Scoring Penalty

[Charlie Holmgren]

I was thinking about this the other day and realized it would be too hard to track i guess. It just doesn't seem right to have your rating go down for something that has nothing to do with the way you played the course.

If the Yes/No option is not enough for all you pollheads please leave an interesting response below.

[Mike Dussault]

Scoring is part of the game. It is also part of your score. If you don't want the bad math to effect your rating, use a calculator, or 2x / 3x check your math.

[Karl Molitoris]

Not really a "pollhead", but I've been called a lot of other "heads" (xxxxhead, yyyyhead, @#$%head, etc.)in the past, so we might as well add this one to the list...

Not sure by "scoring penalty" you're referring to "...adding up the scores incorrectly...", and thus incurring "additional strokes" - but if you are, there has to be SOME system to address this. Some might advocate a "DQ" for such an offense...although I agree that this might be a little harsh (but the PGA, USGA, etc. do have this).

Not putting the onus back on you, but if NOT additional strokes added, what? Nothing? Too lenient. DQ? Too harsh. You owe us a beer? Illegal in some parks .
Not sure what else we could use.

Karl

[Matt Aubin]

wrong-score penalty strokes (IMHO) are part of the 'non-throwing' game just as courtesy violations or illegal discs etc... if my cel phone keeps ringing during a round, I expect to get a penalty and have it count towards my rating. The only difference is that you could unknowingly have a number of stroke-able violations, but you can always triple check your card.

[Dave McHale]

agree with matt, even though it happens "off the course" it is still part of the rules and a perfectly valid way for your score to increase per the violation. Same way you make sure you don't incur penalties for foot faults, courtesy violations, playing the wrong course during the round, etc. If you don't want to get penalized in the short term (scope of the tournament) or long term (your rating), always make sure your score is added correctly.

[Greg Hinkley]

I see no valid reason for this rule/penalty.

The TD's make sure all the math is correct.

I never even look at the total the players put down.

The actual scores on the holes is what matters. We trust they are correct. Is the next step to have a marshall follow every group and confirm scores on each hole?

Why is this a problem?

Why does it deserve a penalty?

As long as the actual hole scores are correct I see no reason for the penalty. It is not a hardship on the TD and the correct scores are used for the next round or finishing place as totaled by the TD.

Somone help me understand why this is a penalty.

[Mark Valis]

Because it is part of your overall responsibility as DG'er . It doesn't take much time to re-do the math for your own score and initial it. In back to back Tournies this year everyone's scores on my card were wrong and I was the only one to double check mine and correct it. It's enough that the TD has to recount it once but then if he notices a discrepency than he or someone else has to count it for a second time to make sure.

[Dave McHale]

greg, as someone who i know has run a lot of tourneys yourself I'm confused how you can say that it's "not a hardship on the TD". IMO it's a HUGE pain in the ass when you get a bunch of cards handed in and all the scores are wrong.

I think the rule was probably created in the spirit of also preventing pencil-whipping. even if the scores are watched over by the group per hole and everything is written down correct, an unscrupulous player could always just "accidentally" add their total up to 1 or 2 less than they really shot and "hope" it slips by undetected. If it does, great they just cheated successfully. (of course I suppose that's still true in the existing system, but since we ARE double-checking scores to ensure accuracy they should be caught more often than not). If it doesn't slide by, there's no penalty at all but hey at least they TRIED to cheat. "gee, sorry guys i really suck at math" gets old when someone ALWAYS puts themselves down for an improper score. The possibility of repercussions helps keep that type of player from always trying to cheat the system. And please don't try to say that no one would do such a thing......

[Greg Hinkley]

Because it is part of your overall responsibility as DG'er . It doesn't take much time to re-do the math for your own score and initial it. In back to back Tournies this year everyone's scores on my card were wrong and I was the only one to double check mine and correct it. It's enough that the TD has to recount it once but then if he notices a discrepency than he or someone else has to count it for a second time to make sure.

TD's should be checking twice. Melissa and I do every card.


Why make it a responsibility of the DG'er?


I think the more important thing is proving the correct scores were written down after each hole was completed.

When I have the option, non-PDGA rules events, I do not impose the penalty. If I MUST I will.

[Kristi_Bayer]

I vote You MUST!

[Jeff Zipkin]

interesting discussion.
as i'm reading it i find myself thinking about the distinction between being ticketed for a moving violation (speeding) and a non-moving violation (expired registration). both of em earn you a fine, but only the moving violation earns you points on your license. i could see this as analagous to the in-play violation (falling putt) vs a not-in-play violation (scoring, etiquette). shouldn't they both earn you a "fine" (stroke penalty) but only the in-play violation earn you "points on your license" (negative impact to your rating)?

[Titan Bariloni]

but only the moving violation earns you points on your license.

not exactly in most states and offense is points on record.......IMO is stupid

someone speeds and I get the same points off as say an inspection sticker.....or if my tail light went out without knowing

[Titan Bariloni]

As long as the actual hole scores are correct I see no reason for the penalty. It is not a hardship on the TD and the correct scores are used for the next round or finishing place as totaled by the TD.

Does make sense......I do also see the point of DG'er duty.....but if the hole totals are correct....does seem like in the "spirit" of FUN and yes Disc Golf is suppose to be FUN that some simple math mistake that HAS to be double checked anyways could be sorted out.....I know I would not want some cheap win because my opponent shot lights out and then made some simple mistake that had nothing too do with his performance on the course.

In a non PDGA EVENT that shows GREAT class by a TD to not enforce the strokes from a math error.

Hope to make one of your events again this year Greg...had a blast year

[Greg Hinkley]

The correct hole score is key. Maybe more than one scorecard per group will help.

Or how about everyone keeps everyones score and then turn in one card? I can hear the complaints now but it should solve any pencil whipping.

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[Scooter Feely]

At the last couple of tournaments at Borderland, most of the scoring mistakes involved people adding incorrectly and giving themselves too many strokes. That's a bummer. It does make things go easier when people hand in legible scorecards that are added correctly.

[Marvino Manalo]

At the last couple of tournaments at Borderland, most of the scoring mistakes involved people adding incorrectly and giving themselves too many strokes. That's a bummer. It does make things go easier when people hand in legible scorecards that are added correctly.

I had this problem not too long ago. This is how I do it.. In my group I hate people that cant wait for there turn to putt out. I don't care if your having a bad day. As a player it's your resposibility to keep ur own scored this rule is the best rule because if you add the total wrong and they don't check, if it's the right score. They get penalty for adding score. just like that F. them. I like to keep scored because it controls how the game move to the next hole.

[Chris Bolton]

At the last couple of tournaments at Borderland, most of the scoring mistakes involved people adding incorrectly and giving themselves too many strokes. That's a bummer. It does make things go easier when people hand in legible scorecards that are added correctly.

there have been many people who i ahve played with who can;t legibly write a 5 or a 3...it seems to look like the same number....

[Jeff Wiechowski]

there have been many people who i ahve played with who can;t legibly write a 5 or a 3...it seems to look like the same number....

LOL! CCow points out others inability to write legibly with typo's in his post.

[Chris Bolton]

lol!!!!

i never said i wasn't guilty of it myself

[Tim_Griskus]

there have been many people who i ahve played with who can;t legibly write a 5 or a 3...it seems to look like the same number....

LOL! CCow points out others inability to write legibly with typo's in his post.

Typing isn't writing.