nefa ignorance

[Joe Yaskis]

Why couldn't the nefa board just make everyone in the team challenge be a nefa member. So mnay people with 25 dollars a whack. Way to go nefa.

[Jeff Prendergast]

Anyone who registers for the NEFA board should have to be a NEFA member. Apparently this is the most important place in NEFA. This is where they could clean up.

[Matt DeAngelis]

The NEFA member requirement to post is going to happen when we upgrade the site.

This other idea that joe had is terrible.

[Jeff Prendergast]

This other idea that joe had is terrible.

Actually it looks more like a question. A question that I think I might know the answer to. --> The TC is not affiliated with NEFA per se, therefore NEFA has no jurisdiction over anything the TC does. The only coordination between NEFA and the TC is the space (formerly) reserved for TC threads on this message board.

[Chris Martin]

The NEFA member requirement to post is going to happen when we upgrade the site.

I am really glad to hear this. Hopefully some member money will go to supporting the website.

[Titan Bariloni]

when the upgrade happens will non members have some ability to post..say 10 post before they must be a member..or maybe a fee just for forum usage $5 or something IDK

just seems strange to go all or nothing

and regardless of the rockets idea...it woulda made sense for nefa to incorporate the TC into nefa and snatch up $25 bucks a head from every TC member who is currently not a nefa member..yeah TC is not nefa..but it prob coulda been

[Matt DeAngelis]

Certain areas of the forum would be available, .but the majority would require membership.

Forcing people to do join NEFA in order to play team challenge would piss a lot of people off.

[Titan Bariloni]

Certain areas of the forum would be available, .but the majority would require membership.

Forcing people to do join NEFA in order to play team challenge would piss a lot of people off.

matt curious does "certain area of forums" mean to "see/read" or read/&post?

furthermore...lol
forcing the TC section off the board seemed to anger some people..so regardless people were gonna be upset..and now they still gotta pay an extra fee..so for $20 more they coulda been nefa member as well..seems cheap to me

I don't care where the message board is really....just think it is a shame to lose that many potential members..you had a solid way "force" membership of sorts for lack of a better term..and in the future with the forum being only to nefa members it in turns "forces" people to be a member so it is the same thing kinda...but w/o the guarantee of memberships as in the TC case

and now the TC people who are not nefa members for whatever reason..may perceive nefa to be kinda "mean" for kicking them off the board..and may never sign up..so you in turn still created what you woulda been trying to prevent from not forcing membership

edit

also IMO a forum is nothing w/o content....the more you limit the content or remove content the less effective your forum will be

[Mike Murphy]

How will new people learn about the organization if they can't access the forum to see what's going on.

Leagues and such are not NEFA member exclusive. This seems to me that it'll hinder the growth of membership.

[Sean Franchi]

nefa suck-s

[Matt DeAngelis]

Nothing is set in stone yet, but the idea is that NEFA members would be able to post and access all areas of the forum. Nonmembers would be able to view and post in certain areas of the forum (leagues and tournaments are two that make sense).

[Mike Murphy]

Nothing is set in stone yet, but the idea is that NEFA members would be able to post and access all areas of the forum. Nonmembers would be able to view and post in certain areas of the forum (leagues and tournaments are two that make sense).

I would think the entire States/Courses area should be open. That way people can find out about new courses going in their area.

.02

[Matt DeAngelis]

Good point. We'll have an open discussion to solicit these types of ideas as we get closer.

[Tim Carter]

Nefa has open discussion= good.

Nefa has closed books= bad.

Maybe a new poll... How many times and on how many threads will Matt ignore this concern?

It is unfortunate that Matt gets singled out, but he does appear to be the voice of the BOD on the forum. I know he is working hard and dedicated and I am thankful. We need more Matts, but we also need some transparency, I think.

[Matt DeAngelis]

It's being discussed by the board to get an updated list of finances.

Question for you. How many threads will people bring up the same unrelated topic rather than email, call, discuss directly with the bod? All our contact info is posted for a reason. It's not being ignored.

[Mike Dussault]

Interesting thread title. Is that meant to spur constructive debate, or incite ill will?

"NEFA" Is and will always be a collection of dedicated VOLUNTEERS! There is never a good reason to bash the people that do the stuff the rest of us have no interest to participate in. If you want to see a change in how things are done, run for a position and the people vote. No need to put down the hard working volunteer base. The only purpose that will serve is to burnout the elected officials.

[Titan Bariloni]

"NEFA" Is and will always be a collection of dedicated VOLUNTEERS!

very true..the question from me is what should we as volunteers focus on as an org?

should we all refocus our attention to the mission statement...rather spend all this energy on the point series...or has the point series become the main focus for nefa to grow the sport of disc golf and other frisbee related sports

does nefa stop at the point series and course donations or do they make a stance that they will push and be involved with ALL DG related items in NE?

