We need Clarification...

[Steve Solbo]

Of course Tully is at the forefront of yet another contreversy.

What is a "roster move"?

Say a player leaves a team, that team leaves a spot open, player returns later.. 1 move right?

my suggestion is to make it that if a player leaves a team for a "valid" reason, i.e. travel, injury, kicked off team, etc. They are eligible to return.

Adam Dodge, or another TullyRock player will be switching teams for the Dam Teams Challenge against Borderland II. Or so it seems that way. Then I would think switching back to Tully for Tully's challenge against Woodland Valley.

What I am getting at is I think that's 2 roster moves. Just leaving a spot open on your roster doesnt suffice. I would suggest that if you are swapping players, i.e. Player A is injured during first challenge. Player B takes his spot knowing that Player A will be back in time for the last 2 challenges (1 move). Player A gets healthy, comes back, takes player B's spot back. (Move 2).

In this situation I think Tully is trying to "bend" the rules. By simply letting Dodge play for the Dam team, not replacing him then we he comes back the entire move was (1 roster move)... then likely to do it again later in the year... 1 move for each team again.

Clarify for me Titan if I am wrong in my thinking.

[Steve Solbo]

I guess this means you can get away with it once.

Once Adam leaves, then once you put him back on your roster, that's Tully's 2 moves.

[Steven Dakai]

No way, 1 team per person, per year.

We aint playing the shell game with our rosters.

[Steve Solbo]

No way, 1 team per person, per year.

We aint playing the shell game with our rosters.

I think Todd actually has it covered within the rules, when he states that roster moves can be made for "Reasonable Reasons"...

to me this attempt to switch teams is FAR from "reasonable" and I think all captains should be called to the table to determine if this move is within reason, afterall, we are essentially the voting body.. heck, they could try it again against you guys later in the season...

it's important to quash this now.

[Steve Solbo]

slight add on.

The only reason I think it would be acceptable for a person to be able to leave one team and go to another would be if there was a major disagreement and one guy just couldnt get along with his teammates and wanted to leave his team and join another. But obviously in that case, he wouldn't be able to or want to return to his/her old team.

[Steven Dakai]

I still say no. Especially when both teams are from the same course!!

Pick your team wisely...that goes for players and captains!

[Matt DeAngelis]

I don't think this should be allowed.

[Steve Solbo]

Just so everyone knows, Fabricio is traveling to Brazil for 2 months, we know we won't be able to qualify the person we pick up in his absence, but he'll be a filler until Fab gets back, don't want to get into a situation where I can't field a team or if the other team has all 16, I don't want to make anyone sit.

Don't know whom that player is yet.

I got Feldberg on speed dial so....

[Shaun LaForce]

sounds like 2 moves

[Shawn Mullen]

Playing for two different teams should not be allowed. If you move to another team you shouldn't be able to go back to the other one. There are team wick players who play at Tolland all the time that would love to play an extra match and help the other team out. Can't allow people to go back and forth.

[Shawn Mullen]

IMO any add on is a roster move......even if you have an open spot it's a move.

[James Reinhold]

The whole playing for another team turned out to be an inside joke and was not serious. However it does bring up some good points, but I think most are covered in the rules.

There is nothing to say that someone you bring on your team cannot be from another team, however, I think the "for any reasonable reason..." covers this "specific situation" but not another, see below.

Now, with that said...I think that the idea of bringing someone in from another team to play has lots of issues. Even if there is a person who is "not getting along" with their team, I think it is unfair for that player to jump to another team mid-season...Unless we start coming up with mid-season waivers rules... This should not be allowed for any reason.

There is also an issue if someone was brought on for the last match or two to swing the decision of those matches only...i.e. - They would not be able to play in finals due to less than 3 challenges, but could place the team into a higher ranking. I think this should be disallowed. I think you should have your whole team set before the final three challenges.

This gets confusing with the whole "one person off then back on" issue...I think that the rule states you can replace "two players" on your squad for "any reasonable reason" for any one else, minus the restrictions we are talking about. So, if you bring back the same player you removed for your first roster switch and replace the player who took their spot...that is your second roster move. Unless you never replaced them in the first place, then obviously they were never replaced in the first place.

I agree, this needs to be answered, specifically what is the penalty to the team for doing so when that player cannot play in the finals. I can understand if someone is truly unable to play and that team needs another player...There just needs to be a clear and just cause for the switch.

I don't think an add on to a vacant spot should be considered a move. A move is swapping one of your 16 players already on the squad. If you only have 14, then adding on another two to fill your roster is not a "move".

OK...I think I am now just confusing myself....

[James Reinhold]

? So roster moves can be made up until the day of the first challenge?

Yeah

I stand corrected on my earlier post in regards to the "add on" after the first challenge not being a roster move...

[Steve Solbo]

I think filling a spot is a move, even if said spot is empty.

Also, we did fill a spot for a player that could not travel with our team last year, with a new player, he couldn't play in finals but helped us down the stretch, just as BOB might not be able to qualify for us this year, he'll help us till Fab gets back, or if something happens to another one of my players, when Fab comes back I can replace that person.

[Adam Whitten]

This is soo funny. I think you guys should just not let Titan talk you into his ideas lol!!

Dodge is not switching first off and we have a full roster and I don't need him

He is a good player but if he switched that would be his choice and frankly I don't have room for him. I do believe this started as a joke because Dodge didn't want to face me in a challenge!!

But anyway please remember Titan is on TullyRock this year and if there are questions with the Dam Team please PM me and I can clarify what is real and just not going to happen!!

[Titan Bariloni]

question..and don't let tasty fool ya...I run the show..!

the real dealy...2 of the team members on Dam team are deaf...it makes for tough communication for obv reasons..

we have communicated well..I think..and fingers crossed they will just show...I last talked to them over 3 weeks ago..and got a confirmation and gave them all the needed info...so we shall see...

but if they don't..I will know something was lost in translation..so

the question, we have a "local" waitlist around here already 3 deep..! so can/should we tell them to show...and bang I am sure the Captain will pop them right on the rooster for the YEAR....will it count as rooster move since technically it was before the start of season..?

and I have faith they show..this agent covered most of the angles with them via..chats on scorecards and cell phone note software...and sign language..just want to check the options of what "if" out

TY

[Steven Dakai]

You are not on the Dam team, worry about TullyRock...

[Steve Solbo]

It doesnt matter if the person was on a "waitlist" preseason, any move made DURING the season is a move.

I have Feldberg, Nikko, Ulibarri and Cale on my waitlist, I guess if I add them it's not a roster move? NOT!

Trying to circumvent the rules yet again I see?

[Titan Bariloni]

No not really "dodging" the rules

come on are you serious..!

the 2 kids who did not show are deaf..something was lost in translation for OBV reasons....there was a "local" team waitlist for any free spots or no shows..it was always said you don't show for challenge or call then your auto bumped...

the kids did not show..thus Dam team then cut the players before challenge and then added players before challenge...true story...hell one of the dudes from the waitlist left the frigging Pats game,drove 30 minutes,pissed the wife off, to come secure his spot in insane cold windy conditions....was hardly a duck the rules move...

and yes I will speak about the DAM team any time I so desire...