Ninigret Park RI

[Rob Walker]

P.S. I had a great time last time I played Ninigrete and enjoyed the course. T.M., thanks for all the work you have done.

[Ryan Girard]

What does YAWN mean anyway?
I remember some real works of "art" that i created a couple of years ago, a complete set of: to scale, deadly accurate, multi color, weather resistant, w/ posts, arrows to next tee, several hrs. each to make, FREE to everyone but me, go Fyourself and the F'n town.
Pics coming soon.
Really, who cares what the ProJo PureHoMos have to say about the course?
We don't need press reviews, we all know it sux!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Was that enough exclamation pts? Does everyone get it???????????????????
Let's start the comments now.

newbie for life,
j graham

I understand that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but when I see such a negative post, I assume that the writer is undereducated and not a nice person. Granted, I haven't met Jason, so I really shouldn't jump to conclusions. I try to not be too reactive or negative on this forum because I wouldn't want someone who hasn't met me thinking poorly of me, then when we get paired up at a tournament or league they would already think I'm a jerk. Luckily, I knew Titan and Buttons before they were posting on NEFA. I guess, I feel that you get more bees with honey.

Jason is definately not undereducated and is a nice person. If you knew the circumstances and the amount of work he dedicated to have it poo poo'd, then you would understand his frustration. And if you played here regularly, you would understand everyone's frustration.


But anyways.....


YAWN

[Joseph Mason Proud, III]

......................................ANYONE SEE THAT MOVIE BOY IN THE BUBBLE ?


wth is going on..........................................

time to wake up and join reality old man...................................

the days of quohog trophies are LONG done........................................

[Matt DeAngelis]

TRUTH!

[Rob Walker]

What does YAWN mean anyway?
I remember some real works of "art" that i created a couple of years ago, a complete set of: to scale, deadly accurate, multi color, weather resistant, w/ posts, arrows to next tee, several hrs. each to make, FREE to everyone but me, go Fyourself and the F'n town.
Pics coming soon.
Really, who cares what the ProJo PureHoMos have to say about the course?
We don't need press reviews, we all know it sux!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Was that enough exclamation pts? Does everyone get it???????????????????
Let's start the comments now.

newbie for life,
j graham

I understand that everyone is entitled to their opinion, but when I see such a negative post, I assume that the writer is undereducated and not a nice person. Granted, I haven't met Jason, so I really shouldn't jump to conclusions. I try to not be too reactive or negative on this forum because I wouldn't want someone who hasn't met me thinking poorly of me, then when we get paired up at a tournament or league they would already think I'm a jerk. Luckily, I knew Titan and Buttons before they were posting on NEFA. I guess, I feel that you get more bees with honey.

Jason is definately not undereducated and is a nice person. If you knew the circumstances and the amount of work he dedicated to have it poo poo'd, then you would understand his frustration. And if you played here regularly, you would understand everyone's frustration.


But anyways.....


YAWN

Fair enough, that is why I said that I shouldn't jump to conclusions. I think that it can be easy to forget that the majority of the audience on this forum does not know the poster personally and can read posts without full knowledge of any background associated this the subject being posted about.

[Karl Molitoris]

Knowing only some of the people "involved" here (not that that really makes any difference) but understanding that people are frustrated for whatever reason(s), let me try to shed some light on misconceptions and assumptions that people have...both in disc golf and in life in general.

If you want to get all emotional about things, save yourself some time and don't read any further. You've already made up your mind and won't listen to reason.
If you want to potentially learn some things (they may be painful to you) and understand the "other side" and the situation in general, toughen up and continue.

IMPORTANT
Courses come in 2 varieties: Public and Private. And because there is debate as to where this line is drawn - read the next statement.

EVEN MORE IMPORTANT
Courses, whether public or private, have a person / group of people who are "in charge" of the land on which the course exists. It may be the actual land owner; it may be the person who, by law, has control over that land / functions happening on that land; it may be someone else. But it WILL be someone / some group. They are the "powers that be" and THEY - and they alone - have the final say as to what happens on that land / to that course. These I will refer to them from now on as the PTB.

1. You should never "work on a course" without consent of the PTB.

2. People who volunteer their time "working on a course" MUST understand that what THEY do may not be what the PTB wants to have done. Read: Unless you're prepared to be disappointed, don't do anything with PERMISSION from the PTB.

3. Know who REALLY is the PTB.

4. The PTB may change over time and thus what you've done in the past MAY have been for naught (for the future). It worked then (and you reaped the benefits of it) but that was the past and the past is gone. Long live the (new) king. That's life.

