly cuz he was always in another division cuz he is the best and he lives by the cape a place I rarely visit. The fact is Steve is an alright person to "discuss" topics with he usually gives ya some kinda well thought out explanation of his thoughts and like or not I can respect that. I also don't mind the "humor" or "sarcasm" some may see it as not using "tact" or abrasive I kinda just thinks its called being honest. I have just learned that Steve and I will almost always not agree on almost any given subject DG related or not. I am fine with that actually that is a great thing. Sometimes I say wow he is maybe right and other times I say wow he really believes this crap(mostly this one)
nuff said
Rob,
You are the sole reason I did not run for an elected position last year.To me you seemed like a nice guy and well respected guy around nefa why would I want to contest that? I wanted to support that and yes I did very much want to work with you and the current ADMIN any personal issue any BOD member had aside I was prepared to come into 2011 with a fresh perspective on the nefa growth process. I thought at the end of last year the admin was finally getting on the same page and Rob is right there is a learning curve on the nefa timeline and process for everything that yes even myself had to learn before I could start to actually move forward on ideas.
I thought I had explained the Charter deal with you to some detail. I had no MASTER copy to edit,was given grief to even get it. Once I jumped through the hoops to have it I went right to work with help from another Nefa member we edited many items and set in place some of the suggestions the Point Series Sub Committee had discussed over the year. Many items were just to "huge" for lack of a better word to just change,delete, or add. I felt with one more year and some more discussion added with some Nefa Ballot questions this year we could better grasp where the membership stood. Contrary to what people believe I wanted the reflection of the membership to be represented rather then my own ideologies. The leadership was up in the air last year and at one point vacant so it was difficult to address certain issues. I instead focused on a series to attract more members along with a few other projects while helping with the Nefa day to day operations at times when I could.
You chose to at the 11th hour cut me from my position for whatever reasons you may of had. My position was a volunteer position that I worked very hard at and took very seriously. I took it in semi stride and extended the branch still to help and be involved. I asked is there anything I can do? I was met with no response. So I just did my own thing this year keeping the Nefa Dubz series on the front burner along with some other cool Events.
I ask this has the logo been implemented into Nefa yet? Has one member of the BOD this year approached me about Nefa Dubz? I will give credit Nefa stepped up this year for the SO Event although I think the general focus of the Nefa mentality needs to switch and fill an Event of that nature rather sold out singles events that is another topic
All this preaching of don't bash the volunteers kinda makes me laugh. You can bet this if someone busted arse and got some things implemented and I was on the BOD the following year I would make sure they were followed through on. I never implied to "dump" it off just a group effort from the leadership of Nefa to support and promote for future generations to enjoy. Kinda would be like the next President scrapping the Grant program. I did not just go rogue with these ideas they were all talked about with whatever admin was in office at the time and all were supported as great things Nefa should have
I have no personal issues with you rob, and yes you were a great guy to play DG with only twosome at an event ever for me can't think of a cooler guy to share the day with. You share the same fun super competitive mentality I do on the course. I also always have a soft spot for any one who loves to hear the words "shuffle up and deal" and hates to see that 2 outer on the river.
I felt I was in some competition with Gary and Steve not the case with you Rob, complete opposite I felt we both shared the same goal and were gonna work hard together to achieve your choice was to cut me out of the picture and leave me in Nefa purgatory. I kept it shut for the most part all year a few lil comments nothing to drastic. When I asked a simple question on an already tiresome issue and was met with nothing but BS then yes finally I said F'IT
You can perceive this as the last word...I perceive it to be the truth
any edits were for the grammar police not the tact police feel free to quote and post any others I am sure I missed
Also by cutting me from my position that nobody else would touch at the time I volunteered was no more then a passive aggressive way to say "you sux" IMO How else can ya take it? My first gripe with Nefa was they did not pre post Finals logistics till after the season ended. Three years later the same thing. I know for a fact I would not have allowed this to be announced when it was. I don't see that as hindsight, I just know I would have inquired throughout the year and then made the members aware. So yes tis human nature to say "Ha told you so" after someone says "you sux"
I can honestly say I had an issue,I tried to help had a tough time with no admin,then was cut by admin. Then given crap by admin
The people scolding me really should look at the leadership more closely when it comes to affecting the ability to gain new members in this organization instead of just saying that person is just a bad apple or that person is just a bad apple...take a look at the tree more closely before you have no apples
boy!!
