Just a thought about TC

Kelly Conroy · Post by **Kelly Conroy** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:14 pm

Has anyone ever considered this as an option for the TC setup? What if we were to have one league again and in the process drastically reduce the winter traveling for all the teams? We can have 3 divisions:

Eastern MA/ME:
Nasa
Bennet
Burgess
Borderland
Woodland Valley
Borderland II

Western/Central MA:
Noho
Tully
Maple Hills
Buff
Dam Team
Crane (not a team yet, but pretty sure there will be)

CT/NY:
Wick
West Thompson
Tolland
Thorn
Captain L
Utopia

All regular season games would be interdivisional. Six teams in each division would mean no Bye's. Top 2 from each division meet in the final and compete for the title and $.

No more 3 hour trips for any teams during the regular season in the winter.

Tell me why this wouldn't work?

Mike Murphy · Post by **Mike Murphy** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:17 pm

B/c A poolers will complain about strength of schedule, which is a legitamite complaint.

John DeBois · Post by **John DeBois** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:17 pm

I like it.

It also allows for the 4 non-playoff teams in each division to meet locally (maybe on the finals date) to play for a consolation prize or something.

Matt DeAngelis · Post by **Matt DeAngelis** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:18 pm

Burgess or Borderland driving to ME is more than 3 hours.

Patrick Barnett · Post by **Patrick Barnett** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:19 pm

I think this has already been voted on and it didn't pass. I would love to see it change to this set up too but.. we need more voices for the regional set up.

Shawn Mullen · Post by **Shawn Mullen** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:20 pm

It's been talked about and shot down the last two seasons. I for one will always vote for a regional schedule if it's an option.

Sean Bednarz · Post by **Sean Bednarz** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:20 pm

Captain driving anywhere but Cranbury is 3 hours.

Kelly Conroy · Post by **Kelly Conroy** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:26 pm

Bednarz42 wrote:Captain driving anywhere but Cranbury is 3 hours.

Unfortunately not all teams would have as much convenience as the others, but I still think CL would prefer this rather than driving to Maine.

Todd think about this, please. It would be much easier for scheduling purposes also.

Kelly Conroy · Post by **Kelly Conroy** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:27 pm

Mike Murphy wrote:B/c A poolers will complain about strength of schedule, which is a legitamite complaint.

I am a B pooler Mike, and my team has never won any money, so what is the difference?

Mike Murphy · Post by **Mike Murphy** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:31 pm

What do you mean whats the difference? Difference for B poolers or A poolers?

Kelly Conroy · Post by **Kelly Conroy** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:39 pm

Mike Murphy wrote:What do you mean whats the difference? Difference for B poolers or A poolers?

Don't be difficult just to be difficult Mike. As it stands it wouldn't change much. If this set up were already in effect the finals would be:
Burgess
Bennett
MH
Tully
Wick
and either Utopia or CL

I am not seeing a big difference! I for one don't like traveling in the winter, and I will speak for the majority of the NE TC and say that neither do most. The best teams will have a chance at the money...just like now.

If there would be a complaint about strength of divisions, I will say what Solbo said last year, "Get better if you want to compete!"

Mike Murphy · Post by **Mike Murphy** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:46 pm

You're right. It'll be flawless.

[/beingdifficult]

Clayton Davidson · Post by **Clayton Davidson** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:03 pm

I like it. But how about 8 teams make finals like the current set up. Looking at the divisions it is clear that The East MA/ME division, and the CT/NY divisions are stronger than the West/Central Ma division.
East MA/ME would have 3 "a-pool" teams, 1 incumbent "a-pooler", and 1 former "a-pooler"(this year).
CT/NY would have 3 "a-pool" teams, and 1 former "a-pooler"(this year).
West/Central MA would have 1 incumbent "a-pooler".
It could still work if you take the top two in each division, and 1 wild card from the two stacked regions.

Kelly Conroy · Post by **Kelly Conroy** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:10 pm

Clayton Davidson wrote:I like it. But how about 8 teams make finals like the current set up. Looking at the divisions it is clear that The East MA/ME division, and the CT/NY divisions are stronger than the West/Central Ma division.
East MA/ME would have 3 "a-pool" teams, 1 incumbent "a-pooler", and 1 former "a-pooler"(this year).
CT/NY would have 3 "a-pool" teams, and 1 former "a-pooler"(this year).
West/Central MA would have 1 incumbent "a-pooler".
It could still work if you take the top two in each division, and 2 wild cards from the two stacked regions.

That would work too.

Another point is this. This would forever solve the disagreement on money going to one pool instead of another. This would end the argument.

It also might deflect any poaching of players from a B team to and A team.

It is a multi-functional solution to a lot of problems that people have with the current set up. Not that this set up is horrible, Todd is doing a great job. I want to make that clear! But there are enough teams to be able to do this now.

Todd Lapham · Post by **Todd Lapham** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:16 pm

Has anyone ever considered this as an option for the TC setup?

We thought of this and it was overwhelmingly voted against.

All regular season games would be interdivisional. Six teams in each division would mean no Bye's. Top 2 from each division meet in the final and compete for the title and $.

This is the first year there has been a bye, not to mention more teams are joining and some may drop, it's impossible to tell if there will be a bye or not as of now.

No more 3 hour trips for any teams during the regular season in the winter.

We'd have two 3+ hour trips and a 2.5 hour trip in our division. Maine is one of the farthest courses from Burgess.

I like the ideas, but there is plenty of time in the off season for this discussion so I'm not really going to get to involved in this until all the finals work is done.