5. If you can't "handle" any / all of this, too bad. But you've got a full-proof recourse! Become the PTB for a course.

6. Can't do that? I suggest you FIND a way to live with 1 - 4 above. Especially 2.

Karl

[Matt DeAngelis]

[Karl Molitoris]

Matt,

I'm sorry you can't see the truth (which I've stated here - and not just for Nini, but for most things in general), and I'm really sorry you can't accept it (as is evident by your 1-emocon post as a response).

Karl

[Matt DeAngelis]

It's not that I don't understand what you are saying. YOU don't understand a lot of things. For you to hop onto a thread and stand on your mountain top preaching about something that you have limited history about, makes me roll my eyes.

Most public courses have a rule by committee type of mentality. A group of people make decisions that are in the best interest of the course, with approval from the PTB.

[Karl Molitoris]

Matt,

1. You are correct in that I don't know all the details.
2. And you are correct in that the decisions about most courses* are 'made by committee' with approval of the PTB.

*at least the ones where there doesn't seem to be a lot of strife going on - unlike Nini

3. I am 'preaching from my mountain top', as you put it, in general terms - in hopes that people would drop their emotions and see things AS THEY REALLY ARE (and not how THEY perceive them).
4. I don't NEED to understand a 'lot of things'. Sometimes you (and others involved intimately with this issue) can't 'see the forest for the trees' and it's best for someone - unbiased - to point out certain things. In this way, emotion is abated and logic is instilled into the fray (which can only help). If people don't want to hear general truths and truly try to apply them to their specific situation, they are doing no help in working toward a solution. I hope you're not in this camp.
5. I believe not ALL the combatants in this melee REALLY know WHO the PTB is! Unless every single one of you here find this out you're all in for a nice, long, emotional "get nowhere".

It's because I AM an "outsider" that I can see things differently! I have no vested interest either way in this mess. I'm just trying to show some real-world logic (about "the land owner / their proxy rules everything") in hopes to take all this 'effort' (now used in arguing) and put it into some more constructive use.

If y'all want to continue to bicker, no skin off my back.
If y'all want to take a minute to consider the REAL situation - unemotionally - and then collectively plan progress, I'm just offering thoughts as to what emotional people sometimes omit to see.

Karl

[Ryan Girard]

Is the FARM done yet??????????????

But, on a serious note, RIDGC Quohog Bag Tags! Thanks Mr. Lick, I like it

[Joseph Mason Proud, III]

Living in the past............................



Living the dream..............................................................................................
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[T.M.DYER]

Hey All,

Just a lot of Fun reading through this...

Pretty Funny that a couple of years ago Jason puts in multiple hours to create signs for the blue tees for the course...

I do not remember that the Town of Charlestown was approached by Jason or anyone to ask if it was ok and/or to get permission...for him to install these pieces of "art"...

Ryan says "If you knew the circumstances and the amount of work he dedicated to have it poo poo'd, then you would understand his frustration." I wonder if he is refering to my 14yrs of effort to bring this project to this point....Or ....

Ryan says " And if you played here regularly, you would understand everyone's frustration."...

It is interesting that he speaks for "everyone"...and their frustration...

Ryan You Really Only Should Just Speak for Yourself...and "Get your FACTS straight bud"...

To quote Jason " Really, who cares what the ProJo PureHoMos have to say about the course?
We don't need press reviews, we all know it sux!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

It is one thing to rag on me...but...these new excited players....growing the sport...that is what y'all keep saying...How Does This Work???

So Lick...What is it that you are suggesting...come right out and say it...

I want to thank Rob Walker for the Kudos...

Thanks Karl for the attempt to bring an objective point of view...

The PTB (POWERS THAT BE)...this is right on the money...PTB is the Town of Charlestown...

The town invited me to help them design and install a Nine Hole Disc Golf Course in the Fall of 1996...

I have been working with the town since then to bring the project to where it is today...

It is interesting that some of the details get lost in the uproar...

Does anyone reading this...Know/ remember that in the fall of 2008 the entire course was pulled out of the ground... This was because a player NOT working with the town...Who was busy doing his own thing...

I did not walk away or give up on the project...

I continued and was able to convince the PTB to reopen the course and let "Us" finish installing an 18 Pole Hole Disc Golf Course...

In Sept of 2009 after almost an entire year...we were able to put back 8 holes...

Lots more details to bring it current...An entire 18 pole hole layout with 3 sets of tees...

It is easy to sit at home and make comments about...put in a few "details" as you seem to remember it...

