Maple Hill @ Buff in March.

Joe Yaskis · Post by **Joe Yaskis** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:27 am

MVP Bear D.

Bear canned two huge putts in the wind to keep the playoff rolling.

Andy Gallerani · Post by **Andy Gallerani** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:41 am

Double bags provide a foundation for the clear mindset which allows dunn to putt in any conditions and you know this

Dave Boliver · Post by **Dave Boliver** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:51 am

It was an amazing day. from the wind on 16 and 17 to the 5 hole playoff.what else can I say.-------- i had so much fun :drunken:

It must hurt to miss such a short putt in a sudden death playoff.
It's hard to believe we have to wait a month to settle this team challenge. We will have plenty of time to talk crap and make fun of each other. There was plenty of bad shots to think of. How many putts went in only to be spit out by the wind. Tim and I will be thinking about our 4 putt on 17 for some time to come!! :cry:

Thank you all for such a fun day D.J.B. BOLIVER P.S. sorry Gary for starting before you got there. I guess we did start early and should of took it in to consideration. That will not happen again!!.

Justin White · Post by **Justin White** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:42 am

Windy!!!!! Fun day all around. Lunch was off the hook. Thanks to BOB for marinating the meat.

Bobby Direnzo · Post by **Bobby Direnzo** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:30 am

I had a blast the food was good and we had a great chef. I have never played in that type of wind and I hope to never again.

Dave Jackson · Post by **Dave Jackson** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:42 am

Thank you to yeam Maple Hill for giving them all you got. Thank you to Joe and team Buff for the killer food, great match-ups and great hospitality. The playoff was intense and the wind was equally intense. Good job team Buff taking down the win. Great putting Bear. It was unfortunate the way the day started for me not having Gary there for the first three holes of our match, but you played very well tied it up on the sixteenth hole after being down 6 holes and played tough, real good disc golf.
Maple Hill, you guys are the best and I think we are looking great heading into finals. :wink:

Steve Solbo · Post by **Steve Solbo** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:47 am

What happened to Gary.. and why was he forced to miss 3 holes?

Like Joe said, this aint no superduper national level event. If he missed b/c he was running late or something.. I would have just had the group wait till he got back.

Matt DeAngelis · Post by **Matt DeAngelis** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:47 am

worm wrote:Maple Hill, you guys are the best and I think we are looking great heading into finals.

Not that it really matters...better bring your CTP game!? :scratch:

Gary Cyr · Post by **Gary Cyr** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:54 am

I Slept in and then forgot the grill we were using to cook on for lunch. So I was 5 minutes late.

Then the teams started playing early (by 5-8 minutes) and when my playing opponents were told that I was right around the corner, they quoted something like"you know the Rules" and kept right on playing.

I do know the rules

Hmmm, I wonder if after my direct playing opponent threw they actually waited the full 30 seconds I get to show up and make my throw??

Total bush league if you ask me!

Once I finally calmed down after dumping 3 more holes right away, the match changed momentum quickly. I just ran out of holes.

But that's OK,..Karma comes back around. How's that 20 footer :lol:

Todd Lapham · Post by **Todd Lapham** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:57 am

That's weak, especially since they knew you were right around the corner. Atleast you guys still won. :cheers:

Dave Jackson · Post by **Dave Jackson** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:23 am

I know, I know, I'm the bad guy. Yeah, and I gagged on a 20 footer. The point when I knew Gary was right around the corner was when we were on our third hole. There were decisions made among the group, it was unfortunate the way it all went down. Maybe I should call a whaaambulance for you Gary :wink:

Shaun LaForce · Post by **Shaun LaForce** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:25 am

Buff never once challenged the decision to play on without Gary there before the match...why start whining now?

Aaron Ala · Post by **Aaron Ala** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:47 am

Come on now Shaun, its message board Monday. Isn't this when/where all important things are brought to light?
That 20 footer sure did hurt (I'm gonna go back and measure it, I'm thinking it was more like 15), but I'm pretty sure the better team won. Thanks for a great day of golf Team Buff.

Joe Yaskis · Post by **Joe Yaskis** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:18 pm

Ala = stand up guy.