Kelly Conroy · Post by **Kelly Conroy** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:18 pm

I like the ideas, but there is plenty of time in the off season for this discussion so I'm not really going to get to involved in this until all the finals work is done.

Fair enough. I look forward to partaking in the discussion. Thank you for not immediately dissmissing this idea.

Shaun LaForce · Post by **Shaun LaForce** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:47 pm

I like it.

There wasn't a ton of thought put into Regional vs A/B last year. The main reason I voted no change.

If someone came up with a good set up, I'd vote Regional.

Paul Sullivan · Post by **Paul Sullivan** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:38 pm

I agree with the lets not spend alot of time on this right now. However, what about each team captain polling their current players so that at finals or shortly thereafter at least you would have some rough numbers to start with.

Simple question to ask each team member "are you opposed to going to a regional setup?"

Would be surprised to see anything less than 60/40 for the switch...Even without discussing the details.

Steven Dakai · Post by **Steven Dakai** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:50 pm

The problem would be where to draw lines.

West t is 10 mins from Buff,20 to Maple but we "fit" better with Captain Lawrence
Maine is not in a region
Panthorn would be with Wick,Cran and Captain...good luck with that
Burgess will never see Noho
We would never get to play Bland again

Todd Lapham · Post by **Todd Lapham** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 6:32 pm

Paul Sullivan wrote:I agree with the lets not spend alot of time on this right now. However, what about each team captain polling their current players so that at finals or shortly thereafter at least you would have some rough numbers to start with.

Simple question to ask each team member "are you opposed to going to a regional setup?"

Would be surprised to see anything less than 60/40 for the switch...Even without discussing the details.

We did this all last year and it was 11-2-2 in favor of A/B Pool over regional and divisional.

Paul Sullivan · Post by **Paul Sullivan** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:46 pm

that was last year, I bet if/when you do it again it will be much much closer.wanna bet a beer ??

Titan Bariloni · Post by **Titan Bariloni** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 8:17 pm

I agree

Sean Curcio · Post by **Sean Curcio** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:46 pm

Shaun LaForce wrote:There wasn't a ton of thought or discussion put into Regional vs A/B last year. The main reason I voted no change.

If someone came up with a good set up, I'd vote Regional.

Todd Lapham wrote:
Paul Sullivan wrote: However, what about each team captain polling their current players so that at finals or shortly thereafter at least you would have some rough numbers to start with.

Simple question to ask each team member "are you opposed to going to a regional setup?"

Were captains given enough notice before voting to be able to poll team members last year?

We did this all last year and it was 11-2-2 in favor of A/B Pool over regional and divisional.

You may be surprised.

Kelly Conroy · Post by **Kelly Conroy** » Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:42 pm

Steven Dakai wrote:The problem would be where to draw lines.

West t is 10 mins from Buff,20 to Maple but we "fit" better with Captain Lawrence
Maine is not in a region
Panthorn would be with Wick,Cran and Captain...good luck with that
Burgess will never see Noho
We would never get to play Bland again

The divisions can be altered. I came up with them in 5 minutes, so geografically they can improve.
Maine is not in a region anyway and is currently a hike for any match. They are well aware of this already.
Thorn can take care of themselves. They are an improving team of big boys. We need'nt coddle them. 2 wins to our 1.
Burgess never sees Noho anyway. No difference there.
Make it to the finals and you will. Don't forget that teams can challenge other teams anytime. Matches just won't count.

I think if we all put our minds to it, we can come up with a great plan for regional (hell, we can even have 4 divisions if need be). A lot of people are automatically going to dismiss this. People don't take too well to change for the most part, but when we have an opportunity to make the league the best it can be, then why not at least try to discuss a plan.

Titan Bariloni · Post by **Titan Bariloni** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:53 am

kiki,

your smarter then ya LOOK... :shock:

all BS aside thanks for actually having a brain..your points are SPOT ON..!

Todd Lapham · Post by **Todd Lapham** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 8:56 am

We may be able to do a semi regional with the A and B pool repectively. It simply won't work if we do the whole league though.

Kelly Conroy · Post by **Kelly Conroy** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:11 am

Todd Lapham wrote:We may be able to do a semi regional with the A and B pool repectively. It simply won't work if we do the whole league though.

Kick back Todd, relax, and enjoy the show. I got your back. Let me at least try to come up with something. If you like it, great. If you don't, then I will continue to enjoy TC as is next year. There is a lot of time between now and next year. :wink:

Kelly Conroy · Post by **Kelly Conroy** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:12 am

Titan Bariloni wrote:kiki,

your smarter then ya LOOK...

all BS aside thanks for actually having a brain..your points are SPOT ON..!

Thanks Titan. :lol:

Todd Lapham · Post by **Todd Lapham** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:27 am

kiki wrote:
Todd Lapham wrote:We may be able to do a semi regional with the A and B pool repectively. It simply won't work if we do the whole league though.

Kick back Todd, relax, and enjoy the show. I got your back. Let me at least try to come up with something. If you like it, great. If you don't, then I will continue to enjoy TC as is next year. There is a lot of time between now and next year.

Sounds good. 8-)

Steve Solbo · Post by **Steve Solbo** » Tue Mar 29, 2011 9:38 am

I'd rather travel 2 hours for a one point loss than than travel to beat a team by 20.

Just sayin, this was the main sentiment from voting captains last year.

Maybe we set up the teams that don't want to travel in one division and the rest in another, travel will always be part of this league.

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