NEFA Tournament Evaluation

[Michael Grossman]

Josh,
Thank you for being the first person to actually explain things to me. Understanding how this is done (or not) is the first thing I need to grasp in order to see what needs to be done to make it better.
And, yes, I am bitching.
HOWEVER, how the funk do you come up with the conclusion that I am not trying to be part of the solution?

[Josh Connell]

If you don't have a solution, STFU.

IF does not imply the statement is a conclusion. It's conditional. If you have a solution, by all means offer it. But if all you're going to do is bitch and keep snarking at the folks trying to offer you an answer, then yes, STFU.

[Matt DeAngelis]

Michael, it has something to do with the implied tone that comes across from message posting regarding the topic. I'm sure if there were an actual discussion had, offline, those subtle details wouldn't be lost. Knowing the history of something does provide some insight into what needs to happen going forward. However, it doesn't change the current position and situation we are in.

We need a new host for our forum and website. We need to find someone that is willing and able to develop that for us. There are several features of the current system that need to be re-designed going forward. It is not a good idea to transition into a new system or site during the middle of the season, nor would it likely be ready to implement until next year anyway. Unfortunately, we need to make the best of what we have now, and perhaps find new ways to work within our current structure. Research also needs to be done now to find new ways to approach our goals.

I appreciate your willingness to help make things better!

Now, can we please stop the thread drift and get back to the tournament evaluation! Thanks to everyone that has participated.

[Michael Grossman]

If you don't have a solution, STFU.

IF does not imply the statement is a conclusion. It's conditional. If you have a solution, by all means offer it. But if all you're going to do is bitch and keep snarking at the folks trying to offer you an answer, then yes, STFU.

Don't be an asshole.
This is a public forum and I have every right to post what I have, If you don't like it YOU can SIUYA.
Just because I haven't offered a fix for your mess already you are ready to ostracize me??

[Michael Grossman]

What about using MySQL. It's free.
And then build an upload app so TDs can upload an Excel file.
Then have an app that reads that Excel file and writes it to a database.
There are some already out there that can be adapted to what we need.
We would need a PHP programmer who can alter the code and build the right database.
It may cost a few bucks, but it would be very worth it.

ALSO,
upgrading the Forum is pretty easy, but will cost $85.00/year.

check out the NW disc golf forum - it blows doors on this antique!
http://www.nwdiscgolfnews.com/forum/index.php

[Steven Dakai]

If you don't have a solution, STFU.

IF does not imply the statement is a conclusion. It's conditional. If you have a solution, by all means offer it. But if all you're going to do is bitch and keep snarking at the folks trying to offer you an answer, then yes, STFU.

Don't be an asshole.
This is a public forum and I have every right to post what I have, If you don't like it YOU can SIUYA.
Just because I haven't offered a fix for your mess already you are ready to ostracize me??

[Titan Bariloni]

We need a new host for our forum and website. We need to find someone that is willing and able to develop that for us

I could make some angry post I will not..just some questions

What is Nefa doing to move this along? Does nefa plan on asking for a member who has the know how to volunteer? Where is this being done if so? If not will nefa be paying someone to do this? If so where is the job listing posted?

basically what is the next move besides for talking about it? and what would be the desired time frame?

What about using MySQL. It's free.
And then build an upload app so TDs can upload an Excel file.
Then have an app that reads that Excel file and writes it to a database.
There are some already out there that can be adapted to what we need.
We would need a PHP programmer who can alter the code and build the right database.
It may cost a few bucks, but it would be very worth it.

ALSO,
upgrading the Forum is pretty easy, but will cost $85.00/year.

also OP's solution seems to make sense..and keeps with the TD doing most of the work rather some volunteer inputting it all. just seems he offered a solution and even said he would help..why not quit the BS and just move forward testing if it would work

[Matt DeAngelis]

Titan, the process started a couple months ago. We have a lead on someone with that experience and are discussing further. If that doesn't work out, a post will be made to look for a member that can help out.

What the ombudsman posted is exactly what we were thinking. It is essentially the same as the PDGA, which was contacted and waiting reply. I have been PMing Mike and hope he is available in the coming months to help out. Timeline is still tbd, but probably will not be possible or advisable to undergo a major change during the middle of the season.

Everything that goes on behind the scenes, does not and should not warrant a public discussion. When it comes time to search for assistance or input from the membership, we will reach out.

[Titan Bariloni]

ty..