Great putting all second round. Ala hit some huge ones down the stretch.

Shaun, people did complain.

I guess it is an OFFICIAL RULE NOW> If you are late you lose hole.

Gary Cyr · Post by **Gary Cyr** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 12:30 pm

And the starting time is the starting time. Not 2-3-4-5 or 10 minutes early.

Maybe I should buy you guys watches and a rule book.

We had the same problem last year with Maple Hill when we challenged you at Maple Hill. Do You remember that?

Common sense is what should have prevailed in that situation. Not one of your members telling me "someone posted to be there at 8:45". You don't get to tell me what time I have to be at the course. You only get to tell me what time we tee off.

I shouldn't hear a bunch of bologna about how you somehow played 3 holes in like 7 minutes. And it didn't appear to me as if you guys were doing any waiting on Hole 4. You took advantage and tried to milk it for all it was worth.

So answer me this,..while you guys were quoting "you know the rules",..did I get my 30 seconds on the tee box of all three holes you played? Any questions read 804.02 Paragraph A

Shaun I did make an issue out of it when I arrived and the responses you see in my posts is what I was told. Even to me stating I got a call from Jeff Chauvin at 9:22 telling me that my group was already playing and I would lose each hole that I was not there for. So at 9:22 somebody (from both teams) knew the match had started, and I was on my way. To that, I had two Maple Hill members not wearing watches look me square in the face and tell me they played hole 2,3,4 in 8 minutes. Which is actually more like 6 minutes because it took 2 minutes for me to get out of the car, walk to tee 5 and start the discussion.

Bobby Direnzo · Post by **Bobby Direnzo** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:15 pm

LaForce wrote:Buff never once challenged the decision to play on without Gary there before the match...why start whining now?

Laforce how the hell would you know you where in my group? :scratch:

Bobby Direnzo · Post by **Bobby Direnzo** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:20 pm

yaskis wrote:
Shaun, people did complain.

I guess it is an OFFICIAL RULE NOW> If you are late you lose hole.

Sorry but Gary wasn't late we started 6 min early so dont blame him, blame everyone for not following the start time that was suppose to be 9:30AM. So if were going by the rules everyone should of got stroked. Laforce you happy now? :roll:

Just following the rules... :cry:

Gary Cyr · Post by **Gary Cyr** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:33 pm

Bobby D wrote:
yaskis wrote:
Shaun, people did complain.

I guess it is an OFFICIAL RULE NOW> If you are late you lose hole.

Sorry but Gary wasn't late we started 6 min early so dont blame him, blame everyone for not following the start time that was suppose to be 9:30AM. So if were going by the rules everyone should of got stroked. Laforce you happy now? Just following the rules...

No, no, no,...I was late. no doubt about it. I was 5 minutes late. Like I said to my group. If you want to play it that way, I have no problem taking the lost holes, as long as you were not playing any holes before 9:30AM.

The point here is you can't have it both ways. You can't tell me I'm late and then start early. And, if you are going to quote the rulebook in your defense, make sure you are following all the rules. I'm quite sure my group didn't pause 30 full seconds to wait for me on each hole.

Joe Yaskis · Post by **Joe Yaskis** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:39 pm

Gary should have been allowed to play the holes, no excuses.

Matt DeAngelis · Post by **Matt DeAngelis** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:42 pm

If the tee off time was 9:30, and it was decided to tee off before that, I don't see what the problem is, he is penalized.

If a team member was not there and people wanted to start, but it was before the posted tee time, I would have said HELL NO. The team should have stood up for Gary and said, we are not starting until 9:30, then if he isn't there, he gets penalized.

Gary Cyr · Post by **Gary Cyr** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:54 pm

Fu Man wrote:If the tee off time was 9:30, and it was decided to tee off before that, I don't see what the problem is, he is penalized.

100% disagree. I'm a participant in the event and when I left my house the tee time was 9:30. During the 20 minute drive there the tee time was changed. YOU CAN NOT DO THAT PERIOD!! THE POSTED STARTING TIME IS THE POSTED STARTING TIME. You can't change the starting time 5- 10 minutes before the actual starting time. Are you insane!

