Whippet, Drone, Gator... Preffered Overstable Mids?

[Kevin Fanning]

Which is the NEFA-preferred overstable midrange? (let me know if I left any out)
I throw buzzes and rocs, but I need something that will cut harrrrrrrd for me. I throw fireirds off the tee a lot but there's certain upshots and drives that require "less club", but still need that piggish fade (No I will not throw an Innova Pig).
The Whippet is the fastest and most overstable on the flight chart but I've never actually thrown one, and I don't know how they throw once they're beat in. The drone looks to be a little slower and maybe a bit less stable than the whippet but I like discraft plastic and I'm thinking it might feel more practical in my hand. Then there is the Gator, which I have also never thrown. I imagine this is the Innova equivalent to Discraft's Drone ( Or vice versa but you get the point). Does Discraft make an equivalent to the Innova Whippet?

Just looking for some NEFA testimonials and a little more background on these discs before I go out and buy one... or two... or all 3 I wouldnt put it past me.

[Kenji Cline]

I used to throw a drone but I prefer the rim of a gator. I have a star gator in my bag. The gator is a little smaller in diameter and a litlle slower as compared to a drone never throw the whippet but i hear alot of players like it.

[Matt Buono]

ZONE.....they list it as a putters but i use it for alot of diff shots off the tee and aproaching

[Kevin Fanning]

Yea I thought of throwing the Zone in there, as I know a couple guys who love it. Seems to be a good choice when your playing on a dam in the wind. But I'm wondering how much slower the zone is and how much distance I'd be losing throwing one instead of a drone gator or whippet. Still an enticing choice, no doubt.

[Eric Kevorkian]

Yea I thought of throwing the Zone in there, as I know a couple guys who love it. Seems to be a good choice when your playing on a dam in the wind. But I'm wondering how much slower the zone is and how much distance I'd be losing throwing one instead of a drone gator or whippet. Still an enticing choice, no doubt.

I was gonna say the zone too. I think it's more overstable than a pig.

Not as fast as what you may be looking for though.

[Jeff Wiechowski]

A Whippet has been in my bag for the better part of 15 years.

[Matt Aubin]

ZONE.

it is long enough to drive with, don't let the putter name fool you. it's a mid. as far as overstable stuff goes, it's pretty easy to throw and power down on, very useful disc. For reference, my next overstable disc is a banshee, so the zone covers a lot of ground.

[Steve Solbo]

Hornet or Q Sent (San Marino) is what you are looking for. They both feel like a Roc, but have a nice dependable turn to them. When thrown with hyzer they'll get that piggish line you are looking for.

Gator is piggish, but I never liked the sharpness of the edge, nor how deep it is

Never thrown a whippet.

Drone is stupid stable. Hornet is inbetween a Wasp and Drone.

[Matt Stroika]

I used to throw a whippet. It is a driver, not a middy though. Very overstable new but it will beat in.

[Alan MacLean]

I've taken both the Pig AND Gator out of my bag for the Zone. I came across an ESP Zone last year and instantly fell in love with it. My Pro Pig was getting beat, and my DX Gator was really beat, so I had nothing to cut left. The Zone is $$$ for that.

It feels like a smaller rim Buzz (slim disc, flat as can be top plate), has the speed of a Gator (don't be fooled by the Putter label, it's has some speed), and is SO predictable.

This is my go-to for all sub 200' hyzer, and straight-to-left shots. I plan on coupling it with another Discraft middy (probably Hornet or Wasp) for shots around 200-250', but for what it's worth IMO, the Zone is a perfect disc for long left approaches.

[Brad Harris]

I love the Whippet, but I throw it more as a driver than a midrange. It has a permanent place in my bag. I only throw it sidearm (my backhand is still a work in progress), and it gives me great fade to the right every time. New ones thrown anhyzer will S out very nicely. I wish I could get it in Champ plastic though, DX beats up too quick.

I just started throwing the Drone and it flies very similarly to the Whippet, but has a very different feel. To me, the rim of the Whippet is more driver like while the Drone feels like a mid-range. I generally use the Drone for sidearm approach shots that are outside Pig range.

[Shawn Mullen]

Hornet or Q Sent (San Marino) is what you are looking for. They both feel like a Roc, but have a nice dependable turn to them. When thrown with hyzer they'll get that piggish line you are looking for.

Gator is piggish, but I never liked the sharpness of the edge, nor how deep it is

Never thrown a whippet.

Drone is stupid stable. Hornet is inbetween a Wasp and Drone.

Right on with this. If you already throw the buzzz the hornet goes perfectly with it. I carry the gator too but it's much shorter than the hornet. I can throw a putter farther than my gator.

[Jeff Wiechowski]

I love the Whippet, but I throw it more as a driver than a midrange. It has a permanent place in my bag. I only throw it sidearm (my backhand is still a work in progress), and it gives me great fade to the right every time. New ones thrown anhyzer will S out very nicely. I wish I could get it in Champ plastic though, DX beats up too quick.

I used to buy a new one every year until i found a Champ plastic one.........They pop up on eBay from time to time........ plan on spending $50.

[Shawn Mullen]

I love the Whippet, but I throw it more as a driver than a midrange. It has a permanent place in my bag. I only throw it sidearm (my backhand is still a work in progress), and it gives me great fade to the right every time. New ones thrown anhyzer will S out very nicely. I wish I could get it in Champ plastic though, DX beats up too quick.

Same issue I used to have. I used to buy a new one every year until i found a Champ plastic one.........They pop up on eBay from time to time........ plan on spending $50.

