NEFA DISCussion

Why does the NEFA Points finals feel like any other tournament? The answer is simple...because it essentially is just another tournament. The only difference is that there are invites.

I would love to see the finals still have an invite system, but the season standings will be impacted by the finals. Still provide a payout for the season standings and provide a separate payout for the finals tournament. However, it would make finals more exciting and actually have a big impact, instead of just a regular tournament.

I would also like to see the point series structure change slightly, where 3/4 of the season is composed of events that have limited requirements (like we have now for the whole year). The last 1/4 of the season would be composed of elite tournaments where added cash is mandatory, multiple day events are the norm, and point factors are weighted higher. Then culminating in the finals event that determines the season champion.

Those all sound like great ideas Matt. How are you going to make it happen?

I'm not saying that this could (or shouldn't) be, or that it is good / bad, but - initially - this seems like a "system" predicated on quality and less on quantity moreso than the one we have now.

In most sports / games (that involve a 'series'), any 1 entity is equal to any other entity, i.e. a W in April IS equal to a W in August (contrary to the popular opinion of a LOT of baseball dummies). This places SOME worth on longevity, the 'long haul', etc. and has it's merits...as consistency IS a sought-after trait in sports...and should be included in the "measuring stick" of that sport. To have a "sliding scale(d)" system where the end of the season is worth more than the first part IS doable...just figure out all the pros and cons (and try to do this objectively ) before you dive into it.

In the end, I predict, they'll probably be 2 camps - one that likes it the way it is (more equal counting tournaments where the course is the difference) and one that likes a change (to end-load the system).

Karl

I like the idea of 1/4 of the events being weighted more heavily, and for those events to be ones in which there is mandatory cash/value added and multi-day formats are encouraged. I'm not as keen on the idea of restricting them to the end of the schedule only. I'm just picturing players deciding to enter the series fray late in the year and playing only those more heavily weighted events rather than playing various events all year, and it seems a little off to me.

I think that last 1/4 of events should follow the model of the current double points events in the sense that they are more or less scattered around the schedule. But I would certainly change the manner in which these heavily weighted events are chosen. Sorry state reps, but I'd suggest taking that responsibility away from you. Well, maybe not the responsibility, but the ability to determine the criteria used.

Over the years, there's been disagreement over how the 2X events get selected...some favored rewarding big events, some favored bolstering new events/courses, some favored a fair rotation. None are necessarily wrong, but I think in the context of the whole series, there should be uniform criteria for an event to be given extra weight compared to the rest.

Allowing those heavily weighted events to be scattered around the schedule also allows the TDs the freedom to choose their dates. I'm sure there are some events that fall on or around the same date every year for reasons beyond just "tradition". Park availability or other scheduling conflicts necessitate a tournament falling on a specific date each year. The Vineyard tournament, for example, has to happen before the tourist season gets going on the island, and that strikes me as an event that could meet particular criteria for being one of these bigger events. It'd be a shame to exclude it from consideration because it can't be scheduled at the prescribed time of year.

As to the idea of making the Finals have an impact on the final standings, I think that's a great idea. A simple way to do it might be to make it a 3X (or even a 4X) event. Doing that would still put a lot of emphasis on qualifying during the year, but would also reward the folks that play well at the finals with an opportunity to make big leaps in the standings. It would also be incentive for the top players in the standings to actually go and compete, rather than sit on their high finish and wait for Rick to mail them a check.

almost to the word x2

I would go a lil deeper and say yes to "big events scattered and more weight" but also give more weight to the "new" courses so they get love as intended by the now award of the 2x as in some cases(listed above by josh)
as a new course is a big challenge IMO as not many have played,conditions may be rough still,

this will define and allow both mentalities of the current 2x selection by reps and cater to both the needs of players/and courses needing love..truly holding to mission statement more

I also really like the "finals" being added to overall somehow..IDK logistics there could happen many ways

How about a smaller "Emerging course" series? Let's find out who can kick ass on newer, less developed, before played courses. Separate title, emerging course champion...

Great idea Matt, but I agree to scatter the premium events throughout the season, as many have long established dates/weekends.

Matt DeAngelis wrote:Why does the NEFA Points finals feel like any other tournament? The answer is simple...because it essentially is just another tournament. The only difference is that there are invites.

I would love to see the finals still have an invite system, but the season standings will be impacted by the finals. Still provide a payout for the season standings and provide a separate payout for the finals tournament. However, it would make finals more exciting and actually have a big impact, instead of just a regular tournament.

I would also like to see the point series structure change slightly, where 3/4 of the season is composed of events that have limited requirements (like we have now for the whole year). The last 1/4 of the season would be composed of elite tournaments where added cash is mandatory, multiple day events are the norm, and point factors are weighted higher. Then culminating in the finals event that determines the season champion.

