Suggestions for 2010-11

Jason_Graham · Post by **Jason_Graham** » Mon Mar 15, 2010 10:30 pm

Is there any way of getting the team challenge series sanctioned by the pdga?
I'm sure they'd have some good ideas/rules. :roll:

Eric Kevorkian · Post by **Eric Kevorkian** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 9:38 am

j graham wrote:Is there any way of getting the team challenge series sanctioned by the pdga?
I'm sure they'd have some good ideas/rules.

Did Fab hijack your computer, graham? :lol:

Jason_Graham · Post by **Jason_Graham** » Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:04 pm

Yes!!!
I think this pdga rampage needs to be filtered by the nefa webmasters, the same way they [bleep] curse words would be nice. :wink:

Not hatin'
Just gratin'
j greyhome, out

Les Sinnock · Post by **Les Sinnock** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:08 am

Can't "B" Pool be its own entity with its own administrator, team structure and finals ??
Face it - not every team is going to be able to field all Pro's. It's still nice to be on a team, and the competition has been great. How about a fair shake for us "B" pool players? It doesn't always have to be about giving money to the pro's.
Maybe Titan would like to run the "B" pool ?? Its just a thought.

Also - players can certainly be chosen to play on "A" pool teams. This way the "B" pool represents more of an Am base. Not to say that pro's can't continue to play on "B" teams. Or-a "B" team can move up if it performs well enough. There ought to be some criteria for team placement.

Eric Kevorkian · Post by **Eric Kevorkian** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:12 am

No doubt there will be LOTS of discussion regarding structure of the league and what not this off-season.

A thought I had to eliminate one of the issues between the 2 pools is to keep it as just that...a seperate entity, but keep the system of swapping 2 top/bottom teams out. The only difference would be for those 2 teams to REMAIN IN THEIR RESPECTIVE POOL until the following year. So this year Capt L and whoever else would stay in the B pool for finals, but next year play in the A-pool. Buff and Maple Hill would stay in the A-pool for this year and drop down to B-pool for next year.

Titan Bariloni · Post by **Titan Bariloni** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:16 am

Kovo wrote:No doubt there will be LOTS of discussion regarding structure of the league and what not this off-season.

A thought I had to eliminate one of the issues between the 2 pools is to keep it as just that...a seperate entity, but keep the system of swapping 2 top/bottom teams out. The only difference would be for those 2 teams to REMAIN IN THEIR RESPECTIVE POOL until the following year. So this year Capt L and whoever else would stay in the B pool for finals, but next year play in the A-pool. Buff and Maple Hill would stay in the A-pool for this year and drop down to B-pool for next year.

but that makes to much sense

that is the correct way to have run this..trained monkeys could have come up with that.

it can't be to late to do this....

J_Disc · Post by **J_Disc** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:21 am

I would rather see a single team challenge (no A or B pool). See my Post #51 http://forums.nefa.com/viewtopic.php?p=168350#168350. 16 teams, 4 divisions, 4 teams make finals. This would allow for 2 new teams next year.

I'd also be in favor of a set number of Pro/Am/Women to keep the teams better balanced.

Mike Zorovich · Post by **Mike Zorovich** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:26 am

crossles wrote:Can't "B" Pool be its own entity with its own administrator, team structure and finals ??
Face it - not every team is going to be able to field all Pro's. It's still nice to be on a team, and the competition has been great. How about a fair shake for us "B" pool players? It doesn't always have to be about giving money to the pro's.
Maybe Titan would like to run the "B" pool ?? Its just a thought.

Also - players can certainly be chosen to play on "A" pool teams. This way the "B" pool represents more of an Am base. Not to say that pro's can't continue to play on "B" teams. Or-a "B" team can move up if it performs well enough. There ought to be some criteria for team placement.

i completely agree! teams can always move up the next season, or be voted up if thought to be bagging by the other teams.

