all divisions offered rule

[Titan Bariloni]

why can't an Event be held just for a certain nefa division(s)..? say a Pro field only(open,masters,ladies)...ladies only(pro,adv,inter,alt non points REC)..age protected(masters and legends event format) or heck even a rec fest

Td freedom...right...might give some real nice specialty events a chance to grow..if the point series was incorporated in an ever busy DG/Life/work world might help draw some people and help newer players ease into series...all kinds of benefits

I could see the downs...really don't think Td's would lock out divisions just to do that...just would be nice to host an event directed at a specific demographic of our membership...could always reword or amend Charter to allow for an approved specialty event..thus preventing a regular event to lock out a division

discuss

[Dave Jackson]

i likey idea.

[Karl Molitoris]

While one of the most important things is to give the TD 'freedom of choice' (queue the Devo record...), I initially see one problem with this idea IFFFFF you also wish to have NEFA-sanctioning / points / the points series running.

Scenario: You hold a "one-division" tournament (say only Pro Open). There ends up being a full field. The winner gets beau coup points for this win. And he's in a tight points race with someone else. Who would've beaten him if this tournament wasn't held this way.

Grumpy or not?!!?!?

Just a thought (not that it's not figureoutable, just that more think'in is needed)....

Karl

[John Tserpes]

This is a great idea that should be looked into with the growth of tournament golfers. The points shouldnt matter as it will work out to be the same as a normal tourney. there is more benefits than negatives with this idea.

Each state could have 1 pro event and 1 am event.
State Rep picks the Td for these events.
Our local pros could hold a clinic at the the AM events.
If it works for the PDGA then it could work for NEFA.
It could be done as a 1 year trial period.

Its time to spice up the points series with this idea. If we dont try then we will never know.

[Matt DeAngelis]

Its time to spice up the points series with this idea. If we dont try then we will never know.

yupyup.

[John Tserpes]

Here is an idea. You can have 2 tourneys that can be like midway through the season and are 2x events. Have a NEFA Open Championship which would also give AMs a good tourney to try the Open Division if they feel like it and it would be a good payout for the Open winner. Also have a NEFA Amatuer Championship. They can be the All-Star events for NEFA that people would want to go to every year. The board can pick the TDs through some type of bid process that they see fit.

[Karl Molitoris]

John,

You said

The points shouldnt matter as it will work out to be the same as a normal tourney.

A.
If you're referring to what I had stated - you're nuts.
If you win a division with 3 participants you earn maybe 100.03 points or something like that. If you win a division with 72 players in it you earn something like 107.20 (or some such). People have won / lost a year-long division race by a lot less than the 7 points (+/-) than in my scenario!

B.
If you're referring to something else - never mind.

Karl

[Josh Connell]

I don't think there ever should be exceptions to the "must offer all points divisions" rule for NEFA events. Karl brings up the biggest and, IMO, a very very good reason already. Another would be that no division should have more opportunities for players to gain points than any other. I.e. 45 events = 45 opportunities for each division, not 45 for one, 42 for another.

However, I think a loophole may already exist to allow for an event like Titan ran last weekend to be included in the NEFA Points Series. Tournaments separating into Am days and Pro days are apparently allowed. It wouldn't be a stretch to separate tournaments by age instead (or any other delineation one wants to use).

The catch of this loophole would obviously be that the TD (or club, however it works out) would have to run another event/day at the same course offering the divisions that weren't included in the first one. In the eyes of the series, this would simply be one combined event for that course for the season. So in Titan's case, he offered MPM, MPG, and MM1 at his event, so another event at Tully would have to be run offering MPO, MA1, MA2, MA3, FPO, FW1, and FW2 in order for the first to get NEFA Points status.

Many tournaments around the country are divided into an Am day and a Pro day (or Am and Pro weekends) for a given tournament in order to accommodate more people than a single Pro/Am event can. Many courses in New England are fast approaching a time where such a format will be necessary. Might as well start rolling with the times and build in some incentives for these kind of events.

Like, for example, a split-day format perhaps should be required of the 2X events in each state. OR, alternatively, simply do away with the one-per-state 2X events and offer 2X status to any split-field, split-day event in the series. 2X status gains more meaning, prestige and drawing power because the potential is there for some bigger fields on top of doubled points. Double points events should be earned rather than given anyway, IMO.

