Keene Disc Golf

[Titan Bariloni]

chris what day are we on for? if we are still on..and what time?

[Chris Sherwin]

HI Titan,

Just thinking of you....and Disc Golf! I just e-mailed a guy from Chester, VT who is getting approval from the town up there. Met Patrick Harris from Austine yesterday and gave him chainsaw to do some trimming on his course down in Bratt. AND.....I got the go ahead from S.I.T. again in Brattleboro, and meet with them Monday morning!--psyched to get that started again. May need some extra eyes to finalize 3-4 holes if you are up to it.....

Thursday is my day, I think, for Keene. Afternoon is good for me.....3pm? Let me know if that works for you! Looking forward to it!

[Titan Bariloni]

I am thinking Thursday may be up in the air..got some chainsaw work at Tully..holes 6-7..if the crew gets it done by say 2ish..I can get there closeish to 3...if not..what I suggest

..side note holy hail outside right now....

is maybe focusing on the quadrant to upper left of main river feature...the chunk you tried to link from side road and wrap back to where holes are proposed on other side of river...if that makes sense

whoa window breaking hail confirmed

and takes some notes keeping the overall realm of things in mind not to drift to far off the current path...and maybe take some pictures of notable interest/beauty/diversity...organize photos to email with comments for future discussion

and maybe if ya get some time organize the thoughts from lower quadrant across from river Mark and you explored last time..

then we can fuse all the key thoughts/ideas together and maybe move towards a final design proposal...as Mark and Derek will have lots of options to sort through before presentation to rangers..all the lil leg work is huge in keeping things moving while providing the best DG adventure possible

sound good?

[Chris Sherwin]

I think I've got it??? I can push the time until 3:15, 3:30--you tell me if/when you can make it. I will just keep working and give myself a half hour to get to the course...

Otherwise, I think what you are saying is to continue honing what will/may be the "Front 9".... continuing from the initial 4 holes that have been flagged, and over into the left (woodsy--old growth, actually quite lovely and open in there--area between River and road) space that Mark and I explored last time. Try and get some concrete ideas and flow over to the concrete 'tee' over the River that looks like an awesome "10th hole" ??? or something like that. Let me know if that is what you are thinking....If we have the 9 baskets, if makes sense to hammer down the Front 9. If we keep that flow, the 9th would end along that main road (river/road bridge), and ease of going back to start area (only time for 9...) would be kept--making sense. Then, continuing from the awesome river tee, into the area you and Mark explored back to the main area could be "Back 9"? I haven't seen that area but am looking forward to exploring.... this equals--phase 2. Ideally, according to your sketches on map, phase 3 would be trying to connect (another 9 holes or so ??!!) up to the Winter parking area so there would be access to all-season players, plus give us the ability to say we've got 27 holes.....get your arses over here to play!!!

Am I on the same page? Hope to see you (other folks out there) tomorrow.... I will bring camera and note pad also....
~Chris

[Titan Bariloni]

yup exactly..nice

I will try my best to be there...

I will call ya no matter what

[Patrick Harris]

Met Patrick Harris from Austine yesterday and gave him chainsaw to do some trimming on his course down in Bratt. AND.....I got the go ahead from S.I.T. again in Brattleboro, and meet with them Monday morning!

Thanks Chris for loaning me his chainsaw!!

Austine will have nice face-lifts after bunch of trimming going on in the next two weeks!!

I'm focusing on trimming all the lower branches all the way up to around 3-5 feet to allow safe easy access to the discs under the trees. Don't want anyone (especially kids) to get poked with sharp branches.

Chris, do keep me posted about next Monday's meeting. I might or might not make it if its at 9am because I have to do the office paperwork crap by before 11am.

[Titan Bariloni]

chris..prob plan on me out thursday..as tully got hit last night w/ storm damage and we got more chainsaw work then planned and lost a helper


please post email recap if ya go..

ty

[Chris Sherwin]

bummer about the damage! Nothing here......

I may still do a walk-about tomorrow....anyone else around for a 3 or 3:30 meet up?

Titan, check your e-mail.

[Titan Bariloni]

responded..looking forward to your research summary after scout trip...TY

[john w britton]

YO -- There was some talk of having of having a fund-raiser (to assist with $$ for the new Keene course) here at my Wapack Wilderness Course sometime in April -- then I heard that there might be a conflict or date change...so now I don't know what to think...???

