2011/12 Rules/Guidelines

[Todd Lapham]

New England Team Challenge Rules/Guidelines

• Roster size of 16 (15 Men, 1 Woman)
- Optional 4 alternate spots (can be plugged in if low numbers, without counting as a roster move.)

• Players must play in 3 challenges to qualify for finals. A Pool and all results will be tracked by Todd Lapham. B Pool will be tracked by Steve Dakai. Please inform them of who played and/or won a challenge.

• A player can only play for 1 team, regardless of which pool they’re in.

• Womans spot is an open door, any woman is eligible to play in a challenge as long as she’s not on another teams roster.

• Changes in roster can be made for any reasonable reason (moving, injury, jail, quitting etc.)
- New players still have to play 3 challenges.

• Max 2 roster move per season.

• Minimum number of players for a challenge is 8.

• Home teams provide lunch/beverages for away teams.

• Captains can agree to whatever they want, however this is the default format:
-Match Play singles and Best Disc Stroke Play Doubles.

• Tie breaker policy is up to the captains, but if they can’t agree on a format the default is:
-Sudden death best disc doubles.

• The bottom two teams in the A Pool after the regular season get relegated to the B Pool next year.

• The top two teams in the B Pool move up to the A Pool next year.

• Team dues are $200 for the A Pool (100% to Payout) and $100 for the B Pool (100% for CTPs and Finals necessities).

Finals Info

• Top 4 teams in the A Pool will play a Bracket Style matchplay format.
-Seed #1 vs #4
-Seed #2 vs #3

• Bottom 4 teams in the A Pool will play a Bracket Style matchplay format.
-Seed #5 vs #8
-Seed #6 vs #7


• Top 4 in the A Pool will play at:
• Bottom 4 in the A Pool will play at:

• Top 6 teams in the B Pool (6 best records) will play at:
• Bottom 6 teams in the B Pool will play at:

• Format is:

-Singles stroke play. Top 10 scores count.
-Doubles stroke play. Top 5 doubles scores count, double weighed.

[Eric Kevorkian]

So a roster move only counts if you're replacing anyone of the 16 current team members or one of the 4 alternates?

[Todd Lapham]

Correct.

[Eric Kevorkian]

Thanks Tom

[Scott Howard]

If both teams show up with 17+ players, does everyone compete, or is it limited to 16 on 16?

[Matt DeAngelis]

If both teams show up with 17+ players, does everyone compete, or is it limited to 16 on 16?

limited to 16 v 16

[Mike Dussault]

I would think captains can do it however they want...

[Charlie Holmgren]

I agree with Mullen that the minimum requirement should be higher than 8. Especially now that there are essentially 20 players on a team. Bump it up to atleast 10.

Captain L has shown up to AWAY matches and had to sit a few people before. And that blows!

Fix it. No matches have begun. its fine.

And Todd...you rule.

[Eric Kevorkian]

What Charlie said.

[Dave Hickson]

What Eric said.

[John DeBois]

What Eric said.

agreed

[Matt Stroika]

Why cant the two captains just figure out how many they will have and relay that information to the other captain? That way the away team can come with the appropriate number. The more rules you make, the less fun. Change it if teams are abusing it to gain an advantage.

[Dave Hickson]

Why cant the two captains just figure out how many they will have and relay that information to the other captain? That way the away team can come with the appropriate number. The more rules you make, the less fun. Change it if teams are abusing it to gain an advantage.

It's not like were changing the format of TC. The league is growing and we need to grow with it. IMHO.

more people = more fun

[Eric Kevorkian]

Why cant the two captains just figure out how many they will have and relay that information to the other captain? That way the away team can come with the appropriate number. The more rules you make, the less fun. Change it if teams are abusing it to gain an advantage.

The problem with that is that majority of the time (at least from my experiences) is that everyone always wants to play. Factor in the fact that people have to qualify for finals as well, so a team may be forced to bring more players than another team, and sit someone for singles or doubles. With increased rosters, juggling who qualifies for finals may get a little tougher.

[Matt Stroika]

Why cant the two captains just figure out how many they will have and relay that information to the other captain? That way the away team can come with the appropriate number. The more rules you make, the less fun. Change it if teams are abusing it to gain an advantage.

The problem with that is that majority of the time (at least from my experiences) is that everyone always wants to play. Factor in the fact that people have to qualify for finals as well, so a team may be forced to bring more players than another team, and sit someone for singles or doubles. With increased rosters, juggling who qualifies for finals may get a little tougher.

Who plays and who sits and qualification of players is up to the captain to figure out.

More people= more fun? I disagree. More people = more headaches for the captain and also make it more difficult logistically. 20 v. 20 is basically a tournament. Where do you park all the cars required to get 40 people to a course? Many courses have limited parking in the winter due to snow removal.

When are parks going to start asking for permits to hold these events? Are we going to start closing courses to hold these events? Will we need insurance?

How do you encourage new teams to form if they need to come up with 20 people.

I hate the 20 person roster.

I would be interested to hear the reasons why some teams are dropping.

[Charlie Holmgren]

ewe.

There will never be 20 at a challenge.

Its still the same thing. Maximum of 16 vs. 16

Whats so bad about updating rules to make things better? Change is good.

[Pete Violet]

16 vs 16 "playing" with 4 alternates that can sub in works for me for the same reasons Stroika listed.

It doesn't mean extras can't still play on their own, or caddy, or prepare food, or support their teammates.