[Matt Stroika]

Nice post Josh. Especially the last paragraph. Its time to get with the times NEFA.

[Titan Bariloni]

I see your point Karl/Josh..any BTW great discussion here...this is what needs to be hashed out IMO for future growth and end complaints of lock outs


as posted in another area of board after this discussion started...its already unfair for people to have equal number of events..cuz no divison caps in 90% of events..it just bum rush to prereg...so the "equal" opp is landslided by the guy with time/$$$ access online...events already look lopsided

Pro Open need more events to qualify so why not allow for an extra pro only event

everyone complains about the points system IMO anyways... so maybe just cap the bonus qualifier say at 10 people..or why not just give the player the deep bonus..if he crushes 71 people..I would think that holds value anyways to determining the leader of the regular season

I would rather see a few courses a year be granted 2 events a year say 3 per state to start chosen by state reps and have them bid off like 2x events..they can promote 1 to nefa abroad and offer all nefa divisions..and use another one for one of the mentioned "certain division" events or maybe they really promote it to the locals and use it for a nefa membership drive and have a more relaxed feel say all RECS INT men/women smaller field who cares just a cool way to introduce NEFA point series with people not fighting for spots and the added pressure of the "pros around"...a "single/dubz event seems to be a growing format,glow event,age restricted,ect ect ect..IDK just seems to restrictive the way it is...

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maybe the 3 courses chosen all have a different purpose the course can only put in for 1 bid..unless other "purposed event" has no other entries..that will keep the mega gems from crushing it every year..and kinda class off courses bidding for the same event..i would think the more premier would all bid for the pro event second event so every year their would be course/td competition for the BID thus increasing course pride and improvements even more...and the up and coming courses/TDs would still have the other bids to not be crushed out by say maple hill,sugarbush,wick ect ect every year

for example
1.age protected
2.pro only/am
4.growth of sport event/other

will allow for another TD to have a nefa TD taste at course that might other wise have a long term TD..I know I would love to offer another nefa event event at Tully great compliment to Dave's Dam series event

also allows for the state reps to better speak with members/tds/course reps ***

rather then some "loop hole" that would not really truly allow 2 events by the theory of "having" to throw 1 event offering say pro and then the next event "having" to exclude the pro division and offer all others

[Titan Bariloni]

this would be cool...and help diversify the series again

[Matt DeAngelis]

Like, for example, a split-day format perhaps should be required of the 2X events in each state. OR, alternatively, simply do away with the one-per-state 2X events and offer 2X status to any split-field, split-day event in the series. 2X status gains more meaning, prestige and drawing power because the potential is there for some bigger fields on top of doubled points. Double points events should be earned rather than given anyway, IMO.

Yup. I wanted to change up the series this year, but didn't have enough time between taking the position and the start of the year. I will be pushing for changes to the series for next year, including tier events that we (NEFA) expect more from the TD/club running the show. Raise the bar and make things more competitive and exciting for the players.

[Titan Bariloni]

i dont know how it happened but 2x now only count for 2 points once in overall calculations and not for events played..to me the events played to draw players who can't do 5-6 events was huge in even keeping 2x events..more so then the points as it was inclusive

[Danny White]

i dont know how it happened but 2x now only count for 2 points once in overall calculations and not for events played..to me the events played to draw players who can't do 5-6 events was huge in even keeping 2x events..more so then the points as it was inclusive

I set-up the spreadsheet based off of the wording of the charter:

Double Points Events
Each state can have one Double Points event each year.
Each NEFA State Representative will select his/her state’s Double Points event, and must
submit this to the NEFA Schedule Coordinator by January 1.
Each state’s Double Points event cannot be held at the same course two years in a row.
Double Points are calculated in the Points Series Standings as two Points events, but no
longer count as two Points events attended.

I agree with double points events only counting ONE event played. At year's end, there will have been 39 separate NEFA Events to pick and choose from. Some players have played over 20 events!

[Josh Connell]

It's a change that happened a few years ago. The point of having 2X events was never to give players a shortcut to making their minimum # of events. It was to increase the value of particular events...players that play well at 2X get doubly rewarded. That double events ever counted as two events attended was mostly a limitation of the system used to calculate the points at the time. Once that system was scrapped, the unintended effect was corrected.

Like Danny points out, there are plenty of events to choose from. Shortcuts to playing a minimum number of events aren't necessary...after all, the biggest minimum is still just ~15% of the total events available.