Understable discs

[Derek DeCoste]

I've been using a surge elite X (148), avenger SS, and a beat up Gazelle as my turn over discs. Just curious what other people use for those long anhyzers?

[Eric Kevorkian]

Roadrunners, Valkyries, leopards, wraiths, ascents

Depends On your throwing style though.

[Angelo Mascia]

Sidewinder <3

[Dave Hickson]

Seasoned pearly orcs

[Dave Jackson]

Try an XL from Discraft in Elite X plastic.

Or a Leopard in Pro/Star plastic

Or a Trak from Vibram, in rubber of course

[Kevin Silvia]

Awesome. I finally sunk all my understable drivers in lakes & ponds, and so I need new plastic. I have been looking for the right turnover disc for months, this thread is great.

I was able to flip my champ Leopard before I sent it on its final flight last week! Somebody recommended the XL to me, but I thought he said Z plastic. I also had a Pro Orc that was just perfectly flippy, really helped my score a LOT. And then I sent it over the Buffumville dam on new 15 forevermore.

Also the Discraft Wildcat is pretty wild.

[Isaac Chaney]

David feldberg boss

[Shawn Mullen]

Beat version of your stable disc. My favorite turnover driver is a beat star teebird

[Karl Molitoris]

I think Shawn stated something that is "under appreciated" - that of throwing a "know entity" (what you normally throw / are used to throwing / have muscle and grip memory of) in a less-stable version. Tactile feel is very important, so why not throw just a few molds (same feel) that fly differently?

My bh rollers are wicked beat Nukes! Now Nukes are not normally really under stable...but they ARE if you throw them enough! Same (good / used to) feel - different result.

Karl

[Isaac Chaney]

I love my df boss,i get some HUGE anhyzer shots out of it, like 17 b to b @ bland, iv been giving my self 60ft birdie opportunities but I havnt got the bird yet! hopefully 1 of these days I'll just park it so I don't have to try so hard

[Todd Lapham]

That's a fun deuce to get.

As for understable discs, I'll 3rd beating in a stable disc that you use. You're more familiar with it and it typically doesn't get to be so understable that it's useless.

[Craig Cutler]

great throws but not good advice for someone who is transitioning from DX gazelles. Most of us noodle arms throw Sidewinders, Valkyries for longer turnover shots. Beat up tee birds and leopards for shorter turnovers. This advice is for a flat release throw. If your trying to throw massive anyhyzers for huge D, then maybe go to those wide rimmed long distance drivers, but you will be less accurate.

[Gary Cyr]

I'm not a fan of using anything that is really beat as my turnover disc. Being to reliant on a disc that can't be replaced is a negative to me. Let's say your turnover disc is an Orc it took you 3 years to beat in,..what do you do once it's gone? Find an understable mold you like off the shelf for turnover shots and all shots for that matter.

The exception to this might be mid ranges which most people typically use in softer plastics and tehy will beat in much faster.

EXAMPLE: I love Rocs. A Roc will fly one way off the shelf and then change it's flight characteristis as it ages. All of a sudden one day you decide the Roc you have been throwing stright just won't fly that way anymore. Then you start using it for different shots because it's completely different thean when you got it. Most good players I know have several different generations of their favorite mid range. however, in the end you still can have the same problem with replacing these discs.

Having said that my two main go to control drivers are an old CE Teebird and a CE Eagle which are not replacable

[Raymond W. Parrish]

Two of Innova's new offerings are fantastic US discs, IMHO, and I have much-more-quickly-than-normally adopted them to my bag. They are:
150g Champion Mamba (replacing 152g Champion Monarch)
150g Blizzard Dominator (replacing 150g R-Pro Katana)

[Patrick Barnett]

Beat teebirds, multiple beat pro wraiths, a few beat destroyers. New ones at the ready.

[Shawn Mullen]

I'm not a fan of using anything that is really beat as my turnover disc. Being to reliant on a disc that can't be replaced is a negative to me. Let's say your turnover disc is an Orc it took you 3 years to beat in,..what do you do once it's gone? Find an understable mold you like off the shelf for turnover shots and all shots for that matter.

The exception to this might be mid ranges which most people typically use in softer plastics and tehy will beat in much faster.

EXAMPLE: I love Rocs. A Roc will fly one way off the shelf and then change it's flight characteristis as it ages. All of a sudden one day you decide the Roc you have been throwing stright just won't fly that way anymore. Then you start using it for different shots because it's completely different thean when you got it. Most good players I know have several different generations of their favorite mid range. however, in the end you still can have the same problem with replacing these discs.