Please let me know if you still want to have a fund-raiser event and what date is proposed...maybe APRIL 21st so we can "get the Word OUT"....Thoughts??

FYI -- My Thursday night doubles league here at the WWC course will start up on THURSDAY APRIL 12th at 5 PM....Soo....Bring it on down to Rindge....

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PS __ I was fairly Frustrated and disappointed when the Keene Course layout date got changed around late last week -- No one told me that the day had changed from Friday until Thurs. afternoon -- until "after the fact". WTF

JUST Can't Help Out at all -- if no one tells us what's happening??!! Please give me a courtesy call at least...next time...Thanks, JB

[Chris Sherwin]

Hey John,

Thursday did get added--I couldn't make it either, but Mark and I were still there on Friday, 3pm, as scheduled. We waited for about 20min before heading down to the 'course'....didn't see anyone else there, sorry!

Still haven't played your course in Rindge....I think we played together at NH States this past year, and I couldn't make the Sunday rounds/tourney (your place?). Still hoping to get over there. Is it public or private? Hopefully I can make a Thursday night sometime! 21st is out for me, sorry.....28th is Pinnacle tourney....

[Titan Bariloni]

2:35 am

WTF

lol...Disc doc was restless and grumpy

naw JB I called ya Thursday on way up..and was gonna get lunch in Keene..right when Mark called and said he got outta work early...so my 2 hour window to call ya went to 5 mins...and instead of waiting for ya to drive up we just got on it....

Mark was debating Friday as he had done lots of recent hiking out there and had a vacation to plan for...

I don't ever think Friday was cancelled as Chris/Mark discussed on here still meeting....might of been via email.

I guess in future if time is set just show unless its posted as cancelled


As for the tourney..we were justa lil to excited and got ahead of ourselves and forgot easter....lol

The event will still go down soon I am sure and yes more time to promote is better anyways...

looking for to Chris S data report from today

TTYL and can't wait for mark/derek to return home...and we see that 1st basket go in...

[Chris Sherwin]

Howdy folks,
Although I showed up an hour late for my own scheduled walk-about, I spent 3 hours or so rummaging around the area between the road and the river(s) today, trying to get a line on the front 9 (actually just 5 holes).....It is that same area Mark and I explored last week. Although some tweaking is still required, and some additional eyes/minds before the big dig, I think I got a pretty good flow set up between the previously laid 4 holes ( Hole 1--369' flat, mostly straight, finishing left; Hole 2--380' slight uphill LTR, finishing R; Hole 3--160' uphill righty hyzer, tee on hill/bank to left; 4--250-ish? Very cool 'hidden' tee area, with landing options straight and/or to left?? This Hole should/could favor a lefty, I think--righty flick/roll), and leading to a sweet proposed Hole 10 tee over the water......

I have pics, sketches, brought my rolly-foot-measuring thingy--see above distances, and laid out flags around the possibilities (tees and pins) I was thinking today. I'd like to recommend that the pin for hole 4 be moved farther to the right so it could be a HARD right (button hook, cut roller, lefty hyzer, etc--opposite of hole 3, giving the lefties less to whine about ;^)) actually on the same side of the road as the Tee (out of, then back up in towards, the woods where the gap is 100' up road), instead of in the open where the brush/sawdust piles are....but that is just a thought...... That would also bring us to a 'proposed' tee for hole 5 (right of the clearing visible from 4-Tee), along the road) and get the direction out into the woods where it opens up to the left of the road. Note to Mark--I revisited the possible Tee location to the left of the clearing where you and I walked last week, but it remains 'mushy' and damp throughout, with lots of shin/knee sized rockfields that may lead to twisted ankles and a mosquito-ridden summer spot, so I tried staying right today--is cleaner, I think, and along the 4-wheeler 'road', but we can always look again. Right now, hole 5 lays out as a finesse right or left mid-range wooded shot to landing area, and then to a tunnel upshot, slightly uphill 280' or so..... Hole 6 (with options!) starts straight (180' +) then doglegs left (45 degrees, not sharp) to a medium-wide tunnel, slightly downhill approx 344' total. This hole could also (stay straight the whole way) or finish uphill and right from where it is now for a longer par 3 or really sweet par 4/5--lots of room here! 7 is a short (222')--tight left or right window around a cluster of trees, then opening, downhill to a river-backed landing area pin--nice. Need feedback on holes 8/9--couple of possibilities there: 1) Would love to see a bit of a walk from hole 7 to 8....a long hole 8 (another par 4 possible), and really cool, but slightly 'twisted' shot across the river and up the hill (by the big rock monster Mark and I spotted: "Fenway Park", anyone?))--this would take a bit of clearing...and boldness...but could be awesome!; 2) could also choose a tamer option with a short lefty hole 8 (along river--only a short walk from 7 pin), finishing uphill to the right, also about 222') and hole 8 could become hole 9 ( 320-240') ending up a mere 20 feet or so from road (easy-peasy for folks wanting to hit the road after just 9....), and maybe 60 feet from the bridge for the next tee (hole 10)....

