Wompatuck????

[Rob Curtis]

I haven't heard anything about this course. Is this still alive? The idea of course seemed to reasonate with the "Friends of Wompatuck" group after the walk through.

Please let me know....I will be more then willing to help out anyway to have a course close to the city.

Thanks,
Rob

[discglfr05]

Still on going Rob, we're in the process of designing some Wompatuck bag tags to sell and raise money for the purchase of a practice basket to be placed outside the visitor's center. Sorry I haven't had any updates lately,..it's been a very busy summer for me with the NN magazine and work. I will make an announcement as to when the next walk thru will be

[Rob Curtis]

After playing at Devens again today I was thinking about ideas to borrow as they have done a great job with that course.

Why not use buckets and at least get some ideas flowing for course layout? What are the challenges we face in establishing a course in Hingham besides raising money. I would be willing to help with some intial funding and sweat equity for buckets. Yeah, I know...big spender...ha. Once we get buckets in place we can go from there.

Please let me know how I can help.

[Ranger Dave]

Id be willing to pay for a basket. Stop by and ill give ya a check, Warn me first that your coming.....lol

[discglfr05]

I wish I could dedicate more time to seeing this course proposal really take off; however, living on the Cape, it is not a realistic endeavor for me at this time. I continue to hold out hope that the DCR will step in and consider DG a legitimate recreational addition for many of their properties and I will continue to send reminders and establish contacts. I am happy to help out when and where I can, but taking the lead on a project so far from my home is just not realistic

[Justin Anderson]

Any updates on Wompatuck?

[discglfr05]

The park supervisor needs a management plan to be submitted before any targets/clearing or fundraising can take place. The management plan must address course outline (more walk-thrus), start and end points, what needs to be cleared, trash management and reasons why disc golf would be beneficial to the park in terms of recreation...this part's easy

The purpose of the management plan is so that the supervisor can take it to the regional director for all parks in SE Mass for his approval...once that's done, the dirty work can start. As I've previously stated, I simply don't live close enough to take the lead on this...I really wish I could

[discglfr05]

There will be a walk thru at Wompatuck State Park in Hingham, MA on June 12th at 6:00 p.m. for the purpose of reviewing the area of the park proposed for a disc golf course. Yes, the proposal is still alive, so to all those who have clammored for more courses in SE Mass, to all those Boston/Metro area dg'ers who've asked, "why isn't there a course closer to Boston??" ....well, here's your chance to get involved.

Meet at the Visitor's Center on the right hand side shortly after passing through the main entrance.

Wompatuck: It's not just some obscure disc golf team name, it's a disc golf course waiting to happen

[Rob Tatro]

Andrew ... I've checked with Sharon and I will be there! As I've said, I'm an hour away but anything I can do to help you out, I'll do my best. I'll probably be getting there earlier than that ... any chance of meeting early for a pre-walk through?

[Ranger Dave]

Im going to try to come. Is Brian Shanahan the regional Supervisor for the region coming?


Ranger Dave

[Ranger Dave]

By the way, the more people that show up for this the better. Come even if you cant do the walkthru.


Ranger Dave

[Jim Wills]

Is Brian Shanahan the regional Supervisor for the region coming?
Ranger Dave

I believe Steve Gammons was who we are meeting with again Dave.

[discglfr05]

Im going to try to come. Is Brian Shanahan the regional Supervisor for the region coming?

Once we get the official proposal together...layout, management plan, etc, Steve Gammons will submit that info to Brian Shanahan for ultimate approval.

[discglfr05]

Just a reminder the Wompatuck Walk thru is tomorrow, June 12th. Wompatuck State Park is located in Hingham, MA....link for directions: http://www.mass.gov/dcr/parks/southeast/womp.htm

We will be meeting outside the Visitor's Center....once u pass the main entrance, it's on the right. Officially, we'll be meeting between 5:30-6:00 p.m; however, if you would like to see the area but can't make the scheduled time, here are the directions to the proposed area:

The parking lot on the left across the main road from Visitor's center. Take the paved path with the fire gate and use the following trail markers (grab a park map from the visitor's center):
Follow markers: N1, N2, N3, N12, N13, C7, C8, C11. The proposed area is off C11..there is a paved road cutting thru the center of the area and a mix of woods and thick meadow. As you walk down the paved path, both sides are open for course layout.
FYI, it takes a good 10 minutes of walking to get to the proposed area. Hope to see you out there and if you can't join us, try to get a look/see when you have time

[discglfr05]

Due to today's rather ominous forecast, we will re-schedule the walk thru for next Tuesday (6/19)...same time. If anyone is interested in checking out the area in the meantime, just follow the directions from the above post.

[off he goes]

Is there anything new going on at Wompatuck? Is is dead?

I'm brand new to disc golf and would love it if there was something closer to Boston so I could easily play during the week.

Is there any group centered in Boston that is working this or another course?

[Steve Solbo]

Any updates on this...? What needs to be done, who needs to be contacted. I would love to get involved now that I am much closer.