Mike Zorovich · Post by **Mike Zorovich** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:29 am

mista3putt wrote:
Kovo wrote:No doubt there will be LOTS of discussion regarding structure of the league and what not this off-season.

A thought I had to eliminate one of the issues between the 2 pools is to keep it as just that...a seperate entity, but keep the system of swapping 2 top/bottom teams out. The only difference would be for those 2 teams to REMAIN IN THEIR RESPECTIVE POOL until the following year. So this year Capt L and whoever else would stay in the B pool for finals, but next year play in the A-pool. Buff and Maple Hill would stay in the A-pool for this year and drop down to B-pool for next year.

but that makes to much sense

that is the correct way to have run this..trained monkeys could have come up with that.

it can't be to late to do this....

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Mike Dussault · Post by **Mike Dussault** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 8:58 am

It is too late for this season. I think anyone can step up and run a team challenge. Go for it. Keep it separate, don't expect the pools to combine at any time. Separate means separate. "A" pool can continue the tradition that has been started for 4-5 years now, and the new "B" pool run by some as yet to be named volunteer will start a new tradition. Good luck. Who is going to step up to run this new "B" pool. Hopefully someone that complains a lot about the way things are run. Titan? Les?

Sincere good luck to you. It takes a bit of organization and interest to get started, but it could be a fun separate challenge for those of you that don't like the current system.

I had a great time this weekend playing against Wickham at one of the finest courses that NE has to offer. Good shooting to Laner and Jesse and Jpro. Those were some close matches that I came out the loser on. Next time!!!

Titan Bariloni · Post by **Titan Bariloni** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:06 am

mike d wrote:It is too late for this season. I think anyone can step up and run a team challenge. Go for it. Keep it separate, don't expect the pools to combine at any time. Separate means separate. "A" pool can continue the tradition that has been started for 4-5 years now, and the new "B" pool run by some as yet to be named volunteer will start a new tradition. Good luck. Who is going to step up to run this new "B" pool. Hopefully someone that complains a lot about the way things are run. Titan? Les?

Sincere good luck to you. It takes a bit of organization and interest to get started, but it could be a fun separate challenge for those of you that don't like the current system.

I had a great time this weekend playing against Wickham at one of the finest courses that NE has to offer. Good shooting to Laner and Jesse and Jpro. Those were some close matches that I came out the loser on. Next time!!!

complaining?

pffff...more like the powers that be in the A pool have no clue...4-5 years now you guys have not got a system down to promptly get finals date and location set..

I will not run a B- pool challenge..

Complain f'in complain wow.......no comment....

Mike Dussault · Post by **Mike Dussault** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:37 am

but that makes to much sense

that is the correct way to have run this..trained monkeys could have come up with that.

it can't be to late to do this....[/quote]

complaining?

pffff...more like the powers that be in the A pool have no clue...4-5 years now you guys have not got a system down to promptly get finals date and location set..

I will not run a B- pool challenge..

Complain f'in complain wow.......no comment....

If this does not constitute complaining, what does?

Todd Lapham · Post by **Todd Lapham** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 9:53 am

Titan I'm getting really sick of your complaining, and yes that's what it is.

You asked when finals date was, I answered 6 hours later, then you posted 5 hours after that. Sorry that you don't read between your own posts. Maybe if you weren't such a troll then you'd comprehend the writing right infront of you.

Seems like you're sick of the whole Nefa board now. I will gladly refund your money that goes to the A pool, a whopping $6.25 if you just leave the team challenge all together.

$200 (team dues)/16 (players on your roster)= $12.50/2 (Half stays in each pool if you're in B Pool)= $6.25

The setup was clearly posted before you guys signed up and you CHOSE to join. Don't try to change this league, you've played less challenges than YEARS we've had this league.

The Date was chosen on March 1st, giving you more than a months notice. As for location, that is up to Maine and Cranbury. Do you really care where it ends up anyway? You've said numerous times "I could care less" so why don't you just sit back and enjoy this, or stay home.

