DNF Question

[Gretchen Kruesi]

Question on DNF's?

- do they still get points for the series? If so how is their score entered?
- And do DNF's count as attendance toward qualifying event?

I found this one line about it in the charter but have heard competing information: "Players who do not finish or are disqualified will have their attendance and points count toward their divisions’ NEFA
Points."

Thanks!

GK

[Matt DeAngelis]

This is related to the NEFA points series, correct?

I was asked this recently and I said that while the person that DNF is counted when determining the division total and points, that person does not get credit for the place at the event. I'll confirm it with the rest of the board and with the points chair to make sure that is correct, but I don't see a reason to give points to someone that didn't finish playing.

[Jeff Wiechowski]

So the others in the same division benefit from the DNF player showing up.

So the DNF player gets no points OR "attendance" credit toward their NEFA Finals Invite Total?

[Todd Lapham]

I would think they get last place and credit for attending an event.

[Gretchen Kruesi]

This is related to the NEFA points series, correct?

I was asked this recently and I said that while the person that DNF is counted when determining the division total and points, that person does not get credit for the place at the event. I'll confirm it with the rest of the board and with the points chair to make sure that is correct, but I don't see a reason to give points to someone that didn't finish playing.

Thanks, that would be great.

In VT we use NEFA guidelines for our series and DNF has come up for the first time since I've been updating the scores/website. I was hoping to see what you do in that case so we're doing it correctly.

I've heard two competing ways of doing it:
They get last place points for day that goes toward the series or they get nothing/does not go towards attendance.

Thanks!

GK

[Matt DeAngelis]

The issue is when you have a one or two person division. The player could show up to the event, throw one shot, then DNF and take home 1st or 2nd place points.

[Josh Connell]

For what it's worth, the PDGA does not award points for DNF (they give 0s), but the player is credited with attending and gets ratings for any rounds completed in the event. Of course, the PDGA doesn't have anything in which attendance at a minimum number of events matters, so I imagine they've never debated that particular topic. To them, they received the player fee for that player, the player gets credit for being there.

Same could apply to the NEFA series. A player that DNFs should be awarded zero points (not last place points) but get credit for attending. It would suck if a player could only make the minimum number of events in his/her division, then have an emergency arise and force them to DNF one of those events and consequently miss out on the Finals as well. By giving them the attendance credit but no points, at least they can still qualify for invitation to Finals. Their points average would take a hit and move them down the list, but at least they'd be on it.

[Kenji Cline]

^^^^ This sounds most fair. Attendance credit but no points.

[Matt DeAngelis]

Agreed. I'm discussing it with the points chair and the BoD to get an "official" ruling on it.

[Gretchen Kruesi]

Agreed. I'm discussing it with the points chair and the BoD to get an "official" ruling on it.

Awesome. Thanks!

GK

[Titan Bariloni]

This was all discussed after that west t event a few back...and resulted in a change to charter

[Matt DeAngelis]

The charter doesn't clearly discuss what an individual player gets as it relates to points, only how it affects the entire division. The discussion with the points chair and the rest of the bod is leaning towards no points for the DNF player, but they get credit for attendance. The rest of the wording in the charter still applies.

[Gretchen Kruesi]

The charter doesn't clearly discuss what an individual player gets as it relates to points, only how it affects the entire division. The discussion with the points chair and the rest of the bod is leaning towards no points for the DNF player, but they get credit for attendance. The rest of the wording in the charter still applies.

Great. Thanks!

As for the charter on how it affects points in the rest of the division could you pass that info along too?

I went to look at the charter but there was this message "Link to charter temporarily removed pending release of the 2011 Points Series Charter, coming soon".

Thanks!

GK

[Troy Dietrich]

All the charter states is:

Player Requirements
To receive NEFA Points, players must be current NEFA members before the event starts,
and they have to finish the event without being disqualified. Players who do not finish or
are disqualified will have their attendance and points count toward their divisions’ NEFA
Points.

It's just referring to whether the DNF'd player(s) count in the total of the number of players for the division when calculating points. Here's an example using a 5 player field:

(DNF players count in the total) This is the correct calculation as the charter stands.
Player 1 - 100.5
player 2 - 80.0
Player 3 - 60.0
player 4 - 40.0
Player 5 - 0.00 (DNF)

(If DNF'd players didn't count, it would look like this.)
Player 1 - 100.4
player 2 - 75.0
player 3 - 50.0
player 4 - 25.0
player 5 - 0.00 (DNF)

Oh...an here's the link to the current Charter: http://fs22.formsite.com/nefamembership/images/2012_NEFA_Points_Series_Charter.pdf

[Troy Dietrich]

The charter doesn't clearly discuss what an individual player gets as it relates to points, only how it affects the entire division.

It seems clear to me. It states that in order to receive points the players "have to finish the event without being DQ'd."

[Gretchen Kruesi]

Thanks!

In the Vermont series we'll be following the same protocol - zero points for day of, counts toward attendance for the series and counts toward calculations in the division for that tourney.

GK