Grace period for players to become nefa member and points

[Titan Bariloni]

I hear often after/during a Nefa event from non nefa members....

when asked this or sometimes they just say it on their own

Are you gonna sign up for nefa or are you a member?

"Naw..I would but I didn't know about the series or what it really was"(after hearing from there cards mates how cool it is)

"I woulda but I can only play like maybe 3 more events anyways I am busy and I already played this one and it does not count...so maybe next year"...ok some do..some don't

could we maybe explore the thought of this

allowing never before nefa members a chance to sign up for nefa and receive points after the event..or maybe before they play another event..IDK exact logistics

who knows maybe they take winnings from event and sign up..if we had a nefa store nefa bucks could be used for renewals to these never before members maybe(I know way out there on that one...a man can dream)

I mean is the object of nefa or the series to gain more members or to have iron clad rules(that bend anyways all the time) to be so stiff on this rule..is the perception of someone winning who was not a member and then later getting points that big of a deal..?

if nefa charged every player at event a buck..everyone paid the same anyways would it matter..or do they anyways..?(if they don't that should change soon IMO)

well just a way for the point series to help gain even more members instead of the peeps who fall through the crack for lack of a better phrase..

just thoughts

discuss if you so desire

[Kyle Moriarty]

I like the NEFA bucks idea. It would be sweet if you could use your NEFA bucks you win at tournies to sign up for other tourneis online through the new online sign ups.

[Chris Young]

We just put a rule into place for our Green Mtn Points Series....We want to encourage new membership, but dont want people to camp out and see if they do well or not before they become a member. So, if you become a member at any point you can receive points from your last 2 events. This way new players can check out an event or 2 and see if it would be something they would like to be a part of. Its the "Last 2 Rule" and went into effect this year.

[Titan Bariloni]

it is a great rule..and yes encourages new sign ups

matt? discuss

[Matt DeAngelis]

Seems like it could work. However, it will put extra work on the backend for those players to get the points. Guy plays a few events and then becomes a nefa member. He signs up online to join. Now, once the nefa number is assigned, that needs to get communicated to someone so that the past nefa points events get updated with the players number. Puts an added responsibility on a volunteer, but if it brings in more members, its worth the effort.

[Titan Bariloni]

could nefa assign numbers to people who are not members kinda like pdga...just to log them..or does nefa keep the names of non members in a database as well already?

[Jeff Wiechowski]

..or does nefa keep the names of non members in a database as well already?

The names are included in the torunament results but not listed separately.

[Kevin Cole]

"Naw..I would but I didn't know about the series or what it really was"(after hearing from there cards mates how cool it is)

allowing never before nefa members a chance to sign up for nefa and receive points after the event..or maybe before they play another event..IDK exact logistics

I am in this exact situation. I only started playing tournaments a little over a month ago. I saw the NEFA points series, but it was late in the year, and I said, "There is NO WAY I make it to 6 events, let alone have enough points to do well." I decided to pass on the NEFA membership, save myself the $25, and just do it next year. And just to be clear, $25 isn't a lot of money, it's totally reasonable. I just viewed it (at the time) as being a waste because I didn't see what I would be getting.

Well, I got hooked. Lincoln Peak Open, Top O' The Hill, Barre Falls, and NH States/Hunt's Mean. I finished 3rd, 7th ,6th, and 1st (first tournament win!) all in AM2. These rounds would have scored 80, 66.67 (2x), 76.19, and 102 points respectively, which puts me at about 6th in the AM2 standings if I were a member, with a valid scoring spot left. I am already registered for Borderlands Fall Finale, and will possibly play Battle of Saratoga, so there are still opportunities to score more for me.

If there were ANY way to pay the membership fee, join, and get points for these past events I would certainly do it. I would be thrilled to go to the NEFA finals this year for AM2, since next year I'll probably move up to AM1. I certainly have no expectations that this will happen though. Unless someone wants to correct me, I believe these points are lost, and I'll have nothing to do on Oct 13-14.

NEFA will have me as a member next year, I'm sad I didn't do it this year.

[Titan Bariloni]

NEFA will have me as a member next year, I'm sad I didn't do it this year.

finally written testimony..

if the point series is to be the driving force to gain membership..then flexibility for it to do so is smart

join up now and play Nefa Dubz this Fall and winter Kevin

[Josh Connell]

Little known and little publicized thing about NEFA membership...if you join late in the year, you don't pay full membership price. Right from the NEFA Membership Form, downloadable from the NEFA website, it says that if you join after June 30, it's only $15 for the rest of the year. And if you join after August 31, it's only $10. So in Kevin's case above, if he'd joined prior to his first event, it would have cost him $15, not $25. And then he'd have gotten the benefit of earning points in all those tournaments.

The purpose of requiring membership prior to the start of play is so you don't get the benefit of hindsight when deciding whether or not to compete in the series. Either you jump in not knowing how well you might do, or you don't jump in. It's kinda like playing a tournament. You don't get to play along and then decide after the first round or in the middle of the second round, "hey, this is going well, I think I'll pay my entry fee now so I can win something at the end of the day". You pay up front and take the gamble in a tournament...same with the series.

