MA NEDGC qualifiers

Trent Solomon · Post by **Trent Solomon** » Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:09 pm

Hi everyone.Below are the events I picked for New England Disc Golf Championship Qualifiers:

MASS(Best 4)
The VIneyard Social
Hop Head Festival
EMC Ocho
The Tully Tourament
Crane Hill Open
Blueberry Jam
Buffumville Dam Open
Barre
Cape Cod Open
Borderland Fall Finale

I chose not to use every NEFA event because of the premise behind the change to the NEDGC. The thought is to be more selective and have the best of the best there. With MA being given 28 spots each for Pro and Am I feel that limiting the number of events gives everyone a fair shot. I think it resembles the 2x events that we used to have. It levels the playing field for those people that arent able to make all the events. I also tried to spread the events around so that there is a fair shake for everyone. I know some events did not get counted that some would like, but this is the first year we are doing this and there will be some trial and error. I believe by limiting the events it will build a stronger field and be more competitive.

If you have any issues or questions please feel free to ask me.

Matt DeAngelis · Post by **Matt DeAngelis** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:17 am

Spoke with a lot of MA members yesterday and most expressed concern over the limited number of events being used. I asked them all to share their thoughts on this thread. For people like myself and others in this area, we have to travel over an hour to attend ANY qualifier for our own state!

Jon Gerry · Post by **Jon Gerry** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:43 am

I was thinking the same thing last week. Trying to come up with options all there really is are Borderland and Dacy. Are there even plans for a Tourney this year at Dacy (might be a good idea for fundraising for pads?). I would love the Fling or Finale to be a qualifier. Adding one of them should cover the whole corridor. Cape, S SHore, N Shore, Worcester Area, and west on the pike.

Jeff Wiechowski · Post by **Jeff Wiechowski** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:47 am

Not my region to worry about but there IS a fairly large dead zone.

Jon Gerry · Post by **Jon Gerry** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:53 am

Thanks Jeff, that perfectly illustrates my point.

Mike Dussault · Post by **Mike Dussault** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:37 am

I think we need a larger pool of events to pull from. 7 events is not enough, the likelihood is that not many people will get 7 events in for the minimum. If we use all the MA NE#FA events, it will be a truer representation of the talent in the area.

Any reason we are not using all NEFA events to qualify?

Still taking best 4?

Either way, it should be at least 12 events minimum to choose from.

Tim Carter · Post by **Tim Carter** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:43 pm

From the responses thus far, it sounds like borderlands crew wants a borderlands event to count as a qualifier. Simple as that. Not saying that is unreasonable, but call it what it is.

Yes there is a big deadzone for qualifiers, which corresponds to the area of the state where there are no courses (except borderlands). Hmm...

Matt DeAngelis · Post by **Matt DeAngelis** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 12:57 pm

I don't think it is just the players from this area that have issue with it. It was Arty that brought it up in the first place. Last time I checked, he lives no where near Borderland. There were five players from Borderland that we were hanging with yesterday and a few that were from out in Worcester area. It wasn't just the Borderland folk that would like to see this change. As a completely unrelated and less important topic, it's Borderland, no 's' needed.

Mike Dussault · Post by **Mike Dussault** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:29 pm

Being a player from Borderland there is no doubt I would want to see the tournament there as a qualifier. That being said, it will be really hard for people to qualify for finals with only 4/9 events being counted. For example, say someone can not travel to the Vinyard this weekend, Hopfest is full, and they have plans to attend a wedding on another tournament date. That leaves only 6 events left, of which you MUST attend 4 to qualify. Assuming they can get into all 6, it leaves a small sample size of events to pull your best from. If there were at least 12, you are more likely to make it to the required 4.

With the way tournaments are filling up these days, it is not inconceivable that players that need an event to make the 4 will get shut out of the finals because thay could not get in to the 4th event required.

Tim Carter · Post by **Tim Carter** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:38 pm

All valid. I will refrain from utilizing the extra incorrect letter in all further communication on the matter. Including the current iteration. It will be a challenge in light of the ubiquity of the letter.