[Matt Stroika]

I would rather see more 'inclusion' by having new teams formed rather than teams expanding and picking up the talent. If you think about it, it is now very difficult for a new team to start and have even mediocre talent top to bottom unless the teams are coming from areas not formerly covered by the original MA based team challenge.

[Dave Hickson]

There are 4 new teams in the b pool this year. The way things are the a pool is not set up to grow but to host the best of the best.

[Pete Violet]

This is true we have expanded this year with the size of the teams and the number of teams.

[Nicky King]

Can there be some sort of penalty for not having a girl on the team? I don't appreciate being asked to drive to noho and being told to be a sacrifice by the opposing captain. I'm not on a team because I have nothing better to do with my life. I do it because I like being able to contribute to my team by playing against another woman in a fair match. All the penalty strokes and handicaps in the world can't make up for it. Especially in an away match. I'm not asking for the world. Just a little fairness. If you guys truly want women on the teams then make it competitive. I'm afraid that if you don't institute some sort of penalty then there will be no incentive for those captains not on board to find a woman to be on their team. Thoughts?
Perhaps there should be female representation on the captain's thread?

[Wendy Boutin]

Can there be some sort of penalty for not having a girl on the team? I don't appreciate being asked to drive to noho and being told to be a sacrifice by the opposing captain. I'm not on a team because I have nothing better to do with my life. I do it because I like being able to contribute to my team by playing against another woman in a fair match. All the penalty strokes and handicaps in the world can't make up for it. Especially in an away match. I'm not asking for the world. Just a little fairness. If you guys truly want women on the teams then make it competitive. I'm afraid that if you don't institute some sort of penalty then there will be no incentive for those captains not on board to find a woman to be on their team. Thoughts?
Perhaps there should be female representation on the captain's thread?

Shame on them! I support your perspective and vote for you to represent us. I feel fortunate that I haven't experienced such low-balling.

[Steven Dakai]

Great idea! Please add nicky as a west t rep for the cpt thread.

[Shawn Mullen]

I thought it was already mando to have a woman on the team?? Matching up of the ladies should all be up to the captains though. The ladies should be included and treated as part of the team like any other player. I think it's tough to penalize for not bringing a woman to a match though, that puts a lot of pressure on one person to make every match and adds to the already difficult task of scheduling with the other team.

[Matt Aubin]

There are 20 teams in TC this year.

There are maaayyybe 15 active women disc golfers in the NEFA points series this year, all divisions. Some of those are actually leaving New England. Sure, NEFA points isn't the end-all of who's available, but it's a good guess that if you have the desire to play team disc golf in the dead of winter, you're probably a NEFA member and play tourneys. And, even if you did compete this year, maybe you don't want to play team challenge.

How can you make an entire division mandatory when the players just don't exist? Yes I feel bad when a team has a woman player and they either have to sit or play a man, but surely we can work something out.

[Matt Stroika]

I thought it was already mando to have a woman on the team?? Matching up of the ladies should all be up to the captains though. The ladies should be included and treated as part of the team like any other player. I think it's tough to penalize for not bringing a woman to a match though, that puts a lot of pressure on one person to make every match and adds to the already difficult task of scheduling with the other team.

I agree with Shawn but I do not think that this is the direction the league is going. The solution is to carry 2 women on your team. One should be able to make it. The ultimate penalty would be the team that HAS a woman gets to pick a player on the other team to sit each round. I dont like giving the team that has a woman free points. That seems silly.

[Drew Smith]

The ultimate penalty would be the team that HAS a woman gets to pick a player on the other team to sit each round.

That's awesome. It's quite the incentive. I'd modify that to be that the same player can't be picked for both rounds. It would really suck to have to show up ready to play and have to sit both rounds - too much penalty there, I think.

[Matt Aubin]

There are 20 teams in TC this year.

There are maaayyybe 15 active women disc golfers in the NEFA points series this year, all divisions. Some of those are actually leaving New England. Sure, NEFA points isn't the end-all of who's available, but it's a good guess that if you have the desire to play team disc golf in the dead of winter, you're probably a NEFA member and play tourneys. And, even if you did compete this year, maybe you don't want to play team challenge.

How can you make an entire division mandatory when the players just don't exist? Yes I feel bad when a team has a woman player and they either have to sit or play a man, but surely we can work something out.

No one feels like commenting on the painful, obvious truth? Just because YOUR team is one of the lucky ones to have a woman player, it's cool with you, screw fairness?

[Mike Zorovich]

so...if a AM player beats a PRO player does the team get 2 points?

[Pete Charron]

@Aubin..

This was a contentious issue in the captains thread as well. There was no consensus reached, someone was inevitably going to be unhappy.

How I personally feel about it? There are interested women players out there. You can have numbers represent anything you want (although I absolutely agree with the logic behind yours). Some teams will encounter the situation of having a MUCH harder time finding a woman to play over the winter than others. That's just the reality. Tough break.

I have two women on my roster and between them they've played one tournament. The ACT. Neither are NEFA or PDGA members obviously. There's a million newbies in this sport man, and a million more interested in becoming a newbie. It takes a little socializing but if your whole 15 man roster can't work some networking to find one gal to play then........ I mean honestly... I cannot believe that's true. Just can't.

It's unfair that some teams need to work harder than others to find a woman to play. They're out there though, and if you don't put in the extra work.. This year you're going to pay a penalty.

Just the way its structured.