The aspect of DG being a team sport opens the doors for schools/locals to see the success of DG being a team sport..that can then be incorporated past the TC we know and transformed into some great things...all started from the "Rocket's" brain and proven for years from volunteers and players...so the thing nefa wanted to protect here..kids from TC vulgarity..in turn IMO holds the evolution process back from not forming a model that could be fused into schools based off of the TC..if nefa is to be the face of DG in NE..creative ways to gain entry to new unexplored areas..school/local athletics sports programs...then is NEFA truly what it wants to be?

edit..this refers to the why nefa shoulda reached out and included this into the org as a whole..woulda also made membership appeal look better..hey ya get the singles series,nefa dubz..and TC if ya can find a team or make a team!!!
who cares if a few were mad about coughing up $25 bucks..most wouldn't have..and it shows dedication and commitment something I think is valuable in a team member..more so then ability

[Tim Carter]

Thanks for the update that the issue is being discussed by the BOD Matt. Which is about the same status that we've been at for the last how many months, leading up to the organization losing one of its most reliable and biggest supporters.

I wouldn't say my post was unrelated to the thread topic. Joe was talking about a missed opportunity to bring in new members. I am talking about a missed opportunity to retain existing members that are frustrated with the lack of transparency. Pretty closely related.

Your suggestions for how to better handle the issue (instead of posting) all involve private communications hidden from the eyes of the membership at large. Which gets right to the issue at hand. Why should this issue only be for private conversation and discussion?

Mike D., I totally understand and agree generally with the sentiment behind your post. Made me recall a message I sent to the president shortly after the election offering to help out this year in any way that I could. No response.

[Titan Bariloni]

if we are all volunteers then why all the BS with dumb votes from reps who can't even respond to an email timely to vote?

should just be a volunteer program..you offer an idea..you work on it..nefa provides blessing and resources

instead BS

[Matt DeAngelis]

This topic was specific to forcing players in the team challenge to become NEFA members in order to be part of the team challenge series.

Who is going to keep track of that?
Who is going to enforce that?
How many people would hate this requirement and stop being NEFA member out of principle or stop team challenge out of principle?

Talk it out and see if it makes sense. Not too late to do this as the team challenge hasn't started yet.

[Dave Jackson]

Transparency is ghey.
If you believe in an organization, support it and hope the monies are used prpoerly.
If you don't trust/believe in the organization, save your money and dump it into something you do believe in.

[Tim Carter]

The topic, in case anyone has forgotten, is NEFA Ignorance. Way to meet expectations.

[Kelly Conroy]

I am not a NEFA member simply because I don't play in many NEFA points tournies, so the point of becoming a member is not strong enough for me to justify becoming a member. That being said, if TC made a rule that every member had to join I would become a member, because it's something I partake in. NEFA dues could cover the TC dues and as a result sponser TC finals with the money it would gain from the increase in memberships. The TC dues would only go from 20 to 25 per person...what's the big deal here and why hasn't this been thought about?

P.S. many of the Northamptonites have the same situation as myself concerning NEFA membership.

[Matt DeAngelis]

I brought it to the new team challenge forum for discussion. No reason it can't happen, but I would be interested to hear some answers to the questions I posed. Also, how many additional members would be gained by doing this? Anyone want to volunteer to perform the due diligence and see if the benefit is there? Joe Yaskis?

[Titan Bariloni]

well..I know of 10..most of my new team

are all the rosters listed somewhere semi organized?
I betcha 40% of the overall TC players are not nefa memebrs

how many teams 20x16ish..rough estimation 130ish

120x25=3125....that is some serious $$$

again these are speculations until the real math is done..but I venture to say I am close to the true number

[Titan Bariloni]

Who is going to keep track of that?

team captains/managers...collect all the nefa numbers and submit them...and rosters are collected when lsited the nefa # goes next to players name

Who is going to enforce that?
team captains and commish..

How many people would hate this requirement and stop being NEFA member out of principle or stop team challenge out of principle?

a few but why..if they are already a nefa member it cost them nothing extra and they get to help there org out

[Matt DeAngelis]

So you are asking that the team captains take on this responsibility and then for Todd to be the one that tells them that they can't play?

I, as a captain, don't want to take on that additional responsibility. Not sure how Todd would feel about policing it either. Take this discussion to the new team challenge forum. This is becoming read only.

[Matt DeAngelis]

Something else to consider is that for players that are not current members, you are looking at an additional $50 to play team challenge this season (on top of the team dues). Since membership would be required and they aren't current, they would need to pay $25 for October/November/December, then another $25 membership for next season.

Again, this forum area is getting turned read only, probably today, so go to the new forum to discuss this.

[Joe Yaskis]

By forcing the team challenge to head elsewhere is ignorance in itself. 16 maybe 17 teams average 15 players at 25 a whack............... that's an s ton of cash now leaving the organization. I know a lot of people who would glady join nefa to be part of the team challenge. Members would support and pay for tc section. Its too late now that is why it is ignorance. Everyone volunteers. Pce. 2 cents.

[Joe Yaskis]

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