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Troy Dietrich wrote:Something I don't think some people understand (either that, or maybe I'm the confused one).

*** Even though all NEFA events are now NEDGC qualifiers, they're only a qualifier for the player if it's an event in their home state. ***

Example; A Massachusetts NEFA tournament is NOT a qualifying NEDGC event for anyone living outside of Mass.

Which is why players from CT, would likely be opting to play at the Wick tourney rather than the APO in Mass if they have aspirations for playing in the NEDGC. (Which I think is what John was getting at by his question).


This is not true. The way I understood I being a NY resident can qualify in MA. CT/RI players can also qualify in MA. Just not the other way around because MA has the biggest pool of invites.
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I'm at a lot of events. Please feel free to talk to me about any concerns.

Understand that these changes were made to keep NEFA together, attract the top NE players, grow membership outside MA and revitalize the season ending event.

We are trying to make changes that won't be too extreme while remaining fluid while we go.

The 60/40 split for funding was kept that same as the past. We are forifying the NEDGC funding with Vibram sponsorship and $250 from each of the five regions. Finals last year had some great payouts, this will improve on that.

It should make it easier to for top players to qualify. We moved the event to a centralized location to accomodate for travel.

Just know all you have to do is to play in your regions events, qualify and then enjoy the finals. We have a great group of volunteers dediacted to making this a special event.
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Kenji Cline wrote:
Troy Dietrich wrote:Something I don't think some people understand (either that, or maybe I'm the confused one).

*** Even though all NEFA events are now NEDGC qualifiers, they're only a qualifier for the player if it's an event in their home state. ***

Example; A Massachusetts NEFA tournament is NOT a qualifying NEDGC event for anyone living outside of Mass.

Which is why players from CT, would likely be opting to play at the Wick tourney rather than the APO in Mass if they have aspirations for playing in the NEDGC. (Which I think is what John was getting at by his question).


This is not true. The way I understood I being a NY resident can qualify in MA. CT/RI players can also qualify in MA. Just not the other way around because MA has the biggest pool of invites.


I didn't want to confuse my point. But yes, if you (being in a smaller region), wanted to also qualify in Mass you have the option of attempting to qualify in both regions. But the Mass tournament still doesn't help towards your qualification in NY. It would be a separate deal, with Mass tournies only counting towards your qualification as a Mass player.

And even if that were the case, if there was a schedule conflict....lets say the Hunter tournament was the same day as Bosquet. Which would you play? Hunter right? Because you're primarily trying to qualify in your home region....Mass events would be plan B, there to fall back on if you didn't make it in your own region.

One thing I've noticed about the NEDGC deal, is that it makes me have to re-think where to play when there are tournaments outside my home region on the same day as ones here. In years past I've generally favored going up to VT & NH, because I like the vibe of the tournies up there, and I like using NEFA tournaments as an excuse for traveling far to courses I haven't played before.....I probably would have signed up for Sunapee over the APO on May 4th but for the fact that I wan't try and secure a NEDGC spot (or at least have 4 decent finishes) before before I start skipping mass tournies for out of state ones.
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Generally, I like the fact that we are collectively trying to improve the finals experience for the greater good, and I am truly appreciative of the efforts to run NEFA.

However, I am disappointed that unlike prior years, any results from tourneys in a state that I don't live in (because I live in MA) will not count towards qualifying for finals. I am a loyal member of the GMDGC, and travel regularly to play in their points series. I guess that if I make the effort to play in VT, and if I were to do well enough to the point where I would otherwise qualify for the finals, what is the concern?

I can see that perhaps you are trying to protect a certain number of slots for these smaller states, in the hopes that it will enhance the number of participants from other states. But without the benefit of counting scores across borders, it's likely going to limit traveling to tournaments for some. Destination disc golf can really be a lot of fun; ask anyone that has made a run for the border the past couple years. It would be great if those results could somehow be captured.

If put on the spot for a suggestion, I just think lifting the ban for people from MA not being able to qualify in a "smaller" region would be fine for me, but not sure it encourages people to try a new course out of state.

For those people that would be interested in trying travel tournaments or courses, but otherwise choose to stay and try to gain points on their own qualifying state (disclaimer: not sure how many people are in that situation) maybe one solution might work like this:

-declare your qualifying state up front to your representative.
-you are allowed two "wild card" tournaments over the course of the season that can be any NEFA event, so long as declared in advance to your rep.
-count the best one of the two wild card finishes towards the qualifying results.