Feel free to run your own league, we can have New England Team Challenge League and Titans League, where every place gets paid out and everyone receives a big blue shiny ribbon for playing. That would be swell... But we all know that won't happen because that would take away from all your time spent criticizing everything and I do mean EVERYTHING about Nefa.

Like I said, this is ONE BIG LEAGUE, not two separate leagues. If someone wants to step up and run another one, please do. You'd be doing everyone a favor.

Titan Bariloni · Post by **Titan Bariloni** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:36 am

suggestion make this contribute something to NEFA

Mike Dussault · Post by **Mike Dussault** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:08 am

It does. NEFA is an organization of players. This league gives the players a chance to compete in a friendly atmosphere all winter long. I as a Borderland player know that a lot of preparation went into hosting our team challenge at home. We collectively prepared the course for play by clearing tee pads and making sure the conditions were as good as we could make them for our guests. This not only contributes to NEFA, but also to the skads of rec players we have at Borderland these days. Everyone appreciates a clear dry tee pad.

Les Sinnock · Post by **Les Sinnock** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:33 am

Sorry, my intent was not to start a sh*t storm. It was only meant as a comment.

I defer to the powers that be.

I do enjoy the team challenge. It is a great thing. I had a great time at all of the team challenges.

I guess i was just hinting at a little structure change for the upcoming season.

I do like Jdisc's idea above as well.

Sean Curcio · Post by **Sean Curcio** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 12:52 pm

Why would it have to be run by 2 different entities? Wouldn't it be just as easy to run A-B pool the same way with the only difference being playoff structure?

Just my $.02 here but if you want to have teams rotating between pools depending on season performance you need to do it AFTER playoffs. I.e. :

A Pool-Bottom 2 teams move down to B Pool NEXT season. (Why should the last place team be able to participate in ANY playoffs?)

B Pool Standings
Capt L 5-0
West T 3-2
TRock 3-2
Tolland 3-2
Top 4 teams playoff. 1st and 2nd(after playoff) move up to A pool next season.

This is how it is structured in my dart league and there have been up to 8 divisions running for over 30 years. Right now we have divisions A-D with 7-8 teams in each division. 4 teams make it to the playoffs in Each division. 1st place in each division gets paid and moves up to the next division while the last place team gets NOTHING and moves down a division.

P.S. It's not too late to do this THIS year...

Todd Lapham · Post by **Todd Lapham** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:00 pm

If you do it after finals, then you are hurting the 2 teams that played in the B pool this year by not allowing them to play for money.

It really is no different to switch the two teams before, the numbers are all the same. It just gives the team moving up a chance at cash now, rather than next year.

As for not allowing teams, that's not going to fly. I know you guys haven't played in a finals before, but it's an awesome time and all teams should be there.

Sean Curcio · Post by **Sean Curcio** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:04 pm

SeanMC125 wrote:Why would it have to be run by 2 different entities? Wouldn't it be just as easy to run A-B pool the same way with the only difference being playoff structure?

Just my $.02 here but if you want to have teams rotating between pools depending on season performance you need to do it AFTER playoffs. I.e. :

A Pool-Bottom 2 teams move down to B Pool NEXT season. (Why should the last place team be able to participate in ANY playoffs?)

B Pool Standings
Capt L 5-0
West T 3-2
TRock 3-2
Tolland 3-2
Top 4 teams playoff. 1st and 2nd(after playoff) move up to A pool next season.

This is how it is structured in my dart league and there have been up to 8 divisions running for over 30 years. Right now we have divisions A-D with 7-8 teams in each division. 4 teams make it to the playoffs in Each division. 1st place in each division gets paid and moves up to the next division while the last place team gets NOTHING and moves down a division.

P.S. It's not too late to do this THIS year...

Clayton Davidson · Post by **Clayton Davidson** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:04 pm

Yeah, isn't there a ton of awesome ctp's in the a-pool finals?

Steve Solbo · Post by **Steve Solbo** » Mon Mar 29, 2010 11:33 pm

Every team paid $200 well aware of the format. No changes till next year I say.