Not sure what it is that I have done to these "unhappy" players that continue to complain on the internet that it is so awfull having an 18 Pole Hole Disc Golf Course on 30 acres to play for FREE anytime that it is daylight...

I depise the open forum on the internet...

Thanks,
T.M.DYER

P.S. Lost somewhere in here are some bright points...Luke W and Matt R are coming by my shop tommorrow to do some concrete and dye work...to go through a learning curve...see what will work the best for some cool ideas that we have to do concrete Tee Pads on all of the tees on the Disc Golf Course...

P.P.S. John Szymanski Please Give me a call...401-789-9005...

[Titan Bariloni]

interesting indeed...

I mean I just want Nini to be a better and better place. And do my part to "growing the sport"

ok growing is out evolving is in...so now that the class is updated lets proceed with discussion

TM,

I respect your history and continued efforts for DG throughmany platforms most requiring hard work,time,money.

I also respect your theory and old skool taste in design. I also respect your dedication to following exactly what the parks and REC need/want/tell/ect as in the end "they" are the ones with say.....now..but wait here is something to ponder.....

If DG blew up at Nini and the peeps showed from all around..I would then think the people have the say as they are the voice of the town in a sense...so efforts to attract people are actually key to evolution...if the town does not allow formal gathering even with no fee I say that is just repressed nazi crap and the town will forever reign the voice thus holding DG back and causing this rift....and we may need to come down there all Team America..that was slight sarcasm for the casual non Titan reader..lol

Is there anyway/interest in a league,official club that collects no $$$ that could still gather to maintain that balance of people to power that be ratio..and IMO if the land is there..no matter the design theory if it is public land then the people should also then be able to dictate/cater the design as they are the ones who truly own the land..tax payers...although the people/person who put work in have value in many things as well they most also keep the best interest of the people in mind


so as the league grows take input and actually give their input consideration...I agree with the peeps about the tees signs..and this is said in all do respect..and goes a lil deeper into eddy's mind IMO

the "newb" we shall call the player in this next point.

ok on your theory of developing from newb back...I agree in a sense but I think the overall grasp was missed here and actually counterproductive..explanation..

ok so we have nice newb tees and signs and pins out...so we go to "evolve" instead of devolve to rec we are gonna go to long...

so we say hey lets just back this tee up say 100ft and booom we have a pro tee....fine until ya really dissect it

basically it causes a mess and messes with human nature to its core....

it creates issues with above mentioned tee signs,trails overall confusion..sometimes too many options is bad thing

ok onto to human nature side..and remember if the course is generated towards newbs we are mentality of a newb....and they don't care about multi shots ect they are learning or trying to beat a buddy and just wanna know the total strokes...so they can judge skill..as humans often judge skill by score

that said..how is he gonna feel when he plays from short tees? not like a man! IMO...that is not good..or with just a shorter tee and no added diverse element they feel like WTF this is kinda lame its just shorter....thus defeating the original point of catering to newb

yes I tend to dig deep into human nature when I am dissecting an issue mixed with other info..and when we are talking in "theory" this case design things like that should come into account

what I propose and its becoming a reality more and more with the land DG is being given of late..and IMO Ninni has/had

Is to offer a unique shot for the pro/newb player with trails that "flank,loop,ect" and don't interfere offering unique vantage points..even to same pin(not to increase cost for baskets) in many cases can be done safer then just adding shorter/longer tees

and sometimes terrain may make the newb area easier..sometimes its just the overall shot needed to execute on hole..as to me a "hard" hole does not mean "rough,long" terrain as it means shot selection for hole...add terrain in and then ya have mega holes maple hole 1 for standard regional example....this can be done with proper land with added design though and some extra work but IMO makes the land appear overall nicer as more of it it cultivated(this said under the context that areas will be semi landscaped eventually as they should be IMO,its not about slapping pins and baskets)

now back to human nature..now the casual player "feels" they were given "THOUGHT" as they are offered a unique adventure then those "pro dg'er goofs"..then just a shorter girly adventure..when they stilla ctually walked the entire way...

or just make a solid 18 that is diverse..if added land is there then onto 27..if ya find a hole or 3 to be crazy then add rec tees IMO...

as for added features..the monster..hey not a fan but every course has its "thing" I just think the land back there is awesome looking and to me should be the highlight as it sits its a natural beauty..

as for mow friendly...hey I see the point..but we DG'ers could always make edges and create a lil circle and mulch..or as stated above "landscape" around tees and create defined edges for them to mow around

some middle ground msut be able to be found to get peeps together and no more rifts so everyone can be happy and enjoy the course instead of the cloud on it for whatever reasons and the hush hush ya don't know the past....who cares really..I respect the past and like history myself...lets talk the future of the course at this point though