Matt DeAngelis · Post by **Matt DeAngelis** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 1:39 pm

Mike Dussault · Post by **Mike Dussault** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:48 pm

...and another thing, what if a player wants to qualify in more then one division. Say a player wants to try thier hand at Pro but wants to qualify in Adv. They have less incentive to try to play some pro tournies when they will need all of the events to try to qualify for another division.

I want to play Open, but maybe I should play Masters where I will have an easier time of qualifying? Does not exactly promote competitive play.

Arty Graustein · Post by **Arty Graustein** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:35 pm

It was Arty that brought it up in the first place.

Yes Matt it was me who bought it up. If you care enough to follow along it can be found here: http://forums.nefa.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=10886&p=312143#p312143 I even began to type a longwinded reponse to our state rep with list of reasons why, but didn't want to come across as being a whiny b*tch. Plus it seemed to me his mind was made up. In any event, you guys are illustrating my thoughts perfectly. Hopefully our state rep is open minded enough to consider his constituents' opinions.

Arty Graustein · Post by **Arty Graustein** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:44 pm

What about people who live in Western, MA? Do they not even exist? All, that is being offered to them is Crane Hill. Believe me, this is not all about me. I think the whole state deserves a chance at this.

Matt DeAngelis · Post by **Matt DeAngelis** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:47 pm

Exactly! There needs to be more. We are the largest region with the most members and the most invites to give out. We need to have more events to capture the best talent in the state.

Craig Cutler · Post by **Craig Cutler** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:30 pm

The NY/NJ region strongly supports a larger number of MA qualifiers.

Rob Tatro · Post by **Rob Tatro** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:44 pm

More qualifiers please

ira divoll · Post by **ira divoll** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:37 pm

My detailed thoughts are in another thread, but I am also requesting my MA NEFA representative to revisit the decision to limit the number of qualifiers.

Thanks!

Trent Solomon · Post by **Trent Solomon** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:24 pm

Borderland will be offered as a qualifier. As far as western MA there are three courses on the western part of the state that are being used as qualifiers. I feel that having a limited number of events puts more emphasis on those events. It is the same thing as the old 2x events. If it doesnt work out well then next year we can change it. I believe that this will be good for the masses and hope that people will trust me. that is why I was elected in the first place, was it not?

Rob Tatro · Post by **Rob Tatro** » Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:52 pm

I don't think so ... why do you think limiting the amount of qualifiers will help? I just don't get it? There are many of your constituents who would/have/will express their displeasure with your decision. Let's be clear, this is your, and only your, decision and in no way reflects the intent of NEFA as a community.

NEFA's goal was to spread the word and let all of New England know that being a part of the NEDGC was all inclusive so that members of less populated regions have a chance to be represented fairly. This stance that you have taken on limiting the amount of qualifying events Trenton however seems to be against being inclusive but rather exclusive ... the membership is taking notice and I will tell you that the PM's that I'm getting on a daily basis are not happy. I happen to agree with them.

Titan Bariloni · Post by **Titan Bariloni** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:52 am

Help events fill...all listed already do

Hcc...pittsfield

Heck why not all of them

Werd

Mike Dussault · Post by **Mike Dussault** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:26 am

Trent Solomon wrote:Borderland will be offered as a qualifier. As far as western MA there are three courses on the western part of the state that are being used as qualifiers. I feel that having a limited number of events puts more emphasis on those events. It is the same thing as the old 2x events. If it doesnt work out well then next year we can change it. I believe that this will be good for the masses and hope that people will trust me. that is why I was elected in the first place, was it not?

Just adding Borderland is not enough. There needs to be more events listed to qualify. For the reasons discussed and more, open it up to all Mass. state NEFA events. It will not water down the invites, but get more quality players with enough events to qualify. Let the membership be heard! Not enough events to qualify for what is supposed to be the premiere event in NEFA. Now the way you have it, it is less likely to get the best of MA. at the event.