Again, this is just what I came up with today amidst the drizzle and serenity of the woods, with a second look at a quite lovely piece o' land. Let's get a walk-through planned in the next week, if possible, with a gang, and go through the options to get a sweet, diverse Front 9 playable ASAP. I can sort and send some pics I took if anyone wants. I haven't even ventured off to the right of the road yet.....looking forward to that awesome woodiness too, and some continuity back to the starting area!

Another thought as I walked the course today.....road out of bounds? (treat like a water--completely surrounded by pavement is OB...etc??)--just a thought; could make things interesting on first 4 holes..... :^) I know, I'm twisted and evil....but usually fair!

Hope to see you all soon. I meet with the powers that be at S.I.T. (1 mile off exit 3) in Brattleboro on Monday morning--looks like a go, so we could have two stellar courses within a half hour of each other going in around the same time in So VT/NH--wahoo!! .....I will need fundraising (and work day) help, when/where possible--NO money in-house. Thanks, in advance. Good times!!

[Titan Bariloni]

nice..so that lower area is wet/rocky huh..?


yeah excited for when Mark/derek return

in the middle of this we got green light 5 minutes from my house..kaaaaboom

[Chris Sherwin]

The 'lower' area in from where the #4 basket is and left of clearing (sawdust/brush) pile in towards the woods......Mark and I walked it last week The landing area for most folks is a kind of cool (looks like dinosaur eggs or something), but wet, rocky, slurpy, mucky area at present before rising a bit into some sweet old growth. Just looks like twisted ankles and mosquitos possible......but we can get there from another Tee choice... That's why I tried a Tee to the right of said clearing, and banking to the left to access the Old Growth without twisting any ankles..... We could also wait and see if the area dries and it isn't an issue most of the year........ Looking forward to a walk-through with the Gang to iron it all out. Soooo many possibilities.

Another course? Sweet!

[Derek DeCoste]

Hey Chris, please send me the picks if you can. (metcroft@gmail.com) I am on vacation as of weds this week, until monday the 26th, but please go ahead out with Mark if you get time and flag the other 4-6 holes. When I get back we should talk workdays with the ACOE.

[Chris Sherwin]

Hi Derek,

I could maybe come over this afternoon....I think Mark is available after 2:30--are you around also? I am just doing odds & ends, and filling up the glass crucible today and could be done and do a quick walk-through if you are around say 2:30-4:30 or so. Let me know.

If not, I can try to meet with Mark sometime and send pics. Thanks.

Met with SIT this morning in Brattleboro regarding the course I have designed there ,and it turns out we are a definite MAYBE ! All new employees, CFO, staff, money/legal issues, etc. I met with the middle tier; they need to talk to the lady (CFO) running the show and get back to me. Keep your fingers crossed.

[Chris Sherwin]

Mark and I are meeting just before 3pm today to do a walk-through at Otter Brook...... sorry for late notice, but make it if you can. Otherwise, we'll post with updates.

[Derek DeCoste]

Glad you and Mark hooked up. Stuck working till 7. Send me pics and/or sketches when you guys get back. Have fun.

[Titan Bariloni]

nice..been crazy busy w/ dg stuff...let me know when next solid day for next phase goes down...

maybe a sit down with a few warriors over bers and bring design to final stages??