I do think nini has great features and some common ground must be able to be found

well anyways just thoughts enough for now nothing but prob scattered at best

edit posted and did not read last post

goodnite

I will say yes ya gotta get permission to work or have adopt a hole programs and have peeps report task back for one parks like to log volunteer hours and have waiver signed...gotta go now..but YES peeps 100% should not just be working unless they are in on the plan or following kiosk work task duties listed by course authority as ok to "chip away at"

[T.M.DYER]

Hey Titan,

I love your post...to long for me to reply to anything specific...

look forward to trying to later...

Number One Issue...PTB...

Sweet Dreams...to all those in NEFA Land...I hope that all of your discs fly out of your hand like you imagined just before release...

Thanks,
T.M.DYER

[Rob Walker]

Hey Titan,



Sweet Dreams...to all those in NEFA Land...I hope that all of your discs fly out of your hand like you imagined just before release...

Thanks,
T.M.DYER

It is always nice to end with something optimistic.

[Ryan Girard]

Keeping with the optimism that Rob put out there.............

Love the new spots for the signage!!!!!!!!!!!.......................

Having signs on the putting green is going to be the best................

Can't wait to continue to work on my straddle putts by leaning out behind a sign...............

#epiccoursedesigner#edheadrickJR#brilliant!

[Matt DeAngelis]

What? A sign on the green?

[Ryan Girard]

YA!

Just as an example, a possible location of a sign (noted by a green "X" on the ground)
would be just left of the basket to the old hole 1 (currently hole 5), before the path to the next hole.

It would sit on the green to old hole 1, just to the right of the path to the next hole if you can picture it.

IT'S GOING TO BE WICKED AWESOME

[Matt DeAngelis]

So it is just a X on the ground right now, not an actual sign post put in the ground? Hopefully the Ninigret Disc Golf club will come to a vote on the design/placement of the signs to ensure that they are not in play.

[Jason_Graham]

The club has decided, and HE wants them right where the club has indicated, wait for it.................

It's really funny that whenever anyone has a suggestion to, dare i say, improve the course, and mentions it to TM, his 1st response is " take it up on your own" and, "get your own quarrem with the town," then in the same breath, his 2nd response is "the town would rather just deal with one person and NOT a club when it comes to the disc golf course."
?
WARNING: quotations are only approximate, but damn well accurate!

I have a vision

[James Sweat]

Is there a new layout? Last time I was there it was almost impossible to navigate. Is it 18 holes now? Do you still have to walk up fairways just to play back down them?

[Matt DeAngelis]

Hey James, All 18 pins are in the ground! The starting hole has changed, but the holes haven't. You still have to walk back down the fairway of one of the holes, only to tee off down that same fairway.

[Norm Fitzgerald]

Let's just say I'm not behind the committee on this one!!! Not after it had us all branded outlaws for '' altering'' the course or running''unauthorized'' events when it's only a few guys trying play disc golf........

[Rob Walker]

The fact is that this course is actually detrimental to the sport,with ignorant designing and abominable real estate our state has lost more players over the years then gained them,hang on there's a tic biting my poison ivy rash and my Tee-Bird is stuck in the top of a cedar-gotta go-

I would like to hope that this is sacasm. I find it hard to think that someone would really believe that any course (no matter how bad they feel the place is) would discourage players to keep playing disc golf.

[Matt DeAngelis]

No, they just move to Borderland!

[T.M.DYER]

Hey Norm,

Welcome Back...

Thanks for the compliments on the course...

I want to find someone who has a stand of bamboo where we might be able to get at least fifty...one inch to 3/4inch... 12 to 15 feet long...pieces of bamboo...place one at each cedar throughout the course to help poke out those errant throws that stick in the cedar trees...

Anybody got any leads...

Thanks for all your help...
T.M.DYER

[Matt_Reed]

norm, what you say makes no sense. if you don't like it don't play it. go kick rocks. some people enjoy the challenge of this course.

[Ryan Girard]

Who the hell is NORM?? This guy can go spit, kick rocks, and eat dirt.

If you don't like TM's playground, go find a bunch of acres and build your own course.

Oh wait, you did

See you out there buddy


BTW.........The RI Championship Committee will be holding its bi-monthly meeting soon to discuss fund raising options. The Gov'ner silhouette taking a leak on a lighting bolt, i.e. Calvin and Hobbes style bumper stickers anyone???

[Matt_Reed]

congrats on the new course norm