[Mike Laterreur]

Little known and little publicized thing about NEFA membership...if you join late in the year, you don't pay full membership price. Right from the NEFA Membership Form, downloadable from the NEFA website, it says that if you join after June 30, it's only $15 for the rest of the year. And if you join after August 31, it's only $10. So in Kevin's case above, if he'd joined prior to his first event, it would have cost him $15, not $25. And then he'd have gotten the benefit of earning points in all those tournaments.

The purpose of requiring membership prior to the start of play is so you don't get the benefit of hindsight when deciding whether or not to compete in the series. Either you jump in not knowing how well you might do, or you don't jump in. It's kinda like playing a tournament. You don't get to play along and then decide after the first round or in the middle of the second round, "hey, this is going well, I think I'll pay my entry fee now so I can win something at the end of the day". You pay up front and take the gamble in a tournament...same with the series.

What Josh said.

[Titan Bariloni]

wow I did not know that Josh...should be a more well know thingy..guess it relates back to reading for info...

[Jeff Wiechowski]

OK, a few WeDGE members couldn't find Rick Williams at Kisco and are looking to join. For some reason the Charter is blocked at my work so I can't look to see if we included this.

- Are we going to allow them to earn points from the Kisco Klassic if they join now?

[Josh Connell]

Charter still says members must be current before the start of an event for it to count.

Aren't TDs and duly elected/appointed Board members authorized to accept membership dues on NEFA's behalf at tournaments? That's the way it used to be, at least. Not finding Rick before the start of the tournament shouldn't be an excuse for not joining/renewing, IMO.

[Titan_Bariloni]

There should be allowment for brand new to nefa members to get x time after to renew

I think i understand why the rule is that way

But I think the intent of nefa is should be gaining members
I have posted the why's before

I honestly don't think the intent of the rule really has any realistic impact anyways

[Chris Young]

The "Last 2 Rule" has been working fine for us here in GMDGC land. Want to join after the event, that's great, you can. Your last 2 events will count. Gives someone a chance to feel it out and see if they like it.

[Matt DeAngelis]

The "Last 2 Rule" has been working fine for us here in GMDGC land. Want to join after the event, that's great, you can. Your last 2 events will count. Gives someone a chance to feel it out and see if they like it.

I'm going to be pushing for this on Tuesday at our meeting. I think we should allow some grace period.

[Josh Connell]

The "Last 2 Rule" has been working fine for us here in GMDGC land. Want to join after the event, that's great, you can. Your last 2 events will count. Gives someone a chance to feel it out and see if they like it.

I'm going to be pushing for this on Tuesday at our meeting. I think we should allow some grace period.

Grace period for new members only, right? That makes sense for the reason Chris states: it gives people a chance to "feel it out'.

Renewing members really have no reason to "feel" anything out because they've done it before. If we need further justification for making it a new members only thing, consider it a perk for paying the extra $5 it costs new members to join.

[Matt DeAngelis]

Exactly. It would only be for new members. If you are renewing from a previous year membership, it wouldn't count.

[Jack Bradley]

Sorry to just be chiming in on this now. I was aware of this situation the evening before the event. Rick has, in past years, very graciously made himself available the morning of the Kisco Ice Bowl for re-ups and new members. I told our guys to seek him out the morning of the event to get square with NEFA. Not being able to find Rick is certainly not an excuse for not joining in time but I definitely intimated that folks would be able to join/renew that morning (frankly without having any assurances that they would).
I'm hoping to see a grace period extended to these players in the interest of NEFA inclusion and so I don't look like a dick (whether or not I actually am one is immaterial).

[Kenji Cline]

Rick was at the check in table taking nefa registration when I arrived. Wasn't very hard to find him. That being said i'm in favor of a 1 or 2 event grace period for new members to get past event points.

[Danny White]

While I am in favor of the 'grace period', if this proposal gets adopted, I have to figure out how to incorporate that into my program.
Will there be a time limit or just just the last two events, regardless of how many weeks ago they were played?

[Matt DeAngelis]

While I am in favor of the 'grace period', if this proposal gets adopted, I have to figure out how to incorporate that into my program.
Will there be a time limit or just just the last two events, regardless of how many weeks ago they were played?

Let's talk. This was just approved during our meeting tonight.

[Jeff Wiechowski]

While I am in favor of the 'grace period', if this proposal gets adopted, I have to figure out how to incorporate that into my program.
Will there be a time limit or just just the last two events, regardless of how many weeks ago they were played?

Let's talk. This was just approved during our meeting tonight.

I like the direction we're headed with this.

[Chris Young]

Nice work NEFA! I am willing to bet this generates even more members throughout the year which is GREAT!

[Danny White]

I now have the database set-up to accept the "Grace Period" rule.

However, I MUST be notified by someone (player, TD or REP) that the specific player needs the grace period applied. The system will not automatically go back and look for any previous events in which the new member participated. (There is no NEFA# to reference)

So, if you know someone that needs the 'grace period' applied, please make sure they contact me. Remember, the grace period only applies to newbies.

Thanks Ray and Jeff for letting me know
Ray - your Kisco Points are now in the totals