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Throwing Mid-Ranges
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 5:18 pm
by Anthony Dembinski
I'm getting pretty good and consistent with my drives, so now it is time to work on my mid range shows. I feel like I am not throwing mid-ranges tot he best of their ability and still have that drive technique sneaking in.
Anyone have any videos or pictures or tips they can share?
Re: Throwing Mid-Ranges
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 9:26 pm
by Matt Aubin
Not sure what you mean, besides maybe using a fan grip vs. a power grip. Throwing a mid shouldn't be any different than throwing a driver or even a putter full power, they just don't go as far.
I wouldn't change anything as far as learning to throw mids. Just get out in a field and let them rip, and compare them distance wise to your drivers and putters. If there's a big difference (or no difference) between putter/mid or mid/fairway driver, you need to work on your throwing form a bit to get things evenly spread.
What exactly is the problem with throwing mids, compared to your drivers?
Re: Throwing Mid-Ranges
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:00 pm
by Craig Smolin
Anthony - IMO one of the keys to learning to throw mids is slowing down your run-up into more of a walk-up. Focus more on your hip turn and your late arm acceleration rather than trying to generate a lot of leg speed with a fast run-up ...
I'm a big fan of Discraft's ESP Meteor ... it's a mid-sized diameter mid-range with a ton of glide and is super controllable. Low power throws and it's pretty stable. High power throws and it will get understable to flippy as sh!t. If you like it, add the Buzzz and/or Wasp - which both feel pretty similar and can handle high power and wind conditions ...
Re: Throwing Mid-Ranges
Posted: Sun Jan 08, 2012 10:07 pm
by Keith Hughes
I throw a buzz and throw it as hard as my drivers but different thing is it goes straighter not farther
Re: Throwing Mid-Ranges
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 10:34 am
by John DeBois
Matt Aubin wrote:besides maybe using a fan grip vs. a power grip .. Throwing a mid shouldn't be any different than throwing a driver
agreed
Re: Throwing Mid-Ranges
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:35 am
by Anthony Dembinski
Well when I throw midrange I use a power grip with my index finger on the wing. Is a fan grip better?
Maybe I am doing things right but just need practice. I just thought i had to be doing something wrong to be so inconsistent with mids when my drives have become consistent.
Re: Throwing Mid-Ranges
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:38 am
by Anthony Dembinski
Do you let the disc rip out of your hands like a drive or do you give it a smooth release?
Re: Throwing Mid-Ranges
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:33 pm
by Matt Aubin
Anthony Dembinski wrote:Do you let the disc rip out of your hands like a drive or do you give it a smooth release?
Rip out, always. If you 'let go' of a shot, it should be an approach with a putter or some sort of trick shot, a short approach touch shot. Everything else should be full (80 to 90 percent) power.
That might be your problem with mids; you might not realize how far a well-thrown full power putter can actually go, so you're 'choking down' on your mids to cover that distance range. Most players, after a few years of playing, will have very little difference between putter-mid-fairway driver, maybe 15-20% between each. Trying to get the mids to go down to a lower distance could lead to inconsistent results.
You also mention your index finger on the wing; while some players can do this and have good results, you'll find the majority of people keep their index finger under the wing, out of the way. For me anyway, it gives Max distance and better accuracy.
Re: Throwing Mid-Ranges
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:30 pm
by Shawn Mullen
Bring only your mids and putters to a field. Throw all of your shots with each one of the discs. Hyzer, Anhyzer, straight, flex shots etc.... find out what works best for you. This will also really help you get to know your discs and how each one will react in different situations.
It really is much easier to hit a line with a mid range or a putter than a driver. And they are also more forgiving if you screw up. One of the best feelings out there is when you outdrive your friends high speed driver with your roc/buzzz etc... Or he hits that tree and sprays 50 feet off the fairway and your disc is right in the middle.
practice practice practice
Re: Throwing Mid-Ranges
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:38 pm
by Anthony Dembinski
Oh man. So much to think about again.
So your midrange shots (what like 200ft) are similar to the drives off the tee but with a slower step up? Long reach back and rip it like a lawnmower?
I really need to get a round in with people who have more experience then me. Ive basically self taught via tips online lol
Re: Throwing Mid-Ranges
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:54 pm
by Abel Rodrigues
Re: Throwing Mid-Ranges
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:03 pm
by Tim Carter
Anthony Dembinski wrote:Oh man. So much to think about again.
So your midrange shots (what like 200ft) are similar to the drives off the tee but with a slower step up? Long reach back and rip it like a lawnmower?
I really need to get a round in with people who have more experience then me. Ive basically self taught via tips online lol
Tony, come play leagues: west t. on Saturday or Sunday, "masters" (travelling) league, buff once the weather turns, etc. This is the best way to play with good peeps, and that is the best way to get better. Yeah you may be "donating" the buy in to better players, but it is a cheap price for a two hour "lesson" from one or two good players. And its always fun!