Also, If B pool teams want their own money, I suggest they run their own league. It would probably be best, either put your money in against the A Pool teams, or the B Pool teams, where your more likely to win, it's really up to you guys, I know Burgess doesn't give 2 craps about the money, we like to play with the better competition and camaraderie of the league, we also like to win, which we are atleast decent at.

James Lane · Post by **James Lane** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:08 pm

more thoughts-

- end the season in March.

- Eliminate the fee. I really don't think we need to pay for this league. If there was no money, it could also eliminate some of the things people feel are unfair at the moment. Courses don't need TC money for their funds IMO, they all have their own fundraising capabilities/plans.

Chris Bolton · Post by **Chris Bolton** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:11 pm

i think a regional setup with playoffs in each to then play in a finals would help travel issues too

there has been rumors of up to 2-4 new teams next year, regional setup would allow for the league to expand and people not having to drive 3+ hours to some courses

Eric Maurer · Post by **Eric Maurer** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 5:13 pm

james lane wrote:more thoughts-

- end the season in March.

- Eliminate the fee. I really don't think we need to pay for this league. If there was no money, it could also eliminate some of the things people feel are unfair at the moment. Courses don't need TC money for their funds IMO, they all have their own fundraising capabilities/plans.

bolton009 wrote:i think a regional setup with playoffs in each to then play in a finals would help travel issues too

there has been rumors of up to 2-4 new teams next year, regional setup would allow for the league to expand and people not having to drive 3+ hours to some courses

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Dave Mourad · Post by **Dave Mourad** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:01 pm

E-Nyce wrote:
james lane wrote:more thoughts-

- end the season in March.

- Eliminate the fee. I really don't think we need to pay for this league. If there was no money, it could also eliminate some of the things people feel are unfair at the moment. Courses don't need TC money for their funds IMO, they all have their own fundraising capabilities/plans.

bolton009 wrote:i think a regional setup with playoffs in each to then play in a finals would help travel issues too

there has been rumors of up to 2-4 new teams next year, regional setup would allow for the league to expand and people not having to drive 3+ hours to some courses

2nd

Absolutely on both accounts... and there's still the opportunity for optional team invitational exhibitions using a pool play like format scattered throughout the season to draw teams out from beyond the region - Results wouldn't count in standings, but they'd help determine where you stand!

Sean Franchi · Post by **Sean Franchi** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:10 pm

The number one suggestion I have is to stop counting January and December as one month ! this allows more time for possible playoffs and to schedule finals without interfering with points series.
If we had more time TullyRock would not have forfeited the tie breaker.
we were severely "under the gun" and on Easter weekend just could not field 6 players, let alone 6 stronger players.

Also the whole idea of home team "hosting" needs to be emphasised.
I was happy to see TullyRock set the bar with two awesome spreads.

Rob Tatro · Post by **Rob Tatro** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:29 pm

I disagree with the regional format ... I love it as is.

I love traveling as a team, visiting great people and seeing their home turf, it's part of what makes this league so great. With the regional format you'd be playing all the courses that you always play, not that there's anything wrong with that but I know a highlight of my season was rolling up to Maine to visit Bennett for the first time ... it was a great drive and fun to see all of my teammates ready to do some work. Same thing traveling down to Wick last week ... sure we'd all for the most part played there before but there's something tangible and team building about coming together from far away for one mission or goal if you will.

I'd like to play in December and January also 8-)

Eric Maurer · Post by **Eric Maurer** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:39 pm

I think that the regional format is favored by some solely because of teams on the outskirts of our region. When driving time starts to get over 2 hours it becomes an issue.

Steven Dakai · Post by **Steven Dakai** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 7:56 pm

Get rid of the neutral match. There is enough pressure to figure a date never mind a site, too.

Matt Heenan · Post by **Matt Heenan** » Tue Mar 30, 2010 8:27 pm

divisions. and the winners of each one go the finals.