I don't have a perfect answer, and I am sure many ideas have been debated. We can see how it all plays out this year, and I look forward to a great summer of disc golf, regardless of results!
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It's nice to have 180 spots to work with. Ira, I'm sure some regions will not "fill" their spots with qualified players. In that case, I bet other regions will be given those invites. So in a highly competitive state like MAss, lower ranked players could have a great shot of getting in.

In 2012, 91 players attended the "Finals". In 2013, we have room for 180. I doubt many people get "shut" out.
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I agree with Ira, that this format is discouraging people from travelling out of state for tournaments. perhaps we could still qualify by state, but use the players home state to track this and not the location of the tournament. So a Mass player playing in a Maine tournament gets Mass points instead of Maine points.
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Everyone's got to remember the "qualifying state" that everyone is complaining about is only for finals invite. The nefa points season takes into account every nefa event you play (only top 4, or 5 finishes per your division count towards total). So go play all those out of state tourneys and try and get your name on the plaque @ Maple Hill
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Kenji Cline wrote:Everyone's got to remember the "qualifying state" that everyone is complaining about is only for finals invite. The nefa points season takes into account every nefa event you play (only top 4, or 5 finishes per your division count towards total). So go play all those out of state tourneys and try and get your name on the plaque @ Maple Hill


Exactly! There is an award and payout for the overall point series standings in each NEFA division. I'm still going to travel to RI to play Willow Valley. I'm still going to travel to NH to compete in NH states. The only thing holding people back from doing this is the mindset that it doesn't count for anything anymore, which is false.
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Matt DeAngelis wrote:
Kenji Cline wrote:Everyone's got to remember the "qualifying state" that everyone is complaining about is only for finals invite. The nefa points season takes into account every nefa event you play (only top 4, or 5 finishes per your division count towards total). So go play all those out of state tourneys and try and get your name on the plaque @ Maple Hill


Exactly! There is an award and payout for the overall point series standings in each NEFA division. I'm still going to travel to RI to play Willow Valley. I'm still going to travel to NH to compete in NH states. The only thing holding people back from doing this is the mindset that it doesn't count for anything anymore, which is false.


I understand and agree to a point. But if a player has to decide between a MA tournament that is Points + NEDGC qualifier vs. one that is just points, I have to pick that one that is both. No one is saying there is no reason to play both, but if your tournament availability is limited, then this system discourages you from going to the out of state tournament, because it has 1 fewer benefit to playing.

What is the downside of calculating based on player's state instead of tournament state?
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Very good point Bill, and maybe the solution to the "discouraged to travel" arguement.

The current format (qualify in-region) was designed to encourage more NEFA events outside of MASS. Mass had 50% of the events one year. So, we thought, how do we promote NEFA events in other states? The answer we came up with was to create a mini series within that region, to build a broader membership.
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Craig Cutler wrote:The answer we came up with was to create a mini series within that region, to build a broader membership.


Now that the point series is in full swing, there should be solid data to show if this has been successful. How do this year's membership numbers compare to last year?
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Good question Brad, we should be able to tell soon. What the numbers will not show is how many events and existing members were saved by this change. In November, I was part of a group that was considering forming our own Tri-State tournament series. (NY,CT,NJ). We had many TD's in the discussion and on board with the change. Jeff W, Lick , and Greg W made a last minute push to convince us to focus our efforts one last time into staying with NEFA. I think those guys saved about 7 Nefa events and about 25 members. Over the last few years, NEFA basically lost Maine, and was on the verge of losing most of NY,NJ,CT. Thankfully, this small change preserved what we had, and hopefully we can grow from here.
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Craig Cutler wrote:Good question Brad, we should be able to tell soon. What the numbers will not show is how many events and existing members were saved by this change. In November, I was part of a group that was considering forming our own Tri-State tournament series. (NY,CT,NJ). We had many TD's in the discussion and on board with the change. Jeff W, Lick , and Greg W made a last minute push to convince us to focus our efforts one last time into staying with NEFA. I think those guys saved about 7 Nefa events and about 25 members. Over the last few years, NEFA basically lost Maine, and was on the verge of losing most of NY,NJ,CT. Thankfully, this small change preserved what we had, and hopefully we can grow from here.


Likewise, the Green Mountain Points Series seems to have been distancing itself from NEFA. However, there are quite a few GMPS tournaments that are also NEFA sanctioned. I'm not sure if it's any more than last year, but it's certainly no worse. I'm not sure that has led to an increase in membership though.

It will be interesting to see what happens to attendance at tournaments in the smaller regions. In NH we have just two (?) NEFA tournaments, maybe a third if Bellamy does one this year. NH States will always fill no matter what and Bellamy has a strong core of local players that will play a tournament regardless. But what happens to Beauty Hill? Without many local players, that tournament really needs to draw in traveling players to fill. Even with NEFA sanctioning, that tournament means little to players from outside the NH/VT region, and there aren't a lot of VT players that venture out of the GMPS.
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Brad Harris wrote:
Craig Cutler wrote:The answer we came up with was to create a mini series within that region, to build a broader membership.