I disagree about open talks w/ membership in the planning stages of some issues..as we are all potential volunteers as Nefa is a volunteer ORG so any extra volunteers that could be attracted in the discussion to help w/ issue/project is crucial..as is any input members wanna add as we are a small ORG who all should be involved promoting the evolution of DG...what happened to inclusive?

this thread should serve as proof..! as Mike had no idea about history of points inputting..and also offered great ideas.help in solving future issues...may have not had his help if it had not been open talks..also maybe if it was open talks the timeline may have been further along in its progression

[Michael Grossman]

ty..

I disagree about open talks w/ membership in the planning stages of some issues..as we are all potential volunteers as Nefa is a volunteer ORG so any extra volunteers that could be attracted in the discussion to help w/ issue/project is crucial..as is any input members wanna add as we are a small ORG who all should be involved promoting the evolution of DG...what happened to inclusive?

this thread should serve as proof..! as Mike had no idea about history of points inputting..and also offered great ideas.help in solving future issues...may have not had his help if it had not been open talks..also maybe if it was open talks the timeline may have been further along in its progression

BINGO!!!!!!!

[Titan Bariloni]

actually the more I think about this hush hush mentality I get more ticked off...its a joke!

it is not the best method IMO...do as ya wish

I better just shut down the forum page for the day I feel the overwhelming urge to not use tact

should be an ignore topic button

edit grrr

[Jeff Wiechowski]

actually the more I think about this hush hush mentality I get more ticked off...its a joke!

Yes, it IS a joke that you think there's an active "conspiracy" to keep info from the membership.

[Titan Bariloni]

is not about a conspiracy its about open exchange of information to further evolve DG to the next level within the ORG using ALL resources available

the fact that certain peeps can't understand that is well a joke to me and the fact that people think protecting the imagine of the ORG/sport by hashing things out behind closed doors is the best option is well a joke

The fact that we have under 500 active members is a joke

[Matt DeAngelis]

I am not saying that you should remain quiet. All I am saying is that ongoing discussions take place within the elected officials. Trust needs to be given to those officers that the memberships best interest are kept in mind when working on issues. Everything that has been discussed here has already been discussed last month. Mike provided a technical concept to accomplish what we wanted.

[Jeff Wiechowski]

is not about a conspiracy its about open exchange of information to further evolve DG to the next level within the ORG using ALL resources available

the fact that certain peeps can't understand that is well a joke to me and the fact that people think protecting the imagine of the ORG/sport by hashing things out behind closed doors is the best option is well a joke

The fact that we have under 500 active members is a joke

Sounds like you want EVERYONE involved in ALL decisions. Are you looking for daily updates as to the progress of all open items?


The fact that you expect progress with your online persona is THE joke.

[Titan Bariloni]

the problem is and this is not a dig at anyone its just reality

perception...yes I know that the BOD is working on the issue..but does the membership as a whole know? as someone looking in(potential new member) or new/former member and they look at the events then look at points and see no current activity..what does that say?

to a new member it may say well what is this anyways then?

to a former member they might say well same shart no updates as usual

so why not formally address the membership potential membership on the issue and what is being done to rectify it...

this is no new issues by any means so this constant BS needs to stop and just BUCK up and FIX it

[Titan Bariloni]

how does anything about an online persona have anything to do with this?

no more deflections to that online persona or post BS...I state FACTS and don't care if I say them in person or online cuz the truth is simply the truth

don't deflect with BS like "every lil item" this is about a MAJOR ITEM the points inputting for the NEFA SERIES..so don't compare apples with pumpkins

don't say this is a new issue..it is NOT multi years OLD..and the original arrangement was a joke...don't care if it was cheap and saved work..it was a "quick fix" and now the shart restarts

[Jeff Wiechowski]

Nevermind all the improvements we've already made.
Keep focusing on what's not fixed.

[Titan Bariloni]

JW I understand

but why can't you understand this is MAJOR issue...no time for what has has not been done or measuring of CENSORED here...lets just ALLLLLLLLLL work together to fix

[Jeff Wiechowski]

You've must've missed Matt's post.............we're working on it.

If you wanna help, offer solutions, not the same old "BS".

[Titan Bariloni]

personally IDC about POINTS...really don't. I care about DG and Nefa is what this region has to promote DG on a broad level..so I care about more members cuz that equals more $ more resources to further the evolution..sick of seeing members who DO care and were pitched the series as a selling point to nefa being frustrated year after year with this same issue...thus swaying peeps from nefa IMO

I understand stuff is being done..what I offer is a suggestion to open discussion up to members on major nefa issues and maintain updates on the issue(s)..

online nefa town hall thread..hmmmmmm

edit..also I said over 2 years ago this method we have in place needs to be fixed..do I know how to fix it NO..does someone YES...does Nefa need to spend money..maybe prob YES

Is it more important then tees at a course...some may say yes some may say no...well without a good site Nefa doesn't have the ability to give people money for tees...so yes maybe a nefa grant for nefa is best solution.