Re: Throwing Mid-Ranges
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:20 pm
by Anthony Dembinski
Tim Carter wrote:Anthony Dembinski wrote:Oh man. So much to think about again.
So your midrange shots (what like 200ft) are similar to the drives off the tee but with a slower step up? Long reach back and rip it like a lawnmower?
I really need to get a round in with people who have more experience then me. Ive basically self taught via tips online lol
Tony, come play leagues: west t. on Saturday or Sunday, "masters" (travelling) league, buff once the weather turns, etc. This is the best way to play with good peeps, and that is the best way to get better. Yeah you may be "donating" the buy in to better players, but it is a cheap price for a two hour "lesson" from one or two good players. And its always fun!
I plan to join the leagues around here this year (starting asap really. i was really waiting to be more confident in myself and my game to start). Do you need to be a NEFA member for some of them?
I need to either get a friend to come with me or meet one of you there so i dont feel so alone lol.
Re: Throwing Mid-Ranges
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 6:34 pm
by Anthony Dembinski
I have a good selection I like right now but ill try one something. For mids i have
wolf
180 black kc pro roc
180 orange kc pro roc
2 champ cobras
hornet
and for backups if i lose my rocs i have a buzz and buzz ss currently.
Re: Throwing Mid-Ranges
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:09 pm
by Todd Lapham
I'd suggest taking drivers out of your bag for a couple of rounds/field sessions. You mentioned earlier that you think midrange distance is 200ft, that's still putter distance for most people.
I'd guess your form flaws are being masked by the overstablity of drivers. There's no reason you can't smash a midrange like a driver and have it go dead straight for 350ft+. I'm not saying that's always the best shot, but it's certainly possible.
Once you fix your form where putters and mids are going far and straight (~300ft), that will translate into much better results with a driver.
I'd say besides putting, utilizing the consistency of midranges is the biggest part of the game.
Re: Throwing Mid-Ranges
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 8:38 pm
by Anthony Dembinski
Todd Lapham wrote:I'd suggest taking drivers out of your bag for a couple of rounds/field sessions. You mentioned earlier that you think midrange distance is 200ft, that's still putter distance for most people.
I'd guess your form flaws are being masked by the overstablity of drivers. There's no reason you can't smash a midrange like a driver and have it go dead straight for 350ft+. I'm not saying that's always the best shot, but it's certainly possible.
Once you fix your form where putters and mids are going far and straight (~300ft), that will translate into much better results with a driver.
I'd say besides putting, utilizing the consistency of midranges is the biggest part of the game.
I will try a midrange round next time.
Re: Throwing Mid-Ranges
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 6:32 am
by Craig Smolin
I'd also suggest going with either the rocs OR the cobras to start ... You'll find a higher degree of consistency utilizing one or two mid-range molds initially rather than 3 or 4 ...
But ... carrying 3-5 different Rocs or Cobras in different plastics and level of wear-n-tear will help you shape your mid-range shots more quickly. You should be able to throw a Roc on just about any line. A great piece of advice is to buy a few DX Rocs and play single disc rounds (well one disc and one putter). That base level plastic disc will get nicely worn in by the end of those rounds and will be flying fairly straight and true. Then bring in a new one that is still stable to overstable.
Then ... if you feel like your discs aren't allowing you to throw a specific type of shot, or you feel like you're overpowering them, or they can't handle high winds, find the right disc to fill that slot.
Todd's right though, putters and mid-ranges can and should be thrown for as many shots as possible up to nearly 400'. You'll find yourself on the fairway more often.
Re: Throwing Mid-Ranges
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:48 am
by Anthony Dembinski
Craig Smolin wrote:I'd also suggest going with either the rocs OR the cobras to start ... You'll find a higher degree of consistency utilizing one or two mid-range molds initially rather than 3 or 4 ...
But ... carrying 3-5 different Rocs or Cobras in different plastics and level of wear-n-tear will help you shape your mid-range shots more quickly. You should be able to throw a Roc on just about any line. A great piece of advice is to buy a few DX Rocs and play single disc rounds (well one disc and one putter). That base level plastic disc will get nicely worn in by the end of those rounds and will be flying fairly straight and true. Then bring in a new one that is still stable to overstable.
Then ... if you feel like your discs aren't allowing you to throw a specific type of shot, or you feel like you're overpowering them, or they can't handle high winds, find the right disc to fill that slot.
Todd's right though, putters and mid-ranges can and should be thrown for as many shots as possible up to nearly 400'. You'll find yourself on the fairway more often.