[mark bonner]

Hey all friends of Keene disc golf, I have set up a meeting with Jim for the end of next week to get final approval for holes 1-4. I am going to go over the rest of the front nine ending at/near the river bridge hole. If anyone goes out to walk around, we urgently need to find a way to get back through the woods to one. All other design work is useless until we figure that out. If anyone wants to go for a walk, great, will have definite time/date next week. Thanks. We will be ordering baskets 7, 8 and 9 in the next week.

[Titan Bariloni]

i have yet to walk that new land leading back to river..

I will get up there soon ans see what the brain can come up with and see the vision of those lower holes..

so by get back to 1 do you mean..a trail..or holes 10-18..or just some of 10-18?

[mark bonner]

Ideally holes 10-18 or whatever numbers work.

[john w britton]

Hey guys -- I have absolutely no idea what's happening with this Course Layout...Does anyone else involved know what's happening or what's been "CHANGED" ?? I have heard some stuff "second hand" from Titan, but I don't think anyone understands what the overall plan is headed towards at this point -- or even where the Course actually STARTS for Hole #1??

I really desperately wanted to be Actually INVOLVED with the Course Design (as you guys had previously requested), but I can't seem to even find out what the Plan is..or is it just "Mark's Plan"?? I have to WONDER What's Happening Here??

I missed one meeting thru NO Fault of my own (Changed at the Last Minute -- to facilitate Mark's vacation schedule)...and Now I am totally out of the loop (among some Others Involved Here)...Is anyone else feeling alienated and "Left-Out" here??Q! Speak UP!!

It seems like we are rushing ahead without the benefit of a solid 18-hole layout...We don't want to just fix stuff later...

Really frustrated ...How do I get back into the decision-making process? THANX, John Britton -- PDGA # 5582

[john w britton]

Another Quick Item from "Bitchy" JOHN -- The Old Man disc golfer:

I am still quite willing to host a Fund-raiser tournament for the Keene course -- Here at my Rindge, NH course -- but someone needs to set an actual date and get the ball rolling...Please let me know...THX...
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PS -- I am also wanting to get an actual Keene Disc Golf website initiated (Some initial design work already well underway "on my end"). I am willing to coordinate (and finance) most of this start-up website efforts, but I will need some help this Summer.

I spent a couple of hours outlining the Website Layout and brain-storming some ideas for the last meeting on March 9th with y'all, but things got shifted round so it was ...Again got very frustrated -- Seems a little like I am just wasting my own time (and Money Also) _if we can't get better organized...THX...Later, JB

[Chris Sherwin]

Hi Mark,

Glad you have a mtg for next week--great! What did you decide for the # 4 basket?

I'm in for trying to iron out the back 8-9 holes....maybe WednesdayThursday if anyone else can make it....3p or so. It would be great if we had a solid flow to the whole basic course. I'm thinking of walking IN at the campsite area and finding the river to solidify a reverse flow to see what our options are......

Mark and I found at least 3-4 very cool possible holes that go along the river 8, 9, (10?) on left side of road and (10), 11, 12....more? on the right side..... if we can find 4-5 snaking back down through and 'miss' all the tanglewood in between, we'll be fine. I'm optimistic! If anyone can meet, let me know... Titan, where you at for time? Derek, you back?

John.....not sure what to say--like I said, Mark and I were there at the appointed time on the Friday you missed.....I/we have posted every time we try to get together since.....follow the threads and show up when you can.....A tournament fundraiser is a great idea.....I'm sure my friends at Newport would/could do the same.

We are trying to find a good flow to the course, with a good balance of holes--tough but fair, with tee options (additional basket positions are also being thought out/discussed). The first 4 holes were in and done before I came 'to town' and start the flow of the course. They are relatively easy to spot and stay along the central road (into the woods to the left of road after hole # 4, and back to road by hole 9/10 at the river/road crossing ). It all starts from a central location, and is flagged with tee/basket ideas from there through the first 9-10 holes.....Like Mark said, we very much need to find a good way back to starting point without sacrificing awesome holes, and good flow. There is so much great land, almost too much, that this will need to be thought out a bit. Getting the first 4 in and approved is a great start to the project--the flow and finality of the rest can ease in over the next few weeks/months. I'm confident we will have a great course very soon.