Having said that my two main go to control drivers are an old CE Teebird and a CE Eagle which are not replacable

Good pt Gary.

I've been throwing the teebird since I started playing so I have more than enough backups, even for the beat up ones. They have been cycling through my bag for a number of seasons now. I use them how you describe the rocs. i do that for mid ranges and high speed stuff too. I'm a fan of keeping the mold count down, I have a lot of discs in my bag but there are really only 5 or 6 molds in there. This is probably tougher for a newer player that doesn't know what they want to throw and are still trying out all kinds of different discs. And it doesn't help that there are a ton of new discs hitting the market all the time.

[Shaun LaForce]

great throws but not good advice for someone who is transitioning from DX gazelles. Most of us noodle arms throw Sidewinders, Valkyries for longer turnover shots. Beat up tee birds and leopards for shorter turnovers. This advice is for a flat release throw. If your trying to throw massive anyhyzers for huge D, then maybe go to those wide rimmed long distance drivers, but you will be less accurate.

[Jaxon Sheehy]

Leopards-

granted they aren't the longest option, but i'd rather come up short with the correct line than try some miracle shot.

...but if you want to try a miracle shot, check out the Gold Line Lat 64 Bolt- it's wicked fast (13) and very flippy. If you can already make a Boss go anny, then don't bother- but i'd say out of all the wasted discs i've bought for fun (just to test out and wind up trading away)- the Bolt was the biggest success.

i parked borderland hole 5 blue to white this year with it within 5 feet of the basket, and i'd say my average throw is usually shy of 300 feet. this thing just takes off-

but when it comes down to it, i usually throw an old SE Leopard.

[Titan Bariloni]

David feldberg boss

yeah for you maybe

[Isaac Chaney]

Not even true people! What did you think I was being a smart azz when I said a df boss.?? They really are understable..and just last weekend I played with an am at the hop head that was using it for just that...so if you cant use for a long range undrrstable then that's too bad...but you people are acting like I'm the only person that can do it..and your all wrong. And am was using it..AN AM!

[Mike Dussault]

Just like all Innova discs, they are inconsistent. I have had a DF Boos in the bag for well over a year, it is a stable Pig for me, use for forehand and hard left turn shots.

[Isaac Chaney]

Oh yes I remember you saying that Mike..is it full weight? I try to stay away from Max weights..I throw the 171. Also weirdly enough the Colors may have something to do with it..the yellow df bosses seem to be the most understable..which is what the am was throwing as well. I had a blue one a couple years back and I do remember it being crazy stable.

[Josh Connor]

Oh yes I remember you saying that Mike..is it full weight? I try to stay away from Max weights..I throw the 171. Also weirdly enough the Colors may have something to do with it..the yellow df bosses seem to be the most understable..which is what the am was throwing as well. I had a blue one a couple years back and I do remember it being crazy stable.

Agreed, I love my yellow Feldberg Boss that seems to be just the right amount of stable for all kinds of situations. Grabbed another at hop head to cycle into the bag.

[Josh Connor]

Not even true people! What did you think I was being a smart azz when I said a df boss.?? They really are understable..and just last weekend I played with an am at the hop head that was using it for just that...so if you cant use for a long range undrrstable then that's too bad...but you people are acting like I'm the only person that can do it..and your all wrong. And am was using it..AN AM!

hahhaa, I believe I am that "AM"...I just saw this and I am not sure how to feel and I dont appreciate your derogatory use of the term AM . I certainly use my share of sidewinders and other control drivers, but when it comes to boomers or when I want to lean into something and not worry about it flipping too much or knowing it will come back the oh so money yellow df boss is the way to go (Slightly beat in).

[Isaac Chaney]

Sorry josh! Lol I couldn't remember the name to your face! But I was using the word am like that to emphasize the fact that using the disk in that manner has nothing to do with throwing 600 feet or being a pro.

[Bobby Direnzo]

My pink Sidewinders go real far!!

[Dave Jackson]

My pink Sidewinders go real far!!

Yeah, into the woods

[Mike Cormier]

I agree with even the slight weight difference and even color having SOME affect but not as much.... I had 4 Nukes: 2 @ 174 one red, one green; the red one a little more overstable than the green; The other 2 @ 170 one green and one yellow; the yellow flippy compared to the green.....

On the other hand, I had said something like this to Jason and he quickly threw out there the "self-fulfilling prophesies" line... You think red or purple is more overstable you will make it that way....

They can both be true at times

As for a "noodle arm" looking for something to throw... I really do like star leopards or have just been turned on to the trak.... super soft plastic... umm rubber... They don't break in or wear out and I've thrown mine only 20 feet short of a Nuke....