I have the Hornet and the Wolf for specific shots and they stay in the bag 99.9% of the time. My 2 rocs and 2 Cobras are my main ones I use. One of the rocs is being left alone while i beat in the other. Same with the Cobras. Pretty much the roc is the go to one and the cobra I got just to play with but loved it alot so i grabbed a 2nd.
Re: Throwing Mid-Ranges
Posted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:32 pm
by Dennis Parslow
Todd Lapham wrote:I'd suggest taking drivers out of your bag for a couple of rounds/field sessions. You mentioned earlier that you think midrange distance is 200ft, that's still putter distance for most people.
I'd guess your form flaws are being masked by the overstablity of drivers. There's no reason you can't smash a midrange like a driver and have it go dead straight for 350ft+. I'm not saying that's always the best shot, but it's certainly possible.
Once you fix your form where putters and mids are going far and straight (~300ft), that will translate into much better results with a driver.
I'd say besides putting, utilizing the consistency of midranges is the biggest part of the game.
A lot of good suggestions out there; throwing similar arm speed to drivers, walking up, etc. This right here is money though. When I teach someone, or when I screw up my game every winter and need to get it back in the spring, I REFUSE to throw a roc until my putters are money, then I take out the Rocs again, and work up the same way to Tee-birds, then drivers. Then, it's amazing but I hardly feel like Wraiths take much effort at all after the Aviars, Rocs, and Tee-birds are flying with control. If I can't throw straight and accurate putters the rest of the discs are not going to magically go where I want them to.
One fun way I created to practice this is called "up and down". SO creative. I know. Take 5 putters and pick out spots 125-200' away of all types. Try to get them all in 2 shots. Calculate your percentage. Watch it go up. Watch your scores go down. Tell someone else the secret of scoring better.
Re: Throwing Mid-Ranges
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:01 am
by Gary Cyr
Dennis Parslow wrote: Tell someone else the secret of scoring better.
A pencil with an eraser
Re: Throwing Mid-Ranges
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:17 pm
by Drew Smith
Move your thumb in towards the middle will help, too.
Re: Throwing Mid-Ranges
Posted: Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:20 pm
by Dave Jackson
Drew Smith wrote:Move your thumb in towards the middle will help, too.
Bingo!!!!
Re: Throwing Mid-Ranges
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2013 1:36 am
by Jeff Oliveira
everyone speaks of throwing putters so far but my damn RFF wizard and organic wiz's don't fly very far
..but i did attempt the advice of a mid/putter round only and holy cow my consistency and confidence in my mids is sky high now!
Re: Throwing Mid-Ranges
Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:28 am
by Eric Kevorkian
Jeff Oliveira wrote:everyone speaks of throwing putters so far
but my damn RFF wizard and organic wiz's don't fly very far ..but i did attempt the advice of a mid/putter round only and holy cow my consistency and confidence in my mids is sky high now!
Try throwing a yeti aviar. I putt with Wizards don't like to throw them. If I throw a putter, it's an Aviar (Yeti or Black KC pro)
Re: Throwing Mid-Ranges
Posted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 5:55 pm
by Jeff Oliveira
ill give one a try,
guess a trip to disc hut or msd is in order.
Re: Throwing Mid-Ranges
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 4:53 pm
by Thomas Bentley
Try throwing Gateway Magics. They are super
Re: Throwing Mid-Ranges
Posted: Mon Jul 08, 2013 8:38 pm
by Jaxon Sheehy
Eric Kevorkian wrote:Jeff Oliveira wrote:everyone speaks of throwing putters so far
but my damn RFF wizard and organic wiz's don't fly very far ..but i did attempt the advice of a mid/putter round only and holy cow my consistency and confidence in my mids is sky high now!
Try throwing a yeti aviar. I putt with Wizards don't like to throw them. If I throw a putter, it's an Aviar (Yeti or Black KC pro)
i'm addicted to throwing wizards now after a practice session just hucking them on the same line over and over... but i wouldn't throw a RFF wizard- that's like throwing a wet noodle IMO. for me it was just going full X-step with a power grip and ripping the disc with confidence. it always makes my middies more apt to hit their lanes when i'm constantly throwing putters for practice- but stiffer putters for throwing is a good idea.
Re: Throwing Mid-Ranges
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 12:46 pm
by Christian Collins
i love my XD putter
right left whatever, its more controllable than a buzzz around 200 ft and skips less
it was the first putter suggested to me and now i cant use anything else!
Re: Throwing Mid-Ranges
Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:54 pm
by Jeff Wiechowski
Christian Collins wrote:i love my XD putter
right left whatever, its more controllable than a buzzz around 200 ft and skips less
it was the first putter suggested to me and now i cant use anything else!
Love it too!!! I have an R-Pro and a Champ in the bag.
Re: Throwing Mid-Ranges
Posted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 11:44 pm
by Titan_Bariloni
don't know why I stopped throwing one myself XD