OK I have work to do today
have a nice day

[Kenji Cline]

Titan, the process started a couple months ago. We have a lead on someone with that experience and are discussing further. If that doesn't work out, a post will be made to look for a member that can help out.

What the ombudsman posted is exactly what we were thinking. It is essentially the same as the PDGA, which was contacted and waiting reply. I have been PMing Mike and hope he is available in the coming months to help out. Timeline is still tbd, but probably will not be possible or advisable to undergo a major change during the middle of the season.

Everything that goes on behind the scenes, does not and should not warrant a public discussion. When it comes time to search for assistance or input from the membership, we will reach out.

I want to start out by saying I really think the Nefa BOD is doing a great job this year. And I'm not trying to pile on the bandwagon. I understand from being involved with DisCap BOD that alot of the members don't know the ton of work that goes on behind the scenes. But to the point of this post. If we are not upgrading the points system during the season can we get the kisco points up under the old system? Is Dave still willing to do the input or our we up the creek without a paddle?

[Michael Grossman]

[Matt DeAngelis]

Yes. Points will be updated under the old system.

[Titan Bariloni]

before I gotta go..just wanted to say

I do think the BOD has done some cool stuff..and I do trust they work hard everyday for DG.
I have been impressed with the current BOD thus far for sure.

Also wanna say Dave has done great things for Nefa and the system is kinda cool and has worked great since I have seen it..and yes I did see the old system as I was not member but lurked...its had some cool upgrades and stuff

I just didn't like the setup when I found out the issues with it...they out weighed the goods IMO for the over all picture..and thought wow that is not good way to have things set up for OBV reasons..

I do have an invested interest in this as the Nefa Dubz series has been in points purg of sorts..(singles now to I guess)with the series evolving I know I won't be able to keep up manually inputting myself and translating winners with simple math as the size samples will grow I will need the series to be streamlined and uniform...I wanna take it to the next level next season. I know I can determine winners this year cuz the sample size in divisions will be easy enough to do the math. The series has proven its merit to be apart of nefa IMO.

I shouldn't have to create a "New" system when we already had one..and I don't know how for one...so I have been waiting to see where Nefa goes..as I anticipated this move to new server/system to happen anyways I have been waiting semi patiently..so I am interested in this topic..as it will determine my next move with the series.. I wish to be involved in the discussion so Dubz doesn't get the cold shoulder on points again and I can get Dubz streamlined into nefa's transition

see what I mean about open discussions...ya just never know when someone has interest,input,resources to offer..as small as Nefa is all members should be able to work together rather this formal BOD requirement the ORG as a whole should be involved until we reach the next level of say 3000-5000 ACTIVE members as we are all connected anyways!

edit and for JW..you seem to think I shoot down BOD..when I was ON BOD and invented a NEW series for the ORG that I have followed through with..how does it look when the ORG does not support it? moral: people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!

so come be a BOD member volunteer...do things..then ok next year all done? that is frustrating...why do we still have the grant program? nefa dubz is to generate money not spend it and it gets no BOD support whatsoeva!...and that reference was just to make a point...not saying I don't like the program

[Jeff Wiechowski]

This last post from you is

The manner in which you display your frustrations is key to whether you rally the troops or alienate them.

[Kyle Stevens]

I suggested the same fix for the points system that was suggested in this topic back in September. Even offered to do the research and find out about costs. Migrating the site and getting someone to recreate the database should be the top priority.
Why would it be difficult to migrate the existing site and forum, sans database, to a new host? I understand why access to the database is limited to Dave, but is the rest of the site in the same boat?

[Matt DeAngelis]

Long story, short, it's in the same boat.

[Titan Bariloni]

nefa forum/website sub committee for volunteers with the know how to move forward on this issue?

will help when nefa transitions to new platform and will give a few more heads the info needed to explain,train anyone who would be using any software it comes with or is needed.

also will help reduce the major workload of BOD..seems a few are interested at least and matt seems to have a great grasp of the situation and does communicate well with others so I think he could handle the task delegation for the sub committee

just a thought to help move this along

[Sandy Redd]

please keep this thread to what the topic is about. No more drifting.
We are looking into it.
If you have a problem PM me and i will answer your questions.If it doesnt the thread will be locked