Ending a team challenge at a certain time.

[LeftyhasRights]

This sounds like a bad idea. If dubs matches are scheduled to end at 4:45pm and dubs team A is ahead of dubs team B by 1-2 strokes what would stop one person or team from stalling? Can easily be done and can't be proven.

I think it would be wise to end on a set amount of holes than establishing an end time. Too much room for argument.

[Stephen Ditter]

Pat,

I see your point, but I didn't notice any delay tactics during my match. There were 6 other matches going on, did anyone intentional slow play when they had the lead or notice the opposing team doing so?

Both capts agreed it was a better choice to set a time limit than a hole limit (9 to 12 holes) Some teams played as many as 16 and we played 13.

-ditterman

[Sean Curcio]

We played Dubz first yesterday. I could only see benifits, no negitives. This may help with the issue.

[Matt DeAngelis]

Playing doubles first has other negative impacts in my opinion. Easier to rack up points in doubles and the pick off singles matchups for the few points needed at the end. It is much harder to do that in singles with the number of matches played. We did it dubs first one time and that's it. I will always play singles first then dubs.

[Titan Bariloni]

I agree with playing Dubz first kinda takes the thrill of singles away..

kinda torn..only played dubz first..so hard to judge

I think DAM Buff played preset holes..? 6...?

[Kevin Gardner]

nah time limit.
Huge backup, me and Tasy only got 8 holes in...
Sucks. I like singles first.

[Titan Bariloni]

oh I c

tasty is a big boy...not so fast

time limit is kinda dumb..would rather play horse/pig or something...

[LeftyhasRights]

Steve, It was suggested for our tc against NASA.

It may have happened at Wick/Bland challenge although no one would admit to it.

CTKB, you have anything you want to share?

[Rob Tatro]

What exactly are you trying to get to Pat?

[J_Disc]

If conditions are such that time limits make sense, then both singles and doubles should be capped to ensure an approximate 50/50 split of singles vs doubles. Teams also need to provide for a reasonable lunch/break time.

Further, in any potentially time-constrained challenge, it also makes since to:
.....A) split points for any tied matches (no playoff holes)
.....B) provide for a shotgun vs trickle start

These guidelines, and any possible playoff scenarios, all need to be discussed prior to the start of the challenge.

PS/Edit: Singles is best for the first round, but there are times when doubles first is compelling -- for example, both teams have an even number in the morning, but an odd number in the afternoon.

[LeftyhasRights]

Perhaps lunch time needs to be shortened with the amount of day light being a factor. Makes sense to shorten lunch time and not the amount of golf. That's why we are all here in the first place..to play some dg, compete, putt, drive, approach, huck, rip. (farts or discs) Lunch and social time should be secondary to the tc at hand.

Finish singles, go get yer food, unwrap that pbj from the foil that's keeping your luscious sandwich together, eat the funk thing, wash it it down with the beverage of your choice then gtF OUT THERE and play more golf.

CHARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGE!


Finish doubles, time to relax now.


Ut ohhh, we have a tie though. ..... .... we had a short lunch, there's still day light Play offs!! May the best (not the best stalling) team win.


Eat, drink and be social til the cows come home.

[Mike Dussault]

What is it with the stalling crap? Who does that Pat? Is that a tactic you have used and know the value of it? Please explain. I have never seen or heard of a team stalling to let darkness fall so they could win.

I agree that golf is at the forefront of the TC meetings, but match-ups need to be decided, and that is what takes more time than the lunch. You can't finish playing singles and just head out for your next round until you know who you are playing.

You better not stall the next time we meet. Now we all know your intentions PAT.

[Shawn Mullen]

Pat doesn't need to intentionally stall to slow things down. Dude is a human rain delay as it is

Set a number of holes prior to the match if time is an issue, not a set finishing time IMO. And bring a flash light

It does take around 4 hrs to play a round right now. As always in team challenge if both captains agree on a plan, you use that plan.

[Gary Cyr]

Unless I'm not understanding this discussion regarding setting a time limit for singles, I would once again beg that someone come to there senses and call a tie a tie for singles match play. Any other match play competition I've been in, gives a half point to each competitor for a tie. With daylight being an issue for team challenges during most of the time we play the TC Series, why do continue to throw caution to the wind potentially allowing a match to go an extra hour or longer. Sometimes the decision of the playoff match could be significant in a teams strategy in making doubles teams. This can prevents a captain from really getting his lineup together. The participants playing off don't get to eat lunch and everybody else gets to stand around for an extra hour waiting and getting stiff. The negatives far outweigh the positives when it comes to playing off singles matches. I just don't understand why we continue to allow this.

I realize that this discussion may not have been started due to long play due to conditions and not a long playoff match. If so now imagine have a 45 min playoff due to a tied match.

[Jeff Wiechowski]

Saturday's Sunrise was 7:11 AM
Sunset was 4:37 PM
Leaving 9 hours & 25 minutes to work with.........

B Pool TC started about 90 mins after sunrise @ 8:40.
The card I was playing on took just over FOUR HOURS to play a doubles round. I started eating lunch at 1:20, the last card didn't show up until probably 2:15.
That left just over 2 hours to eat lunch, draw match-ups and play another 18.