Fu Man wrote:If a team member was not there and people wanted to start, but it was before the posted tee time, I would have said HELL NO. The team should have stood up for Gary and said, we are not starting until 9:30, then if he isn't there, he gets penalized.

Agree with you 100%

Matt DeAngelis · Post by **Matt DeAngelis** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:57 pm

We are on the same page here Gary. The person/group at fault is anyone who made and agreed to the decision to move the tee time ahead 5 minutes.

Bear Dunn · Post by **Bear Dunn** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:58 pm

yea I don't know who decided to start so early. I got there at 920 and was going to at least stretch and putt a few, but immediately saw people walking to their hole assignments and had to get matched with the proper group. Basically got out of my car and went right to hole 9. And we started right way.

I still don't understand what happened. Luckily we won, but really, why the rush?

I don't know who was in charge..Yak? I know there was some concern to get everyone moving before league started, but if there's a set time, it has to be adhered to.

Either way, what's done is done. But from now on, let's start at the proper scheduled times, and none of this is even issue.

Great win Buff... Great battle Maple.

Gary Cyr · Post by **Gary Cyr** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:59 pm

The whole point to me making a stink about this now is to drive home the point you just don't get to make impromptu decisions 10 minutes before the starting time.

What if Vinny just decided to start league at 9:42 next Sunday. Hey why not, everybody is here, lets just start.

Maybe the next time the shuttle goes up the guy that pushes the button should just push it 6 minutes early. Then when they ask him why he did that he can say,... "the astronauts were in the ship!"

JohnT · Post by **JohnT** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:01 pm

If people can't wait 5-15min to let someone show up because they are running a little late to a team challenge then that is bush league in my eyes. Especailly the guy that was bringing the grill. Its a team challenge not a tournament. :roll:

If here were 15-30min late then that is a different story

Aaron Ala · Post by **Aaron Ala** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:02 pm

Am I missing something here?? Was it the decision of Team Maple Hill or Dave Jackson to start the round early??? I was at the course early enough to be at the 9:00 am players meeting and I don't think that's how it went down.

Bear Dunn · Post by **Bear Dunn** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:03 pm

I wasn't there..but i would like to know how it went down...i got there 10 mins before start time and was told to goto starting hole. um, what?

Matt DeAngelis · Post by **Matt DeAngelis** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:03 pm

Gary/Mass wrote:Maybe the next time the shuttle goes up the guy that pushes the button should just push it 6 minutes early. Then when they ask him why he did that he can say,... "the astronauts were in the ship!"

When I started to read this analogy, I was like, what shuttle??? Team buff has a shuttle?

Gary Cyr · Post by **Gary Cyr** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:16 pm

Apparently I need a shuttle, so I can get to the challenge on time.

I really don't understand what the hurry was on Sunday. We had an extra hour of daylight. I read the post about getting "out in front" of league. A league of what,..8 guys. The two local course teams were already busy. How many people did we think were gonna be at league? Also, how the hell do you get "out in front" of league in a shotgun start?

Again this is the second year in a row we had an issue with start time and Maple Hill. I don't know who's fault that is, but it happened again with the same team.

So we are either going to treat team challenge like tournaments and have a hard and fast start time. BTW, when was the last tournament somebody went to that impromptu just decided to start 5-10 minutes early? Or, we are going to treat team challenge with a little less stringency.

Jason Southwick · Post by **Jason Southwick** » Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:21 pm

That was weird. I was in Gary's group and everyone was starting. Someone in our group had a watch that said 9:25. What do you do? I asked. Brent and Dave Jackson didn't know. We were on Hole 2, and I walked up the fairway and asked a random group of team challenge players what usually happens when someone doesn't show up.

Someone said he loses every hole he's not present for. Okay, so we started, maybe one or two minutes early, though who can be sure.

Gary shows up after we played three holes, and wasn't too happy. He was pretty sure we must have started early. Then, already three strokes down, he proceeded to quickly lose another three holes. The way he was talking and the expression on his face suggested this may be a contested ruling.

So, Gary got hot and Dave Jackson got cold, and with two holes left those two were tied. I asked Gary at that point if he would accept the outcome no matter what happened. Gary say "yes," then proceeded to lose the next two holes and the match.