Now that the point series is in full swing, there should be solid data to show if this has been successful. How do this year's membership numbers compare to last year?


Quick and dirty stats. There are 404 current members.

CT: 80
MA: 217
ME: 6
NH: 31
NY/NJ: 41
RI: 7
VT: 18
Other: 4
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hmm..VT dropped and NH increased
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Titan_Bariloni wrote:hmm..VT dropped and NH increased


I was looking for the 2012 numbers...where did you see them?
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Any preliminary results for region invites?
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Kenji Cline wrote:Any preliminary results for region invites?


Danny is still working on that. I just got him the info he needed last week. Should be able to get an idea if where you stand by looking at the overall results though.
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Matt DeAngelis wrote:
Kenji Cline wrote:Any preliminary results for region invites?


Danny is still working on that. I just got him the info he needed last week. Should be able to get an idea if where you stand by looking at the overall results though.



Matt why not assign a region a number and just insert it after the players NEFA number and color code it ???? :)
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Greg Wintrob wrote:Here is the final list of the regional qualifiers for the New England DGC.

MASS(Best 4)
All NEFA events in the region

CT/RI (Best 3)
All NEFA events in the region

NY/NJ (Best 3)
All NEFA events in the region

NH/VT(Best 3)
All NEFA events in the region

Maine(Best 3)
All NEFA events in the region



I interpreted this to mean you need to play in 3 (or 4 for MA) to qualify. Was this a bad assumption on my part, or was this rule changed in a subsequent post somewhere?
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You need to qualify but there are a limited number of spots for each state/region. Once you qualify then you need to be invited.

If that isn't what you are looking for then please just disregard.............. :oops:
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Paul Sullivan wrote:You need to qualify but there are a limited number of spots for each state/region. Once you qualify then you need to be invited.

If that isn't what you are looking for then please just disregard.............. :oops:


Do you need to play in 3 (or 4 if in MA) tournaments to qualify? Or can/should you be invited if you only played in 1 or 2?
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Bill Bertera wrote:Do you need to play in 3 (or 4 if in MA) tournaments to qualify? Or can/should you be invited if you only played in 1 or 2?
MA gets 28 Pro invites and 28 Am invites.

I was under the impression that we'd be taking your best 3 regional tourneys(4 in MA) and adding up the points for those. Then the top points finishers in each division get the invites. The exact number of invites per division is up to your state rep. I personally, never figured that we'd need to require a minimum.

NY/NJ is running out of bodies that played ANY regional events. I may end up giving invites to another region.
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Jeff Wiechowski wrote:
Bill Bertera wrote:Do you need to play in 3 (or 4 if in MA) tournaments to qualify? Or can/should you be invited if you only played in 1 or 2?
I was under the impression that we'd be taking your best 3 regional tourneys(4 in MA) and adding up the points for those. Then the top points finishers in each division get the invites. The exact number of invites per division is up to your state rep.

MA gets 28 Pro invites and 28 Am invites.


So, if your best 2 is better than someone else's best 3, you could still get in?

My assumption was that it worked like the Point series (and previous finals), where you needed to play in a minimum number of tournaments to be considered, but it sounds like that may not be true?
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Bill Bertera wrote:
So, if your best 2 is better than someone else's best 3, you could still get in?

My assumption was that it worked like the Point series (and previous finals), where you needed to play in a minimum number of tournaments to be considered, but it sounds like that may not be true?

Depends on the region. Check my edit above.
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Bill Bertera wrote:So, if your best 2 is better than someone else's best 3, you could still get in?


Wow I just looked at MA1 in Mass and you're right about this.
Talk with Trent, he's gonna have to make that determination.
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It seems that some regions are only inviting those who played in 3, and others are inviting anyone who played at all. Either way, every region but MA will be inviting everyone who played in the minimum, and MA will be at about 1/3. I'm sure I'm not the only one from MA who was hoping extra spots would go to MA if a region didnt use all their invites, but with invites going to members with only 1 tournament on file, those chances are pretty low.
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I only have 14 total pros. I was given 15 pro invites at the beginning of the season. I already have one declined(and possibly another) so that's 3 pro invites that I can give up.
I'm running out of ams to invite also.
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Really wow

I never get it

I must be dumb
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Titan_Bariloni wrote:I never get it

I must be dumb


WAAAAAAAAAY TOO EASY. :roll:
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