That amount of snow slows thing down drastically and the only thing that could possibly help is to start at like 730am. Having someone on each card go out and spot is not the answer. That takes a load of energy and is completely unfair to expect that person to be able to set-up and throw with "jello" legs from stomping around in 2-3' drifts. We picked up a non-playing spotter(Thanks Mark!!) like 4 holes in and even that didn't seem to speed our play up.

[Kristi_Bayer]

Steve, It was suggested for our tc against NASA.

It may have happened at Wick/Bland challenge although no one would admit to it.

CTKB, you have anything you want to share?

I'm stumped Pat....Are you accusing me? Kidding with me? Just want my oppinion cause, not only on the nefa board but in our friendship, you know I have plenty of them?...

I'm gonna leave it with this although got some thoughts from your posts....

Shawn Mullen for President!!!!! of the WORLD!!!!!!

[Titan Bariloni]

deuce more holes..hit more putts....! that usually makes things go faster

[Shawn Mullen]

Steve, It was suggested for our tc against NASA.

It may have happened at Wick/Bland challenge although no one would admit to it.

CTKB, you have anything you want to share?

I'm stumped Pat....Are you accusing me? Kidding with me? Just want my oppinion cause, not only on the nefa board but in our friendship, you know I have plenty of them?...

I'm gonna leave it with this although got some thoughts from your posts....

Shawn Mullen for President!!!!! of the WORLD!!!!!!

Way too much responsibility in that....the WHOLE world...jeez. Thanks tho.

[LeftyhasRights]

I wasn't even there, how can I call Kristi out on stalling? It's a joke. Worked pretty well too.

Sorry BLand for gettn yall riled up. Didn't think I would be taken seriously when I wasn't there to make a judgment.

Happy Winter everyone.

[Jeff Wiechowski]

deuce more holes..hit more putts....! that usually makes things go faster

Spoken by someone with "limited" experience in that capacity.........

[Troy Dietrich]

I experienced the opposite of stalling as time ran out....we had agreed to quit at 4:30 (instructed not to tee off on a new hole at 4:31). So at 4:30 we just hollered 'heads up' to the group in front of us and fired into 'em to get that last hole in. (They waved us on, so we didn't endanger them). Of course our group was also trying to settle a tie. If someone had a 1 stroke lead at that point, I can see the argument to call it rather than start another hole.

[Titan Bariloni]

deuce more holes..hit more putts....! that usually makes things go faster

Spoken by someone with "limited" experience in that capacity.........

I know..I usually just ace every hole..!

hey we can all have dreams

[Matt Stroika]

Unless I'm not understanding this discussion regarding setting a time limit for singles, I would once again beg that someone come to there senses and call a tie a tie for singles match play. Any other match play competition I've been in, gives a half point to each competitor for a tie. With daylight being an issue for team challenges during most of the time we play the TC Series, why do continue to throw caution to the wind potentially allowing a match to go an extra hour or longer. Sometimes the decision of the playoff match could be significant in a teams strategy in making doubles teams. This can prevents a captain from really getting his lineup together. The participants playing off don't get to eat lunch and everybody else gets to stand around for an extra hour waiting and getting stiff. The negatives far outweigh the positives when it comes to playing off singles watches. I just don't understand why we continue to allow this.

I realize that this discussion may not have been started due to long play due to conditions and not a long playoff match. If so now imagine have a 45 min playoff due to a tied match.

You know the answer Gary. It is the BS machoism thing. Who wants to tie? Someone must win. Hopefully the team challenge captains are able to overcome this childish nonsense and agree to a plan that makes the experience enjoyable for all of the competitors. I know my captain is looking out for me.

In 2-3 feet of snow, 12 holes of matchplay and up to 18 holes of doubles should be plenty of golf to decide the better player/team.

[Joe Yaskis]

I thought it was kind of ignorant to have 4 teams at a course on a single day with over 2 feet of snow and limited daylight.

What do I know.

As I recall a lot of people said it should have postponed or relocated.

Yes this is my .02

[Eric Kevorkian]

I thought it was kind of ignorant to have 4 teams at a course on a single day with over 2 feet of snow and limited daylight.

What do I know.

As I recall a lot of people said it should have postponed or relocated.

Yes this is my .02

Both captains of our challenge agreed that playing that day was the right thing to do...and that was AFTER we had played.

[Matt DeAngelis]

I thought it was kind of ignorant to have 4 teams at a course on a single day with over 2 feet of snow and limited daylight.

What do I know.

As I recall a lot of people said it should have postponed or relocated.

Yes this is my .02

Not sure what you know Joe...your .02 in this economy is worth .00.

I know both of our groups did not even see anyone from the other challenge on the course...not sure about other groups though.

[Kevin Gardner]

Same from our side unless you count the holes where a pin 4 holes away is near your tee.

[Eric Kevorkian]

The only time I saw a "B" pool group was when they were on Hole 10, and my group was on Hole 1.

9 hole gap = perfect

[Titan Bariloni]

Joe is on fire this week...

[Eric Kevorkian]

Joe is on fire this week...

Ya...I hear gonorrhea is a biatch!