I got shot down at SIT last week--new powers that be are in place there, unfortunately--so many hours of my time and energy were for naught there.....Arrgh!.......New/other locations in Bratt will have to be explored.....I have a couple leads to follow up on, and will keep you posted. Chester, VT is looking good and I meet a couple guys with a town map in two weeks--they already have town approval....... A new possibility at Fall MT Regional High School too......

Best to all!

[Chris Sherwin]

p.s. A website is a great idea too......is a domain name saved? That's a starting point--could also do a FaceBook page to start something cheaper. I think having the course in, approved, and playable is of paramount importance......Once we have something AWESOME to share, we can post to the world!

[mark bonner]

Hey everyone.
John, chill out dude, nothing has happened but walking around in the woods. I posted both those meeting times, one day was just Titan and myself and the other was Chris and I. You aren't being excluded. Everyone wants a piece of the design. don't worry, you will be included. As for a fundraiser, maybe that should be on the back burner for now.

Derek is out of town. He and I are going to get together and hopefully meet with Jim to look at 1-4 at the end of the week. After this we will have a meeting for anyone and everyone to help design the entire back nine. Derek and I will have another meeting in the future before we submit any holes for final approval, so people can have their input.
We do have keenediscgolf.com registered, Derek has been funding and running that.
I will post any and all future meetings on this forum. Thanks

[Titan Bariloni]

ok no need for us to be ruffled..JB no more posting after 10pm for you....lol
nuff said there

I want the KDGC to provide the design and give a unique feel to NE DG

This is what I offer...logistics..reality! I don't wanna see rework it sux trust me

The entire property is sweet and no matter where ya put holes it will be awesome..IMO

I have a vision past today...and I see 36 holes there in future..so w/ that said I think the focus needs to be on accessibility,flow,FUN..in all reality the park gate is closed from labor day to M Day(and this year we had lil snow) so the walk down IMO is major concern..the average guy is not gonna wanna walk down no matter what ya do..its just almost fact IMO

so regardless of land I think the start/end of course to start should incorporate the upper parking lot in some way...even if it just shortens the walk..some trail would OBV need to be blazed to link but better then what seems like a mile walk

its closed more months then its open so IMO logistics shouldn't be formed around open peak time rather the more dedicated DG'er that plays all year or the peeps that catch DG in peak time and wanna play in off time.that walk will cause issues with deferring peeps

I urge the design direction to include this so players can "link onto course" w/o the walk all the way to 1

all that other land isn't going anywhere and can be fully utilized better once a strong "core" is built.

I would love to see the alt(rec) tee offer a unique shot w/ own trail..this will give ya bang for ya buck..36 combos for 18..all awesome...and not the standard ok 75ft shorter hear ya go smack in the middle of the fairway..this will also make the land appear better as more is used and can be cleaned..and also locks in the land for DG and gives ya flexibility for redesign if needed

I trust Mark and crew no matter what direction ya go will find cool holes that is not an issue to me and the small things never pop until cleaned cleared ect ect..so to me that is moot and I could not care about actual "hole design"..I just wanna see a functional product as the land and dg wisdom is sure to produce "nice" hole no matter what

The sooner the "woods" holes are marked the sooner rangers can cut and help..once peak season ya lose their full attention so i urge some "tough" work be mapped out soon so ya get the CORE hardcore work stomp and not have the looky lous all eyes on the what is that kinda thing next thing ya know some guy that soemtimes sees some bird there puts up a stink..ya know just for ex..

JB work on a SNH or NH site overall..include series then allow small club sites to link....FB covers all the basics for leagues no need to waste $$$$$ on something that acute...IMO..and yes all info has been in this thread for most part on the more relevant info from above

hmmmmm the more holes ya get in before may 30th the more peeps play the more help ect ect with the alt tees to a solid 9 w/ direction of 10-18 mapped out with alt tees the peeps get 18 basically at once so they can chill in anticipation of next 9 so ya can get it polished

I will await date and schedule it in

good job all..!

[Rob Breckenridge]

Titan,the voice of reason for uncertain times. Good ideas and feedback, glad you are on board. I'm psyched to see this thing develop and to be a part of the process, as much as I love Tully and the Mass courses, a 2 mile drive from my house is sweet!