Matt DeAngelis · Post by **Matt DeAngelis** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:02 am

I understand the idea that "if it doesn't work out, it will be changed next year", however, I think the change should be more inclusive this year. I see a very limited pool of people that get the invite with this setup. It would be terrible if we don't fill all available invites in each group, pro and am. The way to avoid this is to bring in more potential qualifiers for people to go play. I think a majority of the NEDGC committee members are in line with the idea of expanding the number of events.

Matt DeAngelis · Post by **Matt DeAngelis** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:04 am

From a different thread that Rick "the body" Belhumeur:

rick belhumeur wrote:Just adding Borderland is not enough. There needs to be more events listed to qualify. For the reasons discussed and more, open it up to all Mass. state NEFA events. It will not water down the invites, but get more quality players with enough events to qualify. Let the membership be heard! Not enough events to qualify for what is supposed to be the premiere event in NEFA. Now the way you have it, it is less likely to get the best of MA. at the event.

Matt DeAngelis · Post by **Matt DeAngelis** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:07 am

Some more detailed thoughts:

viewtopic.php?p=312200#p312200

Rob Walker · Post by **Rob Walker** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:49 am

I'm trying to keep up with all of the changes this year and was wondering, what is the incentive to play a NEFA event that isn't on this list for finals? I'm signed up for Devens. What makes that tournament any different than playing any other tournament? In years past, the idea was to play as many NEFA events as possible to qualify for finals by using your best six events (for AM1). At one point in time, you could play a 2x event and have it count as two tournaments, in case you couldn't manage to play the required amount of tournaments for your division.

Jeff Wiechowski · Post by **Jeff Wiechowski** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:09 am

Rob Walker wrote:I'm trying to keep up with all of the changes this year and was wondering, what is the incentive to play a NEFA event that isn't on this list for finals? I'm signed up for Devens. What makes that tournament any different than playing any other tournament? In years past, the idea was to play as many NEFA events as possible to qualify for finals by using your best six events (for AM1). At one point in time, you could play a 2x event and have it count as two tournaments, in case you couldn't manage to play the required amount of tournaments for your division.

Regular NEFA events will still be used to determine the Season Points winners in each of the divisions.
Regular season payouts will remain the same AND if you're #1 in your division, your name goes on the Sap House plaque for all of eternity.

Titan Bariloni · Post by **Titan Bariloni** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:20 am

you peeps are all F'ed(BOD)

This is kinda a joke really

I was torched when I said 2x events are crap cuz a player could play 3 events and win a division..yes it happened basically already in past(Abel) and nothing against Abel just pointing out it happened...

so that said all the members whined and cried about not being inclusive and families and blah blah...

ok furthermore when I was chair to the frigging series I couldnt change anything w/o a bunch of total BS and ying ling votes and cry babies,....to the point I was called out for being "rogue" by another BOD member(who basically went rogue himself IMO)

and that was for creating a sub committee to address member/series issues..and we all know look at this topic on the board I spent hours trying to understand the mebers and better srve the series to their needs/wants...

again all w/ BOD BS

then I submit a charter it is hacked..and 2x get total revamp basically making them even sharty then they were...

so now we have some "elected rep" uncontested basically going rogue here IMO...

and crushing the valuable MA portion of the whatever the nefa series is nowadays...

basically puke emotion wouldnt describe my distast w/ nefa as an ORG

and anyways lets nix the series all together and focus on course WORK!!!!

the series has drained enough resources/time from Nefa

and for what to make it a true joke more then it was....

signed
former nefa #1184

sick of all the nefa BS and the years I put in to help out go to deaf ears and watch countless idiots mismanage the ORG

I have tried...time to move on

I will miss you Bobby :lol:

ban this @======================> in your mouths

Titan Bariloni · Post by **Titan Bariloni** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:36 am

non renewing "lurker" sounds sooooo appealing

Jeff Wiechowski · Post by **Jeff Wiechowski** » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:44 am

So all change is BS?
Unless it's your idea, which will always work and everyone automatically likes?
So why didn't you get voted into the MA rep position?

It appears as though THAT particular position holds quite a bit of weight as the majority of the NEFA members reside there. HUGE responsibility that someone needs to really embrace to see that the future of NEFA isn't threatened. Lots of different opinions that all should be considered before making a desicion on all issues.

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