Jim Wills, you are lefty.. I am a righty. Let's do this, Ranger Dave... who's who at DCR... who can I lay my experience to as far as being an agent now consultant who plays disc?

Me and Jim are looking for a place close to home to play at...

right Jim?

[discglfr05]

Here is the contact for the course proposal, his name is Steve Gammons and he's the park superintendant: www.Steve.Gammon@state.ma.us

What Steve needs is a management plan to be officially submitted to him for review, the plan should include: course layout, trash management/parking, usage estimates, etc, etc. Earlier on this thread are directions to the area of proposal....it's quite a hike thru the woods, so one of the issues to deal with is somehow bringing the course layout closer to the main parking lot. The area of the park was chosen because it is seldom used and also subject to illegal camping/partying and dumping site...that's why the park likes the idea of an activity out there to quell less desirable activities.

[Jim Wills]

Jim Wills, you are lefty.. I am a righty. Let's do this, Ranger Dave... who's who at DCR... who can I lay my experience to as far as being an agent now consultant who plays disc?

Me and Jim are looking for a place close to home to play at...

right Jim?

This is true on all of the above.....I would be happy to put in time on this if it gets rolling. Being on the newer side Im pretty clueless as far as the steps and efforts that need to be taken from here though.

[Steve Solbo]

Jim,

I just sent an email to Mr. Gammon, hopefully he will get back to me soon.

Just think Jim, we could start a league SO much closer to home...

[Steve Solbo]

im on it.

[Ranger Dave]

Their is an M.O.U being worked on right now for the first State Park which will have one ( Borderland). Borderland was never officially set up with the States OK. Only the Supervisors OK, which is a little different matter . Once that is done it will be much easier for anyone else to set up a course with an MOU and the steps needed to get one. Their are other parks waiting and I believe several parks will have disc golf in the next 1-3 years.


Ranger Dave

[Steve Solbo]

This is the response I got.

Steven,
The proposal is at the park level right now. It is vauge although we have a good idea what area it would be best located. After we get the specific proposal on paper, we can send it on up the chain of command.

Stephen Gammon
Forest & Park Supervisor III
Wompatuck State Park

[discglfr05]

M.O.U- Memorandum of Understanding- is a legal document describing a bilateral or multilateral agreement between parties. It expresses a convergence of will between the parties, indicating an intended common line of action and may not imply a legal commitment. It is a more formal alternative to a gentlemen's agreement, but in some cases, depending on the exact wording, lacks the binding power of a contract.

[discglfr05]

This is the response I got.

Steven,
The proposal is at the park level right now. It is vauge although we have a good idea what area it would be best located. After we get the specific proposal on paper, we can send it on up the chain of command.

Stephen Gammon
Forest & Park Supervisor III
Wompatuck State Park

He's waiting for a management plan from whomever is willing to take the lead on this project.

[Steve Solbo]

To me it sounds like they are all set with help right now. If he wanted help, I would think he would have said,"We need a management plan, would you like to help?"

we shall see.. I wrote back saying if they needed assitance with anything, I could be there.

[discglfr05]

To me it sounds like they are all set with help right now. If he wanted help, I would think he would have said,"We need a management plan, would you like to help?"

we shall see.. I wrote back saying if they needed assitance with anything, I could be there.

In Steve Gammon's response, he's asking for a written proposal...this doesn't come from anyone else except those who want to have a course there. It's not that they need "help", they need a proposal from you or whomever decides to take the lead. I've spoken with Steve Gammons many times in person and over the phone, trust me, this is what he's looking for.

As it stands right now, you've got the blessings of the Friends of Wompatuck Group (of which Mr. Gammons is a member) as well as Gammons' personal endorsement. In order to pass the proposal along to the regional level (DCR Southeast Region), they(Wompatuck SP) must have a management plan written by those who initiated the proposal....they know very little about disc golf, that's why they need a written proposal from those in the know.

[Steve Solbo]

That statement as written, does not look like he needs help.. I know you were in on this from the get go, like I said, I hope he responds to my response.

[discglfr05]

I'd be happy to help write up a management plan, but I just don't want to be the main contact on this because of my lack of availability. Once the plan has been submitted by us and approved on the regional level, then we can actually start mapping out an object course, do some cutting and plan a layout. Wompatuck is not contributing funding to this course from DCR budget monies, so we'll haveto get creative in that arena.

All work involved in setting up the course is 100% volunteer...there may be times when park equipment could be used to do some clearing but that's up to Mr. Gammons. From my initial verbal proposal and up to the walk thru, it is my understanding that Wompatuck's side of the deal is gaining permission to implement the course based on our written proposal....everything else is up to us.

[discglfr05]

That statement as written, does not look like he needs help.. I know you were in on this from the get go, like I said, I hope he responds to my response.

Instead of waiting for his response, just shoot him an e-mail requesting clarification on what he wrote....ask him outright..."do you need a proposal from us?", then we can get started.