Sounds almost like the FedEx cup on the PGA tour. The first 75% of events during the year could be the regular season, and the last 25% could be the playoffs. Anyone qualifying for the playoffs can mathematically win the title. The last event of the year (NEFA finals) is used to determine who wins the series.

And premier events don't have to be compromised. The Masters is still played in April, but it just has a higher point value.

this could also could work now as JDB mentioned (and yes my first thought was fedex tour..and I gotta admit was exciting to watch last year)

cuz we now have nefa dubz to get those late season players and still have a series for them to compete in

but I don't think it would work cuz not everyone could make every event of "playoffs"

now if ya had these "special events" staggered added with more weight and finals counting as an event...maybe just maybe say top4 in each division shoot it out a 2nd DAY after finals...in some shootout match play format based on overall finish to declare the CHAMP of each division

just thoughts

Titan Bariloni wrote:but I don't think it would work cuz not everyone could make every event of "playoffs"

I agree. That's why putting events into groups or stages might make sense. So that players only have to play 1 of 3 per stage in order to earn points for that portion of the series. If you play all 3 then your highest point earning is used.





Don't want to get too off topic from Matt's original post ... just throwing out an idea.

I like where the discussion is going.

Josh, part of the reason for having the tournament evaluation form, is to try and find the events that keep people coming back for more. At the same time, finding those events that lack something, and give them a mark to shoot for next time, hopefully trying to achieve the higher NEFA points series status.

I see everyone's point about spreading the wealth to include more of the season. I agree that some of the events that happen during the first leg of the season could be of the same caliber as the end of the year.

A lot of the tiered event structure will be clarified and discussed further through the year, and hopefully have something to be implemented next year. What about finals being included as part of the point series, where your championship may be contested by 5 different players? Could that be something that gets ratified at this point in the current season, and apply this year? What are peoples thoughts?

Whatever is decided, leave your calendar open for October 27th weekend, two weekends following NEFA finals.

The NEFA Points Series strives to combine excellent disc golf tournaments at courses in
and around New England into a tournament series. The NEFA Points season starts on
January 1 and ends on September 30th, with the Series culminating in a final stroke-play
tournament to be held October 13th or 14th at Horse Farm in Richmond, Rhode Island.
During the season, each course can host one NEFA Points event.

On the schedule both dates are listed, but in the charter it says"or". How and when will we know which date will be picked? Is one day pro and one day am? I've been looking around, but can't seem to find the answer anywhere. I have a wedding that weekend, so I'd like to know if it is worth trying to qualify for finals.

Hey Rob,

Right now the plan is to have Ams on one day and Pros on the other. I'll let Greggor elaborate further with the details.

Matt

Thanks for the quick response, Matt. Hopefully, it'll be announced fairly soon who is which day. The last time I was invited to finals, I had a wedding the same day. I really wish my friends would check the NEFA schedule before they plan these things.

Rob Walker wrote:Thanks for the quick response, Matt. Hopefully, it'll be announced fairly soon who is which day. The last time I was invited to finals, I had a wedding the same day. I really wish my friends would check the NEFA schedule before they plan these things.

Seriously!

AMs Saturday
Pros Sunday

72 both days?

And rough estimation of open invites...20ish?

Ty greg

72 both days. I doubt pros will have that many. Last year only 25 qualified. I think this year will have a few more.

Apologies in advance if this can easily be found elsewhere but: typically how many are invited from each division? What's the formula?

Jack Bradley wrote:Apologies in advance if this can easily be found elsewhere but: typically how many are invited from each division? What's the formula?

Here is a link to last years invitees. Should give you an idea.

viewtopic.php?f=47&t=8782

Sean McCabe wrote:

Jack Bradley wrote:Apologies in advance if this can easily be found elsewhere but: typically how many are invited from each division? What's the formula?

Here is a link to last years invitees. Should give you an idea.

viewtopic.php?f=47&t=8782

I take that back, that was just a list of qualifiers from last year.

Here is the finals results, probably a more accurate look as to how many will play from each division. However, I know they said they would be having pros on one day and ams on another. So could be more or less depending on qualifiers.

I feel like me being helpful is now just opening up more questions...

viewtopic.php?f=47&t=8937

Once the invites go out and the confimations/declines come back we'll be adjusting how many each division has to ensure a sellout. There's no set formula as to where the "unused" invites go but we'll try our best to get in most everyone that is qualified.

Greg Wintrob wrote:AMs Saturday
Pros Sunday

Just looking ahead to October to set up my calendar- Is this still the decided format? AM's on Saturday that is?

thanks.