Champ whippets are in the cfr line, and so are the star ones. More like 15-20 bucks and pretty easy to find.

[Jeff Wiechowski]

Yea, i've seen the CFR ones............ this is what I have, although I've bought 2 and neither were described as the Whippet X. http://cgi.ebay.com/Prototype-Champion-Whippet-X-Golf-Disc-/250803108204?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a6507b96c

[Karl Molitoris]

Fine line between a fast middie and a slow fairway driver...

...but CFR Vipers rule (for over stableness), although are hard to find. Kind of like a slow Xtreme.

Karl

Ps: Or you could find a Ram !!

[Ryan Girard]

I have a couple whippet x if anyone is interested

[Patrick Barnett]

CFR Whippet is pretty fast but super ultra wicked dependable in the wind. The CFRs' will also stay stable a long time but that also depends how many trees, rocks, houses, people you hit with it. Not really a mid range driver I THINK they are considered a fairway driver? Correct me if I'm wrong. Good luck with your hunt for a piggy middy.

Innove Pro Pigs are sweet btw

[Kevin Fanning]

Damnit I knew this would happen. Now I have to try like ten different discs haha.
I see some pretty good arguments coming at me from every angle. I like what's been said about the Hornet and the Zone. The whippet was my first thought but if it's like a driver, beats in, and is better in really expensive plastic... well let's just say I don't need the hastle. However, I am open to throwing it if it is a better forehand disc than the drone, zone or hornet. I forgot to mention this in my first post but my inspiration for buying the overstable mid is my dyer need for a disc I can easily forehand approach with. I definitely still need plastic for those hard-cutting backhand shots inside 250, but I can't get a disc that will flip over easily if I put a little extra gas on my flick.

So, which of these is better for forehand approach? Zone, Drone, Hornet or Whippet?. The Gator is probably out because I don't think I will like the feel of the rim. Consider that I only flick Firebirds (flick them on hyzers only, unless I'm using them to get out of trouble).


BTW, how annoying is it when you spell a word wrong in the title of a thread.

[Eric Kevorkian]

You can try out one of my zones next time I see you.

[Karl Molitoris]

I like you thinking about 'forehand approaches'. Under utilized (in the sport) IMO. For the vast majority of people, considering there is significantly less spin put on a disc when thrown FH opposed to BH*, understand that unless the disc is VERY over stable you'll initially get some "S-curve" throwing them...which may NOT be what you want. Sooooo, I go with the most over stable one you can find that feels good (yes, "feel" is wicked important IMO regarding less-than-full-throttle throws).

Karl
* Hopefully no one argues this fact, as they'll get trounced...just live with it and accept it.

[Jeff Burrows]

I had this same dilemma a couple months ago. I was looking for an overstable mid to use for forehand approaches and backhand into headwinds. I figured anything close to the Gator/Drone/etc on the flight chart would all fly close to the same for these types of shots. So I went to Marshall Street and bought the one that felt the best in my hand. Turned out to be the Star Gator. For me the rim feels LESS sharp than the others (more blunt like a putter), but maybe it's just that my hand is different than other peoples. The Gator is now one of my favorite discs in my bag that I can also use for forehand roller approaches and overhand approaches if needed. My forehand is mediocre at best but this disc has helped me significantly over what I was using before.

Anyway, if it is possible for you, your best bet would probably be to go feel them all and see which one you like the feel of best. Fortunately for me I have Marshall Street 10 mins from home.

[David Gipson]

I have a couple whippet x if anyone is interested

What plastic?

I go with the whippet. It is a fairway driver but flies more like a mid. Super overstable. Not for everyone. If you get one get the glow champs that are out there or a star. I have had the same champ in my bag for 3 years now and it is still way overstable not even close to being broke in. I use it for skip shots,spike hyzers,hard angle shots. Flicks are great with this disc but you have to anny it out of the hand to get any D out of it.

[Mike Murphy]

Champion Gator

[Tom Fisher]

kev how many rounds do you and i play together yet you have never thrown my zone??? i offer for you to throw it all the time!

anyways. you know where i stand with it. I love the zone. now that it is warmer i will throw it on hole 11 ww at borderland. i would say that is pretty good d for that disc.

[David Hoey]

I like you thinking about 'forehand approaches'. Under utilized (in the sport) IMO. For the vast majority of people, considering there is significantly less spin put on a disc when thrown FH opposed to BH*, understand that unless the disc is VERY over stable you'll initially get some "S-curve" throwing them...which may NOT be what you want. Sooooo, I go with the most over stable one you can find that feels good (yes, "feel" is wicked important IMO regarding less-than-full-throttle throws).

Karl
* Hopefully no one argues this fact, as they'll get trounced...just live with it and accept it.

I would agree for mid/approach flicks.

I would disagree for driving off the tee.

I'm assuming you're referring to the former?

[Jon Gordon]

hornet all day

[Karl Molitoris]

David, you said...

I would agree for mid/approach flicks.
I would disagree for driving off the tee.
I'm assuming you're referring to the former?

I'm not sure what you're not sure of !

If you're saying that you disagree with my statement of '...FHs have less spin than BHs...' (mis-quoting myself, but you get the gist), be prepared to get wumped in such an argument.
If that's not the case, I'll take off the gloves .

Karl

[Keith Morin]

Zones are great. I always think of "pizzone", then I think of ninja turtles throwing pizzas, which is why you should throw zones as well. Ninja turtle power.

[Craig Cutler]

Innova Gator...it's like a mini firebird. The Gator does not have much glide so If you need more D, go with an overstable sentinal.